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Quote from: Cryptmuster on August 29, 2022, 04:15:31 AM

Yesterday I saw a video on YouTube where the reporter says Usyk that Fury said that he would fight him for 500 million, Usyk just laughed. To this, he replied that he also wanted 500 million, and said that Fury was simply afraid of him. I don't like Fury as an athlete and as a person, he can refuse a rematch (as he did with Klitschko), citing mental problems, or something like that. Such a person does not deserve to remain invincible.

I have the complete opposite, I like Fury as an athlete and as a person. He openly talked about his problems he was having (some years ago); is humble and always nice to watch during conferences. In the ring, he is simply the best and there is no doubt in my mind, if the fight would go through, that Fury will win it.

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So this fight is most likely to happen after Fury agreed to a 50-50 purse split. Despite all the talking Fury is doing, I appreciate him for accepting the purse split which most people are expecting that he deserves a little more share as he's got more fans and the market. I like this fight to happen in a neutral location like the Middle East to avoid biased officiating.

I'm surprised to see the early odds. I thought I could see Usyk at 3.0. If it goes 3.0 then I will bet on Usyk. Fury is technical and fast but not as fast and technical as Usyk. Fury does have a huge size and reach advantage. And it's also near impossible for Usyk to stop Fury.

Meanwhile, David Haye mentioned Fury's ability to struggle against small good heavyweights. He did struggle a bit against the quick-moving but light-punching Cunnigham.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 30, 2022, 02:45:34 PM

You must be joking? If you look not at the greatest boxers but at slightly less great ones, then you will see that the "greatness" of many consists of a series of promoter tricks such as endless dodging of strong opponents (or simply uncomfortable ones) and other "strategies" that allow you to have in the Defeat column either zeros or very small numbers. Boxing is big business, don't think that it leaves brands at the mercy of chance.

Boxers have different fighting styles. Some prefer to be calculated-aggressive, while some prefer to be defensive to avoid being landed on strikes for the sake of judges scoring. Some trainers really train them to have their set of techniques to have the upper hand of the game. You mentioned endless dodging. While it is not really pleasant to watch a match full of dodging attempts from the opponent, it's one of their key to avoid punches for overall tally. It might be viewed as cowardice, but it is essential for them.

Although of course, a boxer must be able to land combination of powerful jabs too and not just be defensive all the time, dodging the opponent's attack. A balance combination of aggressiveness and defensiveness will help them achieve their goal which is winning. Because if a boxer will carelessly throw punches consecutively, he will end up being tired at the beginning of the game and that will be an advantage to the opponent's side. However, if a boxer will just keep on avoiding punches, but not throw powerful punches to his enemy, he will not accumulate a great score either. So, it should be a mixed balance of both to win the score of the judges and to win the heart of the audience as well.

You completely misunderstood me. I did not mean the tactics of the fight, but the tactics of choosing opponents. Haven't you ever heard that boxers (and not only them, but also other fighters, for example from the UFC) dodge uncomfortable opponents under various pretexts? Even Fury, who is now praised by everyone, shied away from a rematch with Klitschko.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 29, 2022, 04:16:26 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 29, 2022, 11:41:16 AM

Fury is a dirty athlete, but such is boxing - if there are no real great champions, then you have to make them from what is. If you remove Usyk, Fury, Wilder and everyone who is at least something different and bright, then the promoters will start to sculpt a new "great champion" out of someone. This conveyor should not stop and the public should get what they want. The public wants epic fights and "great" champions. If there are no worthy ones, then they will be made from types like Fury.

Fury may be dirty but he gets the job done when you're a veteran in the ring you'll know all the tricks in the book and you'll try to do it as long as you are not caught, promoters don't build up great champions it's the trainers that do this, they are with their boxer in the ring and training camp to see that their boxer is doing great, promoters only do match up and motivate boxers with their offer of money and the public expects great fights from the cards the promoters have build up.

You must be joking? If you look not at the greatest boxers but at slightly less great ones, then you will see that the "greatness" of many consists of a series of promoter tricks such as endless dodging of strong opponents (or simply uncomfortable ones) and other "strategies" that allow you to have in the Defeat column either zeros or very small numbers. Boxing is big business, don't think that it leaves brands at the mercy of chance.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 29, 2022, 11:41:16 AM

Fury is a dirty athlete, but such is boxing - if there are no real great champions, then you have to make them from what is. If you remove Usyk, Fury, Wilder and everyone who is at least something different and bright, then the promoters will start to sculpt a new "great champion" out of someone. This conveyor should not stop and the public should get what they want. The public wants epic fights and "great" champions. If there are no worthy ones, then they will be made from types like Fury.

Unfortunately it's true. You know, at least he looked athletic, like Wilder or Joshua or like many champions before them, there can see that they work hard on themselves, and Fury just big with chubby sides. He's definitely strong and has a good punch, but calling him invincible is to mutch...

Quote from: YuginKadoya on August 29, 2022, 03:45:12 PM

Did you see the latest fight of Oleksandr Usyk against Anthony Joshua, he can surely evade those powerful punches that come from Joshua, then I think he surely knows how to dodge a punch from Tyson Fury as well, if you saw Usyk in his fight against Joshua, Oleksandr Usyk is a volume puncher, he doesn't have those killer punch but he surely has that dominant footwork, in evading Fury's punches, and can retaliate a punch of his own,

Of course, I watched this fight and even reviewed it twice (when watching the replay, I got the same adrenaline).

Yes, Usyk will be able to dodge Fury's punches, but Fury is a dirty fighter, he can hit from the clinch or on the back of the head, it's normal for him, but if this fight does happen, then Usyk will have to defeat this dishonorable fighter!

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There have been 25 votes in the poll:

Fury to win: 20
Usyk to win: 5

At the moment 80% of the votes are for Fury to win but surprisingly there have been 20% votes in favour of Usyk. They have shown faith in Usyk but I think they will be unwilling to place a bet for him to win because he will be facing Fury in the ring Grin

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on August 29, 2022, 03:45:12 PM

His undefeated alright but he doesn't have that power on his punch like Anthony Joshua, or Tyson Fury, but he got the speed to simply put a beating to Tyson Fury, and Oleksandr Usyk is sometimes getting into a safer fight, he surely avoids most of the punches and the speed for a Heavyweight,

Imho, Usyk has few power than current top heavyweights, because he is originally created to become an Olympic boxing champion. You dont see lots of knockouts during olympic games. Instead we see speed and 3*3min fight. Usyk is trained to score, not to knock out.

I am 1000% sure that his game plan in a fight against Fury would be throwing 4 punches on every punch Fury throw. I have though before and checked, but is Fury ready to keep the fight in such high temp, as Usyk impose him. I believe Fury will get exhausted faster than Usyk.

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Yesterday I saw a video on YouTube where the reporter says Usyk that Fury said that he would fight him for 500 million, Usyk just laughed. To this, he replied that he also wanted 500 million, and said that Fury was simply afraid of him. I don't like Fury as an athlete and as a person, he can refuse a rematch (as he did with Klitschko), citing mental problems, or something like that. Such a person does not deserve to remain invincible.

Fury is a dirty athlete, but such is boxing - if there are no real great champions, then you have to make them from what is. If you remove Usyk, Fury, Wilder and everyone who is at least something different and bright, then the promoters will start to sculpt a new "great champion" out of someone. This conveyor should not stop and the public should get what they want. The public wants epic fights and "great" champions. If there are no worthy ones, then they will be made from types like Fury.

Fury may be dirty but he gets the job done when you're a veteran in the ring you'll know all the tricks in the book and you'll try to do it as long as you are not caught, promoters don't build up great champions it's the trainers that do this, they are with their boxer in the ring and training camp to see that their boxer is doing great, promoters only do match up and motivate boxers with their offer of money and the public expects great fights from the cards the promoters have build up.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on August 26, 2022, 09:51:28 AM

The fight between Fury and Usyk ain't gonna be where popcorn is served. It's gonna be hot. It's like two elephants fighting. If Usyk is going to destroy Fury, he should learn a.s.a.p how to evade those powerful wide blows. Once fury traps him into a corner, he ain't going to see where the punches come from. Usyk is very skillfull however and it is coupled with the fact he is much more aggressive than Joshua that made him win. With his skill, pace and aggression I doubt he could win Fury. That guy is a mountain of aggression himself.

Did you see the latest fight of Oleksandr Usyk against Anthony Joshua, he can surely evade those powerful punches that come from Joshua, then I think he surely knows how to dodge a punch from Tyson Fury as well, if you saw Usyk in his fight against Joshua, Oleksandr Usyk is a volume puncher, he doesn't have those killer punch but he surely has that dominant footwork, in evading Fury's punches, and can retaliate a punch of his own,

Quote from: Shamm on August 26, 2022, 10:39:27 AM

This is a good match up in heavyweight division as we all know that these two fighter is undefeated and very strong but in this fight as I observe the most favorite fighter is no other than Tyson furry, and yes we all know how he plays so without a doubt many people or gambler will support his fight but I think this is not an easy one for Tyson furry beacause his opponent USYK is undefeated and a hood record in his career too. So this will be a good and exciting fight.

His undefeated alright but he doesn't have that power on his punch like Anthony Joshua, or Tyson Fury, but he got the speed to simply put a beating to Tyson Fury, and Oleksandr Usyk is sometimes getting into a safer fight, he surely avoids most of the punches and the speed for a Heavyweight,

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Quote from: Cryptmuster on August 29, 2022, 04:15:31 AM

Yesterday I saw a video on YouTube where the reporter says Usyk that Fury said that he would fight him for 500 million, Usyk just laughed. To this, he replied that he also wanted 500 million, and said that Fury was simply afraid of him. I don't like Fury as an athlete and as a person, he can refuse a rematch (as he did with Klitschko), citing mental problems, or something like that. Such a person does not deserve to remain invincible.

Fury is a dirty athlete, but such is boxing - if there are no real great champions, then you have to make them from what is. If you remove Usyk, Fury, Wilder and everyone who is at least something different and bright, then the promoters will start to sculpt a new "great champion" out of someone. This conveyor should not stop and the public should get what they want. The public wants epic fights and "great" champions. If there are no worthy ones, then they will be made from types like Fury.

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Quote from: Baofeng on August 28, 2022, 09:58:56 PM

I saw this on my feed,

Report: Fury-Usyk Targeted For February, Super Bowl Weekend, In Middle East; 50-50 Purse Split ‘Is A Given’

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According to Mark Kriegel of ESPN, the heavyweight title unification bout between WBC champion Tyson Fury of England and WBO, WBA, IBO and IBF champion Oleksandr Usyk of Ukraine may air on the same weekend––or the week after––of the NFL’s 57th Super Bowl, with the Middle East as the "most likely" location for the fight.

Kriegel, citing unnamed sources and conversations with Bob Arum, the head of Top Rank which promotes Fury, sounded a note of optimism about the chances for seeing the historic match-up, especially because, according to Kriegel, there does not appear to be any disagreement regarding the purse split for the fighters. An Usyk-Fury fight would have to be televised by ESPN, as the network has an exclusive broadcasting arrangement with Top Rank

https://www.boxingscene.com/report-fury-usyk-targeted-february-super-bowl-weekend-middle-east-50-50-purse-split-given--168679

And they have negotiated now? But let's see, it's on the week of the biggest sporting event in the US, although the venue of the fight will be in the Middle East.

So I'm not sure how it will sit up with their fans who want to watch the fight at least live. Nevertheless, their is PPV so it could be the best options for US fans.

Usyk is very lucky to have this fight in a 50/50 split purse, Fury is demanding a lot for this, it's good that Usyk is not tied to any promoters that will hinder for the fight to be possible, I'm surprised how easy it has become but this is still a negotiation unless the contract is signed nothing is done deal yet, changes can still happen, the good thing is both fighters have the desire to unify the title whoever wins here is the greatest fghter of this generation, although already Fury is now the greatest British heavyweight champion.

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Yesterday I saw a video on YouTube where the reporter says Usyk that Fury said that he would fight him for 500 million, Usyk just laughed. To this, he replied that he also wanted 500 million, and said that Fury was simply afraid of him. I don't like Fury as an athlete and as a person, he can refuse a rematch (as he did with Klitschko), citing mental problems, or something like that. Such a person does not deserve to remain invincible.

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Quote from: Welsh on August 26, 2022, 06:27:43 AM

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In case someone will start "Fury is to big and Usyk is to small, and he is a cruiserweight" - Usyk has same height and weight as Muhammad Ali

Usyk is even a bit heavier than Mike Tyson. I hope that will stop all talks about Usyk being not real heavyweight. Real huge heavyweight boxer is Nikolai Valuev.

The great example of future Fury vs Usyk fight will be Ali vs Foreman fight. I might even say that it could be a copy of that old fight, but on higher speed.

That might be true, but Fury is massive. Not the typical heavyweight which is something that should be highlighted. Fury is not only a absolute massive guy, he's fast, and quite agile for someone his size. Honestly, he's quite agile for heavyweight let alone his size.

Fury has the physical advantage, and that shouldn't be underestimated, especially since like I mentioned before, Fury really does use that to his advantage in his fights. He likes to lean on his opponents, and Usyk hasn't really had that whilst he's been in the heavyweight division. I'm not even sure why Joshua didn't do it.

I know only one massive boxer - Nikolai Valuev. He was as huge as Fury, as strong as Fury, but slow as sloth. I am actually shocked that Fury is able to fight for 12 rounds and his gas tank isnt empty after first half of the fight. Indeed Fury likes dirty boxing to make his opponent exhausted. That would be hard to do against Usyk, as I think Usyk will try to ran away from that. Or, which most probably would happen, Fury will simply use his reach advantage 216cm, against Usyks 198cm. Fury can poke Usyk with jabs and every jab of a man that size really hurts.

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I saw this on my feed,

Report: Fury-Usyk Targeted For February, Super Bowl Weekend, In Middle East; 50-50 Purse Split ‘Is A Given’

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According to Mark Kriegel of ESPN, the heavyweight title unification bout between WBC champion Tyson Fury of England and WBO, WBA, IBO and IBF champion Oleksandr Usyk of Ukraine may air on the same weekend––or the week after––of the NFL’s 57th Super Bowl, with the Middle East as the "most likely" location for the fight.

Kriegel, citing unnamed sources and conversations with Bob Arum, the head of Top Rank which promotes Fury, sounded a note of optimism about the chances for seeing the historic match-up, especially because, according to Kriegel, there does not appear to be any disagreement regarding the purse split for the fighters. An Usyk-Fury fight would have to be televised by ESPN, as the network has an exclusive broadcasting arrangement with Top Rank

https://www.boxingscene.com/report-fury-usyk-targeted-february-super-bowl-weekend-middle-east-50-50-purse-split-given--168679

And they have negotiated now? But let's see, it's on the week of the biggest sporting event in the US, although the venue of the fight will be in the Middle East.

So I'm not sure how it will sit up with their fans who want to watch the fight at least live. Nevertheless, their is PPV so it could be the best options for US fans.

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STEP ASIDE ‘Tell that dosser to get to the back of the queue’, says Tyson Fury in response to Deontay Wilder saying he wants title fight (with Usyk - my note)

Dumb-headed Fury admitted that he is in queue (like other contenders) to fight Usyk Grin

Now it will be difficult for him to negotiate a fight from the position “I am great and undefeated, therefore accept my conditions”, since it is obvious that Usyk is no less in demand and can negotiate at least on an equal footing. I think that this is a big failure of Fury's management - the long tongue of the blockhead played against himself.

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It can be difficult to understand why Fury does the things he does and says the things he says making it difficult to work him out but most probably Fury will always be on the lookout to get in the ring for a unification fight to make the big money and then will get out. Fury does not come across as the sort of person that will box for years to come therefore he will need other activities to keep busy and keep the money rolling in.

Has it been confirmed though about a reality show and deal really been signed with a broadcasting company? I think if it did go ahead both Mr and Mrs Fury will be very much at home having camera crews around them Grin

Quote from: Welsh on August 25, 2022, 08:03:25 PM

I guess he's setting up his life after boxing, and considering how he's been quite vocal about his life without boxing, and how it affects his mental health, I think looking for an alternative or something to keep him occupied is a good thing.

I'm not against the show, I just want to see the fights. Joshua, and Usyk ideally, and then he can drive off into the sunset, and do whatever show he wants. I just don't want to be robbed of not knowing who's best for definite, even though I'm a firm believer that Fury is the best of this era.

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Quote from: Welsh on August 26, 2022, 05:21:23 PM

Usyk is good, but he hasn't been tested enough for me. Honestly, Joshua to me was the easiest route, and this second fight wasn't as dominant as the first. So, I have quite a lot of confidence in Fury getting the win.

I guess Usyk will have a harder journey if it was Wilder whom he fought, Joshua caught him with some clean shots but he was able to stand, so the power of Joshua is not that strong compared to Wilder IMO.

I'm not sure if it's official, but according to the site below, Tyson Fury is heavily favored, so we can tell what the public are thinking about this fight.

https://www.covers.com/boxing/oleksandr-usyk-vs-tyson-fury-odds

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Tyson Fury -280 Oleksandr Usyk +220

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Quote from: coin-investor on August 26, 2022, 08:29:49 AM

Fury is a new breed of heavyweight, there's no heavyweight in the past that was as huge and as fast and as agile as Fury he can in fact considered as a super heavyweight who moves like a lightweight.

Funny that you say that, since a lot of people claim the same for Usyk. Although, for me Fury is the superior technical boxer, but I know a lot of people will argue against that. It's easy to look a bit clumsy when you're bigger, and to be honest Fury does a good job of it, and is very technical. I think his large size takes away from that a bit at times. Plus, he does have a history of trying different tactics.

Usyk is good, but he hasn't been tested enough for me. Honestly, Joshua to me was the easiest route, and this second fight wasn't as dominant as the first. So, I have quite a lot of confidence in Fury getting the win.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on August 26, 2022, 08:41:41 AM

The question is not whether he is afraid of him or not, but in the ratio of what is at stake in the battle. Let's say Fury beats Usyk - what difference does that make for Fury who wants to go undefeated as a grand champion? Nothing since everyone will say that he won due to more weight. What happens if Usyk wins? It will be a complete disaster for Fury and the destruction of his entire legacy. Therefore, he is ready to take such a risk (even if it is small) only for very big money. In my opinion, from the point of view of game theory and the risk/profit ratio, this is the right decision.

I highly agree with you, Fury wanted to have a bigger share of the pie, well all boxers wanted to have a bigger share especially when he is higher in ranking. Though I don't think Fury has nothing to gain if ever he defeated Usyk. Defeating Usyk will strengthen Fury's legacy.

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One of the heavyweights who uses his weight by leaning against his opponent is Lennox Lewis, he has done it in so many of his fight, and this tire his opponents, if you're big and you know how to use that advantage the guy who is smaller than you are is in big trouble, something Joshua did not or failed to do in the two matches against Usyk.

Watch the fight again, Usik just dodged and immediately tried to drop the AJ from himself, so this trick does not work against Usik. The threat from Fury in close combat is such that he tries to hit from the clinch, look how many times he did it in a fight with Wilder. For me, there is no clear favorite in this fight, I can’t say that Fury will win because he is bigger or heavier, Usyk is hard to get into, he knows how to dodge well.

Well, if this is so (Usyk good at dodging), then the more exciting the fight will be. It is indeed a strategy of Fury to throw punches during clinch but I think Usyk will have an advantage in this since Usyk is shorter and needed a shorter distance to throw and hit his opponent as long as the hands of Usyk is on the right place to throw short punches during clinch.

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Quote from: coin-investor on August 26, 2022, 08:29:49 AM

One of the heavyweights who uses his weight by leaning against his opponent is Lennox Lewis, he has done it in so many of his fight, and this tire his opponents, if you're big and you know how to use that advantage the guy who is smaller than you are is in big trouble, something Joshua did not or failed to do in the two matches against Usyk.

Watch the fight again, Usik just dodged and immediately tried to drop the AJ from himself, so this trick does not work against Usik. The threat from Fury in close combat is such that he tries to hit from the clinch, look how many times he did it in a fight with Wilder. For me, there is no clear favorite in this fight, I can’t say that Fury will win because he is bigger or heavier, Usyk is hard to get into, he knows how to dodge well.

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