Topic: [ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK sponsored by Utopia - page 6. (Read 7775 times)

Who puts the most bums on the the seats? Fury, right? Even if you're a Usyk fan I'm sure you can admit that Fury has the most following. Now, whether or not he's the better fighter remains to be seen, but considering how popular Fury is I can see why he does get the majority of the share. Usyk doesn't seem like the person to squabble over money too much though, so I expect if both parties genuinely want this fight, there won't be any money issues.

I can't help, but hope Fury clears the division first by beating Joshua, and Usyk. If he loses, I can't see him stopping either. He's had problems with not being involved in boxing in the past, and that could play into his decision to retire. Which, unfortunately means he'll probably rack up a few losses in his career towards the end.

I guess the contention is that it's Fury's home town, so he is the one bringing fans to the sit in Wembley and so deserves more than tha 50/50 split and should be treated as the A-side.

I do agree that probably they wanted more money from the Saudi investors, they know they can deliver that huge amount just to bring the fight in the Middle East. And we all know how greedy they are, or shall we say wanting to maximized the profits for this biggest fight in Heavyweight in the last 5 years or so. And if that Middle East deal didn't push, obviously London will the fall back plan.

I think The Ring was already awarded to the Usyk-AJ rematch winner after Fury announced his retirement earlier. It was premature for The Ring to decide knowing Fury's personality who's always bluffing and talking but well, can't blame them either. Luckily, the WBC didn't vacate the title right away. Anyways, it makes sense that the purse should be 50/50. Who cares about the location, it will fill stadiums anywhere. This fight is historic as this will be the first-ever heavyweight undisputed fight in the 4-belt era. And the last time there was an undisputed heavyweight was when I was a kid wherein Lennox Lewis defeated Evander Holyfield.

Arum should just fuck off. Fury already mentioned last year that he accepts a 50/50 split. If there is someone that can be a little greedy and can even demand a little increase of the share if in case the fight happens in Wembly, it should be Usyk since he's not getting a neutral venue and has been exploited by the judges there when he fought AJ twice.

If I understand correctly, Fury holds the WBC and The Ring whereas Usyk holds the IBF, WBA and WBO belts therefore only for the sake of a unification fight both boxers should go for a 50/50 split as they deserve it. They both got to this stage of their careers by being excellent in their skills and technique after making a lot of sacrifices hence i have no issues with the split regardless of where the fight takes place.

Why should Fury receive more of the split if the fight takes place in London but receive an equal share if it takes place outside the UK? The fight will be sold out if it were to take place in literally any arena in the world therefore Fury deserves no extra privileges as not does Usyk. That is my opinion.

Fury is not exactly young therefore if he achieves his goal of being unified champion (and becomes even wealthier in the process), he has got everything he ever wanted therefore changing career and retiring would not be such a bad thing if he can just make that step. I doubt he will fight Joshua because he already stated he will never fight him most probably because he could have him in December but ended up fighting Chisora when Joshua refused to get in the ring with Fury.

I think Fury should seriously think about retiring after the Usyk fight regardless of who wins or if he beats Usyk as expected he should make just one defence of his unified belts before retiring as undisputed heavyweight champion.

My guess is that they've already got the contracts done and dusted but are trying to milk the max amount of money from Saudi for the fight so that's what's causing the delay. This fight can of course take place in the UK and I'm betting they have a venue already reserved but they know they're not going to get anywhere near the amount the middle east will offer so are trying for that with the UK to fall back on. If there's a rematch maybe they will decide to do that in the UK 'for the fans' as they say (i.e. when Saudi isn't interested haha).

Uysk will probably want the fight in Saudi as well if what Arum says is true that Usyk doesn't deserve a 50/50 split if the fight is in the UK: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-11641261/Bob-Arum-says-50-50-purse-split-not-right-Tyson-Furys-title-fight-Oleksandr-Usyk.html


I don't think he will retire. He's already tried that a few times and said he doesn't know what else to do without boxing. Maybe he will retire from pro boxing and just do some crossover matches or big one off money fights but I still think he as a few fights left in him. There's Usyk, Joe Joyce and everyone still wants to see the AJ fight which I think will probably happen at some point but likely when both are past their prime. The AJ fight is still probably the biggest UK fight to make so both parties will want it. AJ just needs a couple of wins under him and I'm sure he will be fighting some bums soon enough then we'll likely start hearing rumblings of making that fight happen.

So here's what Arum has to say as far as the venue and purse split goes, He said that he is waiting for the offer from Saudi Arabia investors to bring the fight to the Middle East, I'm sure this is the same set of investors that have been putting and bringing fights that involves Heavyweight matches in Saudi, so that is their first option. If there is no offer or if they deem the offer not acceptable then they second option is UK.

However, one stumbling block is the purse split, Usyk wants 50-50, but Arum insists that his boy Fury should get the lion share if the fight is going to be held in Wembley stadium as obviously this is Fury's home turf and will be the one bringing all the fans into the arena.

Source: Arum: Usyk Wants 50-50 For Fury Fight; That's Not Right If Their Fight Is At Wembley

Hearn knows Joshua has lost his star power and it will not be coming back. Put it this way, who does Joshua have to beat before he can be taken seriously as a contender or champion? The way I see it, Joshua never recovered from the brutal defeat he suffered at the hands of Ruiz.

I expect Fury to defeat Usyk and the retire. I expect Usyk to lose to Fury and then retire. I expect Joshua will win his next fight then make a lot of noise about wanting to fight Fury but it will not happen and he will retire. Things could turn out different though 

Joshua had the opportunity to fight Fury a couple of months ago but refused even though Fury wanted to get him in the ring. Joshua knew his career was over if he was beaten by Fury therefore he could not take the chance. After all, Fury was WBC champion and Joshua lost his titles to Usyk.

I think having a rematch clause and then a fighter activating it will mean (for me) Fury beating Usyk twice.

I would take that with a pinch of salt. I've lost count of how many times I've heard promoters say they're aiming for three fights in a year and then you get just the one or even zero. Pretty sure Eddie Hearn has said that about AJ for as long as I can remember and he's only fought once a year for the past three years. I'm sure in their head they want three fights to happen as that's pretty much the max a big fighter can do and obviously the more fights the more money in their pocket but as we can see it never works out that way. Just remember this post when we're in 2024 and lets see how many fights AJ and Fury have. I'm sure we'll get at least one each but I'd be very surprised if we get much more than that and certainly not three each. I'd expect three fights combined between them. With that being said, maybe we will get lucky as AJ needs a one or two tune up fights before he even considers someone like Fury and I suspect that's a big reason why that fight fell through as you'd just be throwing AJ to the wolves at that point.

There may not be a rematch clause as someone has to lose the belts in this situation but they may change their mind depending on the outcome of the fight and how well it does financially. If it's a huge money spinner and Abu Dhabi are willing to put up another chunk of cash for it don't be surprised if we see them go again. I could see either fighter wanting a rematch if they lose unless it's a very bad loss and they'd rather just move on. Of course there's mandatories that could throw a spanner in their plans as well. Personally I think I'd rather them just have the one fight then move onto other things.

Speaking of maybe three fights when it comes to rematch clauses, Fury and Warren are looking to have three fights on 2023 which means (according to media reports) back up your comments that there will not be a rematch clause when Fury takes on Usyk.

It seems as though Fury wants to fight Usyk and after that face Joyce who happens to be mandatory challenger for the WBO belt. The final boxer for the third fight has not been mentioned but Joshua has been ruled out.

As much as I admire Usyk for his technical skills and boxing brain, I cannot see him beating Fury by way of knockout or TKO. If Usyk wins it has to be on a points decision and it will probably not be a unanimous one because the judges will end up messing it up similar to awarding Wilder a draw against Fury in their first fight. Still, it is a boxing ring with two brilliant boxers fighting for a place in sporting history therefore anything can happen and either could win.


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Well rematch clauses are usually put in by the champ as a failsafe if they lose but they both have belts in this case so they probably don't need one, though both will likely want a chance to win their belts back should they lose. I'm sure if it's a good fight or even a close one people will want to see it again so they can probably easy make it again anyway. On the flipside both Fury and Usyk may not want to rematch if they win as there will be bigger fights and other belts to win so they might not want to be contractually obligated to go again so it's a catch 22. Rematch clauses can be annoying when they're forcing fighters to have two and sometimes even three fights which just holds the entire division up for a year and sometimes even more.



They probably have a venue provisionally locked down i.e. they've spoke to a London Arena or Dubai and can pencil in a date when the venue is empty/free so they have something to work with. That's how these things usually work but the venues can't keep themselves reserved for ever so that's why they need to get things done and dusted and then sign with the venue as well.

The WBC belt belongs to Fury and they cannot push him to fight their number one contender or threaten to remove his belt because he already fought in December. The issue of potentially losing belts is down to Usyk he holds several of them but in order to avoid mandatory number contenders for each belt he needs to fight soon. If they do not get the fight agreed to take place by March or April there could be issues where the WBO forces Usyk to fight their number one contender and at the same the WBA could do the same.

Usyk needs to get this contract issue sorted out soon before things start to complicated to the point where he could be stripped of some of his titles before he fights Fury. We want to see the winner of the fight being crowned undisputed heavyweight holding all the unified titles.

Usyk tweeted something to Fury earlier. It seems like he remained fit during the long holidays. I bet Belly gained a lot of weight after the long holidays. Weird it's the side of Fury that wanted a March date. Fury will be burning some of his fats in order to be a little quicker in order to catch Usyk.



Meanwhile, the IBF already canceled its mandatory order for Filip Hrgovic's title shot which means Usyk is now free to fight Fury without losing his IBF belt. I haven't heard yet from the WBA, WBC, and WBO but most likely they will do the same. AFAIK the WBO also has its interim champ Joe Joyce who's supposed to be next too but apparently, Joyce is also promoted by Frank Warren the same promoter of Fury, it should not be a problem I believe.

To my knowledge there has been no announcement about the fight contract being signed. All that has happened has been Fury and Usyk both saying they agree in principle to fight each other next with an estimated date to be March 2023. The last I read was the Fury team had sent a contract to the Usyk team and it was being considered ( and that was two days ago).

Wait...What...The contract isnt signed yet? And this fight is only a talk right now? I thought they have a date and a place already. Then it will take months of talking, months of preparation, AJ might get involved again. Brrr... We might get another half a year or year without an interesting heavyweight boxers challenge. I think we are far away from this fight to happen. But, if this fight really happens, I believe Fury would just crash Usyk with his mass. Usyk would land more, but will get more damage. It will be either a doctors stoppage or UD by Fury.

Hopefully the deal can be finalised and they can sign an actual contract soon.

Both of them want to get in the ring and take each other on. They both know what is at stake here and they are both willing to whatever it takes to get a chance at becoming undisputed heavyweight champion.

I did not read anything about a rematch clause being added to the contract but they are fairly standard practice nowadays and are inserted in to almost all contracts. For both fighters, it makes sense to add it.

As for judges, you only have to look at what happened when Fury fought Wilder for the first time. Granted Fury the canvas and seemed to be on the verge of losing before miraculously getting up and dominating the fight for final couple of rounds but Fury should have been way ahead on all three scorecards yet it was awarded as a draw.


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Looks like the fight is one step closer:

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1296818/tyson-fury-draft-contract-oleksandr-usyk-frank-warren/


Yeah, you can't afford to leave it up to the judges these days as they often have terrible opinions or biases come into play. I think this could be a really boring fight and if Fury doesn't get a KO I could see Usyk winning it on points due to him being very defensive and those sorts of fights can often get them the win. I'm sure Fury knows this but it's not going to be easy to get the KO. Fury could tire him out with this size and weight advantage though. I wonder if there will be a rematch clause?

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I agree, I am fairly sure Easter will have nothing to do with a decision by Fury with regards to training and the fight date. I am not so sure about Usyk but still am confident if he has the contract on his table, he will sign in whether it is Easter or anything else.

After watching Fury go the distance on a couple of occasions recently, a points win could potentially be on the card but the danger with points decisions is that you never know if scorecard judges are even assessing and awarding properly. If either boxer clearly deserved the win but end up in a draw or dubious victory for the clear loser, then it will become very messy. I would like to see both boxers going for it but overall I think Fury will win before 12 rounds.

Devout Christian lol. The only church Fury will be going to every Sunday is the gym. Or the pub, but not during camp.


I don't think it has to happen in March that was just the date they had pencilled in. If both parties know that a deal is practically done and it's just ironing out the kinks they might already start camp soon without the contracts being fully done. You don't need more than 3 months so once xmas and New Years are done with they'll likely both be hitting the gym. It's probably just some small things that need sorting regarding the contracts.


Fury on points. I don't think Usyk will get anywhere close to knocking out Tyson but he could win it on points but I wouldn't pick that outcome. The only trouble with this fight is I think it could be a boring one. Usyk is like Mayweather in that's he's a great boxer and very good defensively but not that exciting to watch.

Well, Fury and Usyk are superstars in this sport. At their level, they are the ones giving the final say, or their promoters might have problems retaining them once their contracts are done. They are too valuable that every promoter just wants to satisfy their demands.

I am just very confident that this fight is not happening in March. April onwards are the most feasible dates. If Canelo Alvarez won't fight in Cinco de Mayo due to his injury, then early May is a perfect date for this megafight.