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We will not see eye to eye on this therefore better to move forward Grin

Fury vs Usyk - if the fight goes ahead, in your opinion who will win and in which round?

Quote from: KTChampions on December 28, 2022, 03:26:20 PM

But Fury was running from Klitschko. It seems to me that he is afraid of Usyk and is not opposed to "drag out" the deadline for holding the decisive battle as long as possible. The fact that he offered Joshua seemed to me initially something frivolous - how could Joshua, after the second defeat from Usyk, agree to a fight in such a short time? It was unreal and everyone knew about it.

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Quote from: JollyGood on December 28, 2022, 08:54:45 AM

I doubt Fury will run from any fight.

Let us not forget he chased Wilder for the fight to happen even though Fury himself was not in the best shape of fitness and then he chased and compromised on every level to try to fight Joshua but Joshua did not sign the contract citing all sorts of excuses. After that, in order to keep fit he ended up fighting Chisora.

The Usyk camp have to make a decision of they want to fight Fury. If Usyk does not agree to a fight with Fury he will have to face a mandatory challenger or will have to surrender his titles.

Quote from: KTChampions on December 27, 2022, 11:01:12 AM

11 months have passed between Usyk's fights with AJ, so if we take an analogy, we can assume that the Usyk-Fury fight can take place even in July and it will be "normal". In any case, I hope Fury will not run from Usyk and we see this fight in a reasonable amount of time. But even May or March 2023 seems so far away now Sad

But Fury was running from Klitschko. It seems to me that he is afraid of Usyk and is not opposed to "drag out" the deadline for holding the decisive battle as long as possible. The fact that he offered Joshua seemed to me initially something frivolous - how could Joshua, after the second defeat from Usyk, agree to a fight in such a short time? It was unreal and everyone knew about it.

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I doubt Fury will run from any fight.

Let us not forget he chased Wilder for the fight to happen even though Fury himself was not in the best shape of fitness and then he chased and compromised on every level to try to fight Joshua but Joshua did not sign the contract citing all sorts of excuses. After that, in order to keep fit he ended up fighting Chisora.

The Usyk camp have to make a decision of they want to fight Fury. If Usyk does not agree to a fight with Fury he will have to face a mandatory challenger or will have to surrender his titles.

Quote from: KTChampions on December 27, 2022, 11:01:12 AM

11 months have passed between Usyk's fights with AJ, so if we take an analogy, we can assume that the Usyk-Fury fight can take place even in July and it will be "normal". In any case, I hope Fury will not run from Usyk and we see this fight in a reasonable amount of time. But even May or March 2023 seems so far away now Sad

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Quote from: KTChampions on December 24, 2022, 08:30:24 AM

I would rather believe that Fury will arrange an alcohol/cocaine marathon than that the Christian holidays will interfere with his preparation Grin

In general, I will be happy even if this fight takes place in April or May - it is in any case better than seeing another garbage fight. I didn’t watch the fight with Chisora even in highlights.

I think it will take place between March 2023 and May 2023. Maybe at the very latest it will be June 2023 but that is it. Can they really delay the fight beyond June 2023?

11 months have passed between Usyk's fights with AJ, so if we take an analogy, we can assume that the Usyk-Fury fight can take place even in July and it will be "normal". In any case, I hope Fury will not run from Usyk and we see this fight in a reasonable amount of time. But even May or March 2023 seems so far away now Sad

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Quote from: KTChampions on December 24, 2022, 08:30:24 AM

I would rather believe that Fury will arrange an alcohol/cocaine marathon than that the Christian holidays will interfere with his preparation Grin

In general, I will be happy even if this fight takes place in April or May - it is in any case better than seeing another garbage fight. I didn’t watch the fight with Chisora even in highlights.

Longer preparation in such a great fight like this is an exception because we are witnessing another big history in boxing once again this time. This will be another chance for both of them to prove to the world who is the most outstanding boxer in their weight division. We don't want any less than that because no one can really manage to defeat these guys right now and that has been proven already they really need to clash inside the ring just before they get retired.

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Joshua could have taken on Fury instead of watching Chisora do it but it seems he did not want to risk losing three consecutive fights. Fury pushed hard to make the fight happen and willing to make compromises but in the end it did not take place and now will probably never take place now. I put the blame at the Joshua camp for that.

A 70/30 or 60/40 split of the purse should be accepted by boxers in regular fights but both will probably end up with a 50/50 share here. The larger the purse the larger the share for each boxer therefore neither should be complaining. One holds the main WBC belt and the other holds the remaining belts.

Quote from: Baofeng on December 26, 2022, 04:57:42 PM

Well the first stumbling block is that Usyk wanted to take a rest after his Joshua fight and so the original schedule of December that Fury is pitching went to Chisora. But once this year is over, first quarter of 2023 will be a good schedule and again, this fight should be in British soil.

So yeah, probably between March-May and hopefully there will be no more delays as we have been waiting for this unification fight.

Fury the A-side getting the lion share of the purse, and Usyk and his team should agree to that.

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Quote from: JollyGood on December 23, 2022, 05:30:52 PM

I think it is just hype if they are giving deadlines by which the fight must take place otherwise it will never happen. If the two boxers (Fury and Usyk) decide to have the fight it will take place whether it is before or after 4th March 2023. As for the Middle East as a probable venue, it will take place where the money takes it, that is usual is business.

Creating a sense of urgency huh? It is a nice marketing strategy since it can easily get the boxer fans' attention. Looks like now or never thing, i bet lots of boxing fans fall to this deadline of the promoter of Usyk, beside, it looks like the fight is really about to happen since they are looking for a possible host country atm. I bet they will prefer the Middle East because of the huge profit result of the recent matches that choose to host the fight in that region.

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Quote from: JollyGood on December 26, 2022, 01:18:27 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on December 24, 2022, 05:40:52 AM

This fight is not happening in early March. Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang. This means we need at least 3 months excluding the days of negotiations. I believe serious talks will only resume after the New Year as well. If an agreement, especially the major details are sealed in early January then we will expect this unification to happen in April. This fight is going to be huge no matter the location. I prefer a neutral venue though to be fair with Usyk. Middle East countries are most likely the ones with better offers unless Bob Arum will try to bring this fight to the US.

There is nothing to suggest Fury will avoid having the fight in and around March 2023. How devout exactly is he? It was mentioned earlier that Usyk was a religious person but seriously we are talking about multi-million pay days for both boxers therefore how much longer will they be able to delay the fight that all boxing fans want to see? If a promoter insists on it taking place in March or April and offers the money, the boxers and their teams will oblige whether they are religious or not.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on December 24, 2022, 05:40:52 AM

Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang.

I would rather believe that Fury will arrange an alcohol/cocaine marathon than that the Christian holidays will interfere with his preparation Grin

In general, I will be happy even if this fight takes place in April or May - it is in any case better than seeing another garbage fight. I didn’t watch the fight with Chisora even in highlights.

I think it will take place between March 2023 and May 2023. Maybe at the very latest it will be June 2023 but that is it. Can they really delay the fight beyond June 2023?

Well the first stumbling block is that Usyk wanted to take a rest after his Joshua fight and so the original schedule of December that Fury is pitching went to Chisora. But once this year is over, first quarter of 2023 will be a good schedule and again, this fight should be in British soil.

So yeah, probably between March-May and hopefully there will be no more delays as we have been waiting for this unification fight.

Fury the A-side getting the lion share of the purse, and Usyk and his team should agree to that.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on December 24, 2022, 05:40:52 AM

This fight is not happening in early March. Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang. This means we need at least 3 months excluding the days of negotiations. I believe serious talks will only resume after the New Year as well. If an agreement, especially the major details are sealed in early January then we will expect this unification to happen in April. This fight is going to be huge no matter the location. I prefer a neutral venue though to be fair with Usyk. Middle East countries are most likely the ones with better offers unless Bob Arum will try to bring this fight to the US.

There is nothing to suggest Fury will avoid having the fight in and around March 2023. How devout exactly is he? It was mentioned earlier that Usyk was a religious person but seriously we are talking about multi-million pay days for both boxers therefore how much longer will they be able to delay the fight that all boxing fans want to see? If a promoter insists on it taking place in March or April and offers the money, the boxers and their teams will oblige whether they are religious or not.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on December 24, 2022, 05:40:52 AM

Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang.

I would rather believe that Fury will arrange an alcohol/cocaine marathon than that the Christian holidays will interfere with his preparation Grin

In general, I will be happy even if this fight takes place in April or May - it is in any case better than seeing another garbage fight. I didn’t watch the fight with Chisora even in highlights.

I think it will take place between March 2023 and May 2023. Maybe at the very latest it will be June 2023 but that is it. Can they really delay the fight beyond June 2023?

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Quote from: inthelongrun on December 24, 2022, 05:40:52 AM

This fight is not happening in early March. Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang. This means we need at least 3 months excluding the days of negotiations. I believe serious talks will only resume after the New Year as well. If an agreement, especially the major details are sealed in early January then we will expect this unification to happen in April. This fight is going to be huge no matter the location. I prefer a neutral venue though to be fair with Usyk. Middle East countries are most likely the ones with better offers unless Bob Arum will try to bring this fight to the US.

I would rather believe that Fury will arrange an alcohol/cocaine marathon than that the Christian holidays will interfere with his preparation Grin

In general, I will be happy even if this fight takes place in April or May - it is in any case better than seeing another garbage fight. I didn’t watch the fight with Chisora even in highlights.

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This fight is not happening in early March. Tyson Fury I believe is a Christian devout and he will celebrate Christmas and the New Year with a bang. This means we need at least 3 months excluding the days of negotiations. I believe serious talks will only resume after the New Year as well. If an agreement, especially the major details are sealed in early January then we will expect this unification to happen in April. This fight is going to be huge no matter the location. I prefer a neutral venue though to be fair with Usyk. Middle East countries are most likely the ones with better offers unless Bob Arum will try to bring this fight to the US.

Quote from: JollyGood on November 03, 2022, 08:49:26 AM

Do you think Fury (if he wins against Chisora) will be unable to ready to fight Usyk in March 2023? It will be the biggest pay day of his life and it will be an opportunity to make history by joining an elite few by unifying the belts.

Quote from: inthelongrun on November 03, 2022, 07:17:04 AM

Most championship-level fighters can only fight a maximum of 3 times a year. 4 fights are possible only when they stopped their previous opponents easily in the early rounds without receiving damages in return.

Usyk just fought last August 20 against AJ for 12 full rounds. Let's say a month of full rest and relaxation while at the same time negotiating a Fury fight. Usyk then needs another 3 months from light training up to the full training camp. Tyson Fury knows his December dates bluffs aren't feasible unless Usyk is willing to give more advantage to the WBC champion.

Usyk called Fury scared upon knowing that Fury pushes thru a December fight with a different opponent. Because it hampers the realistic proposed date which is the first quarter of next year. Although Fury cherry-picked an unranked Derek Chisora, I bet he will be needing time to heal his body if his opponent can manage to win at least 5 rounds in the judges' scorecards.

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I think it is just hype if they are giving deadlines by which the fight must take place otherwise it will never happen. If the two boxers (Fury and Usyk) decide to have the fight it will take place whether it is before or after 4th March 2023. As for the Middle East as a probable venue, it will take place where the money takes it, that is usual is business.

Quote from: lionheart78 on December 23, 2022, 02:47:31 PM

A unification bout always makes sense. This caters to a lot of interest and speculation that fuels the game regardless of who is fighting. They target the middle east because many fights in that region are profitable. It was also stated in the article I shared in bumping this thread. Hopefully, both camps will come to an agreement else, if the fight doesn't happen before March 4, 2023, the promoter of Usyk, Krassyuk stated that the fight will never happen.

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Quote from: JollyGood on December 23, 2022, 06:43:10 AM

Surely the Fury vs Usyk fight makes sense over anything else and if the boxers want it they will sign the contracts soon to end the speculation.

A unification bout always makes sense. This caters to a lot of interest and speculation that fuels the game regardless of who is fighting. They target the middle east because many fights in that region are profitable. It was also stated in the article I shared in bumping this thread. Hopefully, both camps will come to an agreement else, if the fight doesn't happen before March 4, 2023, the promoter of Usyk, Krassyuk stated that the fight will never happen.

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The pair are set to face each other on a date between February 18 and March 4 next year with Krassyuk claiming that if the fight is not made by March 4 then it will never happen.

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I was not aware Abu Dhabi was in the frame was a potential venue. When I mentioned the Middle East as a possibility I was thinking on the lines of Saudi Arabia because they have hosted two Joshua fights there.

Regardless of where the possible venues are touted, there would be no better place for Fury to have it than the UK at a football stadium such as Wembley or Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. If Usyk had a choice he would choose a neutral venue therefore any place except the UK. I think the rematch clauses will be inserted therefore two fights should be guaranteed to take place but the winning bid for the venue should implement a clause of their own to ensure they stage the rematch should the losing fighter invoke it.

Bob Arum has been talking as usual saying the boxers have agreed to fight therefore that is a good sign.

Quote from: hilariousetc on December 23, 2022, 08:21:03 AM

Even if there wasn't a war going on it's very unlikely to be held in Ukraine. These mega fights are usually either in the UK, US, or the middle east. When you've got a big British fighter the logical place is to do it in the UK so you can have that massive gate and inf ront of fans, but the middle east also practically being in the same time zone is another option since they often pay 5x the amount they'd get elsewhere and that makes up for the loss in ticket sales. Fury can't go to the USA yet either unless he gets his visa situation sorted so this fight will either be in London or Abu Dhabi. Given the amount of money Fury is gonna be wanting the latter seems more likely. They should probably try get two fights sorted and both parties will probably want a rematch so do one home and abroad.

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Quote from: JollyGood on December 23, 2022, 06:43:10 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on December 22, 2022, 06:04:27 AM

It'll almost certainly happen. They seem to have agreed terms in principle and now just have to decide on the venue/county. It's the biggest fight for both of them and I think it's the first time in 20 years that the opportunity to become undisputed champion has been there so they'd be stupid to not get this fight over the line. I'm sure they're trying to wrangle as much money out of the Middle East as possible which is probably the only reason pen hasn't been put to paper yet. The only thing that could hold it up is both fighters mandatory bouts which will be enforced if they don't get this thing signed and officially done soon. I don't think either party will be as stupid to throw away this opportunity over greed.

The fight will go ahead because as you said neither party will be stupid to throw the opportunity away. If they want to maximise sentimental value it stands to reason Usyk would want it to take place in Ukraine but looking at it logically that would be almost impossible. If the boxers want to get the largest possible share of the purse the fight will probably take place in the Middle East. I think it is inevitable, Fury vs Usyk will go ahead in 2023 without either boxer being forced in to mandatory bouts elsewhere.

Even if there wasn't a war going on it's very unlikely to be held in Ukraine. These mega fights are usually either in the UK, US, or the middle east. When you've got a big British fighter the logical place is to do it in the UK so you can have that massive gate and inf ront of fans, but the middle east also practically being in the same time zone is another option since they often pay 5x the amount they'd get elsewhere and that makes up for the loss in ticket sales. Fury can't go to the USA yet either unless he gets his visa situation sorted so this fight will either be in London or Abu Dhabi. Given the amount of money Fury is gonna be wanting the latter seems more likely. They should probably try get two fights sorted and both parties will probably want a rematch so do one home and abroad.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on December 22, 2022, 06:04:27 AM

It'll almost certainly happen. They seem to have agreed terms in principle and now just have to decide on the venue/county. It's the biggest fight for both of them and I think it's the first time in 20 years that the opportunity to become undisputed champion has been there so they'd be stupid to not get this fight over the line. I'm sure they're trying to wrangle as much money out of the Middle East as possible which is probably the only reason pen hasn't been put to paper yet. The only thing that could hold it up is both fighters mandatory bouts which will be enforced if they don't get this thing signed and officially done soon. I don't think either party will be as stupid to throw away this opportunity over greed.

The fight will go ahead because as you said neither party will be stupid to throw the opportunity away. If they want to maximise sentimental value it stands to reason Usyk would want it to take place in Ukraine but looking at it logically that would be almost impossible. If the boxers want to get the largest possible share of the purse the fight will probably take place in the Middle East. I think it is inevitable, Fury vs Usyk will go ahead in 2023 without either boxer being forced in to mandatory bouts elsewhere.

Quote from: Welsh on December 22, 2022, 09:58:32 AM

I'm sure the promoters are hashing out their terms right now, and we'll probably get a lot of talk from Fury's side about how the fight isn't going to happen, and Usyk is taking his time. You know, the usual. I imagine then they'll be more fighting talk, than the banter we've seen recently. Potentially from both sides as Fury starts to annoy Usyk.

It has to happen either that or the Fury vs Joshua fight. No other fights make sense, especially with these fighters being at the tail end of their career.

With the Fury vs Usyk fight being the biggest opportunity for all involved to make phenomenal amounts of money, that is the fight that has to go ahead. Fury was going all out trying to get Joshua in the ring but after losing to Usyk twice it would have been a huge mistake for Joshua to fight Fury and risk losing three consecutive fights.

Surely the Fury vs Usyk fight makes sense over anything else and if the boxers want it they will sign the contracts soon to end the speculation.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 22, 2022, 06:15:18 PM

^^ I would rather see this fight being made in England though, money wise it will be the best decision for Usyk as well. Of course, he wanted it to happen in his country, but there are going to be problems infrastructure wise that in doesn't make sense for promoters to push for it.

It is not just the infrastructure problem that is hindering the fight in Ukraine, the war is still ongoing and if Usyk says he wants the fight to take place in a war zone he is just out of his mind Cheesy

. Financial wise, GCC countries like Saudi and UAE is a good option as they are willing to spend huge amount for these fights to happen and then England is the best spot as this is the most anticipated fight in boxing and a money grab for everyone involved.

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^^ I would rather see this fight being made in England though, money wise it will be the best decision for Usyk as well. Of course, he wanted it to happen in his country, but there are going to be problems infrastructure wise that in doesn't make sense for promoters to push for it.

And most likely it could happen next year, after Usyk has healed and then Fury already rested from his tune up fight against Chisora.

Hopefully negotiations is still alive in this one, because the hype is obviously amongst us to see this unification fight.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on December 22, 2022, 12:10:42 AM

Bumping this thread discussion rather than creating a new one, because there is another USYK-Fury fight discussion roaming around

I had no idea there was another thread, I was not focused on the boxing after the fight that was supposed to happen did not transpire and Fury went off to fight Chisora after Usyk stated he was not going to fight until early 2023 at the earliest.

Quote from: lionheart78 on December 22, 2022, 12:10:42 AM

According to the news[1], Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk location teased as promoter gives promising fight update. The fight is planned to happen if both parties agree on a date between February 18 and March 4 next year. They plan to hold the fight on one of the three middle eastern countries because of huge payout.

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Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk’s representatives are currently in talks with three Middle Eastern countries about hosting the proposed heavyweight unification clash in 2023. According to Usyk’s promoter, Alexander Krassyuk, Wembley and Cardiff are also in place as backup options

If the fight won't happen until March 4, Krassyuk claims that if the fight is not made by March 4 then it will never happen.

Hopefully, this news is not a hopium for fans. It has been long awaited for these two giants to have a unification fight but one way or another the fight never happen and this time I hope the two camp agreed to get it on.

It is the fight boxing fans want to see because unification bouts do not come along frequently. Where there is money there will be a way to find solutions and I am sure the fight will happen because both fighters are at the very near to end of their careers and would want to retire as unified champion.

Quote from: yazher on December 22, 2022, 03:10:12 AM

This is, of course, the right decision for both of them because they cannot literally fight currently in Ukraine because it may gonna be their worse nightmare if Russia decided to fire a missile in that stadium in the midst of their intense exchanges. Considering their popularity in the middle east, I'm sure it would be a good decision and safe compared to what Usyk wants. It would be a blockbuster there, especially since it's a unification bout for these two, and also Fury once again wants to prove himself he can beat anybody in the weight division.

It is understandable why Usyk would want the fight to take place in Ukraine but in practical terms there is no chance it will go ahead there. Fury should try to push to have the fight in the UK but we will see the drama unfold over the coming days.

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Quote from: Welsh on December 22, 2022, 09:58:32 AM

I'm sure the promoters are hashing out their terms right now, and we'll probably get a lot of talk from Fury's side about how the fight isn't going to happen, and Usyk is taking his time. You know, the usual. I imagine then they'll be more fighting talk, than the banter we've seen recently. Potentially from both sides as Fury starts to annoy Usyk.

It has to happen either that or the Fury vs Joshua fight. No other fights make sense, especially with these fighters being at the tail end of their career.

But it seems that Usyk is not being affected by Fury's action in the public?

Usyk standing his ground, he will take his time and if this fight is going to happen, it will obviously happen next year. There are talks that it should be in Ukraine, but I doubt it. Yeah, next biggest fight is Fury vs Joshua, again, it might have lost the luster of a all British showdown because Joshua lost to Usyk, but still though, there are a lot of money going to be made here so both sides should consider it as well for next year.

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