Topic: [ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK sponsored by Utopia - page 5. (Read 7762 times)

It's pretty hard to figure out what he needs. However, he said once he accomplished his biggest goal, nothing meant much after that. Now, I think that's actually quite a common thing for people who achieve their life long goal. However, he did go down the extreme end of things, this is probably due to having a lot of money, and the ability to use that money for drugs etc. That's what probably threw him off the rails a little bit. I think he's doing a lot better these days, and seems to appreciate his wife even more so than he did, which is lovely to see.

However, there's no telling if he's going to struggle once he has to retire, and he'll probably need another goal from something he enjoys doing. Seriously, when something becomes your identity, and you kind of lose it, that's incredibly hard to recover from. I really hope he does find peace after he retires, and I'm hoping he retires undefeated. However, only Tyson can decide that, and as I've said before I feel like he'll probably run it into the ground, like most undefeated fighters. They fight a little too long unfortunately.

I don’t understand why I should watch some fights if I remember how Fury was running from Klitschko and now it looks like he is running from Usyk? 
By the way, do you remember the fight with Wallin (left-hander) which was like a training one but Fury couldn't knock out his opponent and hung in the balance from a technical defeat starting the third round due to a cut? Obviously Usyk is more dangerous.

But with promoters it's kind of a parasitic industry. If the fighters don't fight then they don't get paid anything and if it's between something or nothing then they'll take something but they will want the most amount of cash possible. There's no way someone like Frank Warren is going to want Fury to fight Dillian Whyte when AJ is potentially on the cards but Tyson seemed to not care about that but rather take the easier fight. Not sure why but the fighter will have the last say in things unless they're tied into a contract to deliver x amount of fights within a certain time frame or something. I don't even get why big fighters even have promoters these days. They're probably vital for getting into the game but once their initial contract is up and they've built a fanbase/audience then they should probably just go at it alone like Mayweather did. Tyson doesn't need to be giving 10-20% away to anybody now.


I don't think there's anything to suggest they're trying to build up to it right now, but I think it will happen at some point despite Fury saying he doesn't care about it. It's still going to be one of the biggest UK fights ever and if they end their careers without fighting each other I don't think they'll ever live it down or stop hearing about it. It probably makes sense for AJ to get back on his feet with a few wins and maybe even win a belt back so there's something on the line for the fight though. Doesn't really make sense for either Tyson or AJ to keep fighting bums when they can fight each other and get what will possibly be the biggest payday of their career.

The fighters also get 0% if they don't make the fight happen. So, there's equal incentive either way really. Promoters might only get 10-20%, but at the end of the day if they can push those numbers up their share gets bigger, therefore there's an incentive there for them to try, and get as much as they can.

Fighters just typically want to fight, and are already rolling in the money. I guess you could say the same for promoters though.

It makes me think that they're trying to build a mega fight, but that doesn't really make much sense since it's already one of the biggest events in boxing. I've wanted that fight for years, I don't care if Joshua has racked up some losses recently, I just want that fight to happen. Usyk, and Fury I'd like to see, but if I got to pick between the two it'd be Joshua. I know some think Usyk is technically better than Fury, but I don't really see that. Instead, I think Fury finds it easier than the Joshua fight. Assuming, that Joshua goes back to his old ways, and doesn't try to outbox Fury like he did with Usyk.

Ultimately, I just want the fights to happen. I feel boxing has lost a lot of support over the years simply because the fights that need to happen, don't actually happen.

All this fat is like an additional shield for Fury. Compared to other, big or fat heavyweight boxers, he is faster. I doubt that fat gives him any kind of discomfort or bothers him. Fat does not interfere him to fight against Wilder, it wont interfere him to fight Usyk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4USznqQGG4 <-- I think fat helped him a bit to decrease damage from such body shots. Body shape - that is the least thing I look at in heavyweights. Rarely we see a kidney or liver knockouts among heavyweights.

I also think that his fat body is part of his mental strategy. I believe his opponents are a bit furious when a fat guy beats them, or moves as fast as they, who spend hours in gyms.

As to Usyk, he has been in good shape because his is a natural cruiserweight. Usyk is currently lighters heavyweight. Same weight heavyweights were in 50s-70s (like Rocky Marciano). For example regular person of that age was much smaller than regular person of 21 century.

Fury does need the boxing ring for now but it is a mental battle. As soon as he realises he is not as dependant on the boxing ring as thought he would be able to walk away. He is in mid-30s now therefore even he knows he has not got more than maybe 3 fights left but more likely two.

That is not a done deal yet. If the fight does go ahead then it could literally be anywhere because it would sell out any venue. I am not confident it will take place in the Middle East.

I have to agree here. Usyk throughout his career has been taking care of himself but most of the time Fury gets in the ring to face an opponent he does look like he trained well and is in a good place because his physique shows it. I doubt Fury, his team or his fans will be worried by the time he gets in the ring.

I dunno about that. Promoters probably only get 10-20%, right? If the fight doesn't happen then they get 10-20% of zero so the promoters probably just want the fight to happen rather than trying to greedily squeeze a little extra out of it and risk it falling through. In the AJ/Fury potential fight it looked like Warren was desperate for it to happen and was doing everything he could to try make it so but it was Fury putting silly arbitrary deadlines on it and then he pulled out when in reality they probably could have made the fight if they'd been given time. Hearn seemed like he wanted the fight also, or at least publicly he was very keen. The only issue I could see if is they were worried another loss - which would be likely - would further damage his brand. Dazn may have played a part in that also given they signed him on a huge deal, though I'm sure they would have been happy to show that fight it would not have been in their favour given it was a Tyson Fury promotion.



Yeah, it's probably one of the biggest issues in boxing today. Rather than try sort the fights out publicly and through the media they should probably just work them out in private and behind the scenes and then only announce them when the contracts are signed. For instance, if Fury wants to fight AJ he should have their respective promoters just get the contracts done now without any chat in the media and then once they're done and dusted then announce it. You don't even have to fight next or straight away just get the contracts done for a fight at the end of the year or something.

Not sure if that's the case. If you look at the biggest fights in the last five years, Fury has been the headliner for them. I can't remember the last time Joshua or Wilder were in big fights that didn't involve Fury. Joshua's fight against Ruiz was only a big deal, because Joshua unexpectedly lost. If it wasn't for him losing that, Ruiz wasn't really a massive name before that. A good fighter, but a massive name he wasn't.

Joshua has basically been fighting the same fighters over, and over for the longest time. Usyk is relatively new to the division, but obviously did have some relatively big fights before moving to heavyweight.

I think it's even worse - Fury, under various pretexts, will try to avoid Usyk for as long as possible (hoping that someone else will defeat him, for example, Wilder). I wrote such assumptions before, but I did not think that they would come true so accurately. Fury the coward was running from Klitschko and now he is running from Usyk. I think there can be no serious talk about the "greatness" of this doping addict.

The amount of money that's expected to be generated from this fight is one that can only come from no where but the Middle East and the organisers of the fight understands this so well. And these deep pocket owners in the East don't mind pulling out their resources for a big fight as that.
You may call it greed on the side of the organisers but that's what  it entails for them to keep being in business, cause fighting has gone beyond just entertainment.

The thing is, even if Usyk doesn't want a whole lot of money himself, his promoters likely will. I usually tend to think that the promoters are the one's that prevent fights from happening instead of the actual fighters. Although, there's been multiple accusations in regards to Fury holding up deals, including Joshua. So, there might be some merit to it.

I never really pay too much attention to it though, as there always seems to be these kinds of problems in negotiations, and the majority of them never get resolved. Unfortunately, it's us fans that lose out. One of the reasons I don't get to involved with boxing is because you'll get excited for a fight, and it'll never happen, even though it probably is the only logical step forward for both fighters.

Looks like it's Fury being greedy holding this fight up and Usyk called him out for it earlier:


https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-oleksandr-usyk-news-29029780



https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/oleksandr-usyk-tyson-fury-boxing-29046693

If Fury walks away from this then I'm going to lose a lot of respect for him. He's probably trying to squeeze as much money out of this as he can get rather than just take the already ridiculously huge deal that will be on the table. Seems Tyson's promoter is now mentioning Joe Joyce as another opponent. Tyson can fight him after that.

^^ For sure, it's all about money and that's why at least on Arum's side, they keep on mentioning Middle East as their first choice because of the huge money they are going to get from their Saudi investors. Eddie Hearn already knows that as he has stages fight in Saudi already, so it make sense for this greedy promoters to strike while the iron is hot as this oil rich country's billionaires are willing to shell out huge money for this kind of fight. And maybe in the next 5 years or so, it will be the venue to held mega fights because of this reasons.

Tyson did a couple of interviews during the Eubank/Smith fight last night and one thing that surprised me is he's still very interested in that Francis fight which I thought he might try dismiss since he's got so much else potentially going on. Maybe they actually almost got the fight done behind the scenes when they were hyping it up but Francis' UFC situation was blocking it: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-francis-ngannou-fight-29018572


Fury has been settled down with wife and kids for years and was married at 18 or 19 before he was even a pro boxer. He needs more than a wife and kids in his life as it seems like he needs a reason to get out of bed in the morning and do something productive because if he doesn't have something to work towards it seemingly consumes him and depression takes over and he falls back into bad habits (though I guess that's also true for most of us).


Well that's what they want as that's where the money is. I just hope the promoters aren't getting too greedy because this fight should have been done and dusted ages ago and we all know that Saudi wanted it as they publicly said so and had already made an offer for the fight last year but Usyk wanted the rest of the year off after the AJ fight and to spend Christmas and new years with his family which is understandable.

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12790589/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-venue-the-only-issue-for-heavyweight-unification-bout-says-bob-arum


That screams to me that it's now just about the money.

Being heavy means the footwork and hand speed will be slower. Tyson Fury knows how to use his weight and adjusts when necessary. It is true that he cannot be quicker than Usyk but adding a little quickness helps. There were reasons why Tyson Fury went lighter than his usual weight against the smart yet slower Wladimir Klitschko because he needs his lateral movements and quickness to outmaneuver the long-time champion. Tyson Fury went heavier than usual in the 2nd and 3rd fights against Deontay Wilder because the American is not fast enough and the impact of those killer blows will be minimized by the added weight.

Usyk is not the usual heavy-handed fighter so I am liking Fury to come in at 250-260 pounds.

If Fury loses a little fat, then this is unlikely to help him compare with Usyk in terms of speed, at least approximately. Usyk has always maintained a good shape, this should be done by every professional. And Fury does not know what he wants, then he decides to end his career (and it is clear that in this case for him hard to find motivation for intensive training), but an athlete must always keep himself in good shape, although we are talking about Fury, he not particularly worried about it.

Fury calling out Usyk,

https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/status/1615424370553327634

Lol, him calling Usyk "Rabbit" is funny as hell, as as Frank Warren co-promoter of Tyson Fury,


https://www.boxingscene.com/frank-warren-on-fury-usyk-news-pretty-imminent-now--171941

I'm banking that this fight is going to be in Middle East? the money is there to be make if Arum And Warren can pushed the fight in Saudi Arabia and probably that's what they have done in this fight, I reckon.

What you guys think?

I don't know about that. I don't think it's being clever or not. It's just boxers, and in general combat sports athletes tend to go on a little longer than they probably should. Call it a love for the game or whatever, but there's been a lot of examples. Even the greats, like Mike Tyson probably went on longer than they should have. He even returned for a exhibition probably because he misses boxing.

Fury has already had withdrawal effects from boxing when he wasn't doing it, and has said that he needs to train to keep himself sane. So, he might find that retiring for real, might have that effect on him again. I know he's apparently retired since then, but that was mainly talk in my opinion.

If I recall correctly, Fury even offered 60/40 or 50/50 to Joshua to fight in December therefore money cannot be the main factor here. Both boxers are fighting the clock, they are not getting any younger and would like to get their name in the history book.

I believe Fury is from the north of the country and most definitely not from London but having the fight anywhere in the UK would be a sell-out and most of the public in the stadium would be rooting for Fury. Having said that, does it really mean he deserves more than 50% share of the purse, I am not sure about that.

The reality is Fury is far bigger a name than Usyk or Joshua or any other heavyweight and without a doubt he can use his popularity to his advantage. I think he is far too clever to get beaten before he retires, I see him refusing to fight Joshua but if it happened and belts were on the line it would be good for British boxing but probably a very bad day for Joshua as it will be another defeat.

Fury seems to have a settled down life with his wife and kids therefore I cannot see him spiralling out of control after he retires. The problem with fighters approaching mid-30s is that they can get complacent and suffer shock losses. Fury will not risk it, I mean if he beats Usyk does he really need to fight again? Yes any Fury vs Joshua fight would sell-out but in the end does Fury need it especially if he is holding the belts and Joshua has none?

Maybe Fury can control himself and have motivations as well as discipline outside of a life away from the boxing ring. He deserves it after dominating in and off for many years.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1306658/yson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-fight-update-frank-warren-negotiations-location-date/

Frank Warren keeps popping up on Talksport and it seems to me it's a done deal now other than trying to wrangle the most amount of money out of Saudi for it:


He's not young but he's not exactly old either and I'd say he's still in his peak right now but the as the years pass that will quickly dwindle. AJ is still one of the biggest fights for them both so that's why he will want it and it's something British fans have been calling for for years. It's a guaranteed sellout and blockbuster event. I'm pretty sure it would even do more PPV buys than the Usyk fight. Tyson may or may not retire but most boxers end up fighting well past their prime. They either need the money or just can't seem to let it go (and is self-admittedly the case with Tyson). What else is he going to do? Just train others? Maybe, but boxing gives them motivation and discipline and without it they become lost and easily fall into bad habits.


Fury would sell more tickets in the UK for sure but it still takes two to tango. I'm not sure Usyk would be happy if they've already agreed to 50/50 and then Tyson's camp tries to wrangle some more money out of it just because it's in the UK. They both have belts so neither fighter is the A-side other than maybe how large they measure their potential respective fanbases but not sure how they do that other than looking at PPV buys and tickets sold etc.