Topic: [POOL][Scrypt][Scrypt-N][X11] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com - page 203. (Read 465769 times)

working now.
last updated over 1:30h ago though.

I should have fixed the error now.

over a week now, below 0.01btc/MH/day.

now that's what i call a bad luck streak.

If a coin that is made to be mined, is destroyed by said mining, then that coin was poorly written and didn't deserve to be around. There are enough shitcoins floating around without any innovation and are no more than copy/paste's of other coins that suffered the same fate.

I know this is more work for you, but for the sake of transparency what about creating a new category.  In addition UnExchanged/Exchanged/Sent add something like "orphaned"?  

no dude its not normal
pool getting to many stalls...and getwork failuire

it is normal my stat getting 20% stale and 5% reject???
my payout for 2.25Mhs rig is ranging 0.018 per day..does it normal

Well done Waffle, you've raped and killed Auroracoin yesterday and the few days before. It's dead for now...and I'm sure you'll blame it entirely on the coin.

The last blocks in the network (times between them should be 10 minutes):

4121   2014-03-05 09:09:50   172   8745.97877292   7109.79   10603001   31.4683   39.4882   19.825%
4120   2014-03-05 04:11:26   120   11079.38249692   7109.79   10602976   31.271   39.281   19.9051%
4119   2014-03-05 02:30:03   140   5097.71346093   10664.685   10602951   31.2062   39.2106   19.9269%
4118   2014-03-05 00:12:37   91   1719.5911466   10664.685   10602926   31.1112   39.1152   19.9747%
4117   2014-03-04 23:39:27   248   11456.37999395   10664.685   10602901   31.0885   39.0921   19.986%
4116   2014-03-04 20:06:58   129   4571.51438461   10664.685   10602876   30.9476   38.9446   20.0451%
4115   2014-03-04 19:04:28   117   1956.90333522   10664.685   10602851   30.9045   38.9012   20.0671%
4114   2014-03-04 17:45:49   159   5226.32712004   10664.685   10602826   30.85   38.8466   20.0952%

I can't tell what those lines are, but since I see combined, I assume they are confirmed + unconfirmed.  In which case either prices of the coins changed, or a block got orphaned.  Both of which have been covered countless times in this thread.

why my profit decreasing whithout payout??
it happend 3 times since yesterday
just now happend again
my balance was 0.09824595
and changed to 0.09715875

here is example
http://s5.picofile.com/file/8115787334/1.png
http://s5.picofile.com/file/8115787568/2.png

I heard Liam Neeson once made a phone call to CoinMarket.io.
He had to use some skills to get his btc back.

" While it sucks to lose the coins, its the risk we face when adding coins that are only supported on small (unproven) exchanges."

For future, please do not add exchange services what are not really trusted.
I will recommend you just clean out these from unexchanged - and learn for future what can do with over 25GH/s switching principle pool what also have (suspected) quite big sub pool)

My stats:

http://i.imgur.com/OfZFH0X.png

OP, you won't win either way from the CoinMarket.io scam. If you remove them from "unexchanged", people will complain the day's payout is low. If you move them to "sent", people will complain payout is lower than sent stats. Sucks we lost those 12 btc, but I'm supportive of whichever way you want to deal with these coins we never got.

One last thing I forgot to bring up which I'd like some input on.

About a week ago we added 3 coins which at the time were only being traded on CoinMarket.io (Reddcoin, Karmacoin, Penguincoin) and one that was traded there and Mintpal (Mintcoin).  I implemented some scripts to be able to trade on Coinmarket, and we started mining.  We mined for a day or two with no problems, and then coinmarket went down, promising to be back up "tomorrow" every day since then.

Right now, we've got about 12btc (6 mint, 2 peng, 4 karm) stuck in coinmarket, that my guess is we'll never see again (people are guessing they did a runner - see their thread).  They're still showing up in our unexchanged balances (they've been there for 5 days or so).

My guess is they're lost for good.  We don't really have much recourse to get them back, they were sent to the exchange, and the exchange operator hasn't been seen in a few days (thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinmarketio-new-self-moderated-support-and-news-thread-454186).  While it sucks to lose the coins, its the risk we face when adding coins that are only supported on small (unproven) exchanges.

On to how we deal with it in terms of accounting.  Right now all of the coins are still being counted towards our unexchanged balance, so just removing the coins will show as a ~12btc drop in earnings on the day (when the day started we thought we had those 12btc, when they're removed we don't), which I'm sure would lead to tons of fun emails of "EVERYTHING IS BROKEN".  My first inclination is to remove the coins from unexchanged, and move them to "sent", so that essentially the overall balances stay the same, but the coins get removed from unexchanged.  Should coinmarket ever come back, and we can recover those coins, I'd just swap them back from sent --> unexchanged, and let them process normally when they get traded.

If anyone else has some suggestions, I'm all ears.

Gunna try to reply to as many as I can here (if some seem like the same question, I'll only answer them once).


It doesn't matter if a shift doesn't find a block, all that matters is when a block _is_ found, we pay it out over the last 10 shifts worth of shares.  If a block isn't found, obviously there isn't anything to pay out...  PPLNS is just a way of distributing the block value, over a reasonable number of shares.


We enabled it for about 12 hours a few days ago, and after block 10k, it is no longer POW mineable, so we have since disabled it.  It had to be manually traded off (almost no exchanges supported it), and between the time that we mined it, and that I manually sent it to an exchange, it mined a single POS block, and since I didn't want to have to sit and wait another few hours before trading it (and potentially find another block and have to wait), I just sent the amount that I had (180k / 190k) and ran the manual trade system, and then I disabled it, and completely forgot we had that one block that probably matured in the mean time.  I'll enable it, trade it off, and everything should be back to normal, sorry for the confusion there, just completely forgot about it.


First, sorry about the lack of response on email, like diwskwmx mentioned, I'm out of town and just getting quick things done here and there.  As for the address, Slow1 is correct.  Any bad addresses (we get them constantly) are considered a donation to the pool, essentially the shares get processed for block submits, and nothing else.  This isn't a donation to me, or to the operation of the pool, this is a donation to everyone within the pool essentially.


I should add this data to the personal stats page, added to my list for when I get back in town.  As for profit being low, its a matter of having a significant amount of Auroracoin that hasn't matured (mentioned before in the thread - takes 16hrs from mining to exchanged), which shows as "low profits" in two ways.  The first is that we're at a 16hr risk of price fluctuation (reasonably large), and the second is that at 16hrs, a large amount of the coins mined yesterday, had not been converted, and so couldn't be paid out.  So while we "earned" a normal amount, a large portion of it wasn't paid (wasn't converted), and will be paid out today (once it has matured and is converted).  Just a matter of a 16-17hr added gap between "earned" and "paid".

Judging by the time of your post, its most likely just a matter of mining a high difficulty coin (litecoin, dogecoin, etc) and getting unlucky for a period of time (1-2hr low luck spurts are completely expected).  In a short period of stats for the day (4ish hours), if we don't earn anything for an hour, our profit would show 25% lower than it should, and during that time, you'd see profits steadily decreasing.  For example, if we earned 10btc in 3 hours (3.33btc/hr), and then didn't earn anything for an hour (10btc in 4 hours), you'd see profit drop to 2.5btc/hr, which looks like we're doing significantly worse, but its just a matter of luck on a short time frame.


Mostly an issue with the market in general.  There are a few factors here.  The first is that we're measuring profitability here in terms of BTC, and BTC has risen pretty significantly over the past 2 days.  That means that while you might be earning less BTC/day, you're earning (very close to) the same in terms of USD/day.  Almost all prices of altcoins are tied very closely to the price of BTC (and in another way tied to the price/difficulty of LTC, which is in itself, tied to the price of BTC).  This is market factors, and outside of the coins supported and some minor variations in switching algorithms, every pool is affected by this in the exact same way.  Theres also the factor of difficulty increasing as a whole.  Its like saying "a week ago I was earning X mining bitcoins, and today I'm earning less", and thats just the way that increasing hashrates work: more hash power = less earnings per MHs.


All of these questions bring up something I'd like your guys input on.  This stuff is not simple, and there is a LOT going on under the hood that is hidden from the majority of users.  I've mentioned it a few times, and explained various pieces of it, but the same questions keep getting asked in both this thread, and in email, and while its not terribly complicated, its more than some people want to read and understand.  If you guys have some suggestions for how to make this more understandable, please let me know.

Essentially, there are a few different things people get confused about.
1) Why profitability seems to drop (the last question here).  This could be solved in the manner that Clevermining has done, by tying it to a % profitability of LTC.  So that when the market as a whole changes, we're still X% of LTC.  It could also be pegged to USD, which takes out the factor of BTC market fluctuations.

2) Why the amount earned changes, which is completely dependent on maturation time of blocks, and price fluctuations within that time (auroracoin's 16hr maturation time is a great example).  Any price changes during that 16hrs make us look like we earned more or less during that time period, and as a secondary step of confusion, the amount we "earned" is not the amount we paid for that day (confusing).  One option here is to avoid coins with long maturation periods, and I think this needs to be done a bit (having 90btc earned in auroracoin was probably too much), but when they're more profitable (and the market looks good), I'll have people yelling if we're not mining them.

The other option is to rework our accounting to list approx prices based on when they were mined, rather than prices at the current time.  So if we earned 10 aurora coin when they were worth 1btc each, and the price went up or down, we would continue to show those as worth 1btc each.  This is closer to what people like hashcows do, as they provide stats at the time it was mined, rather than at the time you exchange them for btc.  But it brings up a major problem that during drops in prices, our stats may show that we earned a lot, and paid significantly less, and yet again, more people yelling.

Essentially no matter what, there are going to be confused people (and I know a lot of you here have been helping answer questions - phzi and others) and the more I can do to make this more transparent and straightforward, the less time I'm here answering questions, and the more time I can be working to make the pool better

I'd love to hear suggestions.

Problem with profitability become apparent when the pool gets too large

I've been mining with Coinshift since they began. Profit yesterday for me was 0.01186 BTC/MH/Day = 171% LTC profitability.

We have a ton of Aurora coin stashed that represents a good portion of our mining effort.  AUR has fallen a been fairly volatile as well, which explains some of the dips.

Once AUR confirms (can take over a day, because blocks are coming in very slowly since AUR has not yet implemented KGW or fast diff variation), we'll likely see a larger then normal payout.

Speculating this strongly on AUR was probably a mistake, however...

@PoolWaffle: you should probably take confirmation time vs market stability into account in the future, before spending so much of our mining time on something like Aurora when it was bubbling.

Hi All

Is there any reason why payouts are so low for the last few days? Hashrate is same for me, rejects are very low (sub 1%) but payouts went down from 0.5 - 0.7 to 0.4 - 0.5 and for the last two days I had 0.029 and 0.015  

Mining on eu.waffle with diff 512

Not sure if it's temporary or I should be looking for a different pool.