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legendary
Activity: 1064
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July 26, 2014, 02:49:36 PM
Ok ive spome to btcdrak about getting via added to nxt mgw p2p trading. He has no problems with it being added as its a free market. He has concerns around the trust issues with such a service which is expected with something new like mgw but is happy for via to be added if people want it.

So does the via community want via to be added to mgw which illiminates 3rd party exchanges and provides a p2p exchanges within the nxt core? If the majority want it ill be able to make it happen.

From the horses mouth:

I have say or control where or how viacoins are traded, it's a free market.  It seems to me that MGW is not a trustless p2p trading environment because coins are just held in escrow by an intermediary and then duplicated as a NXT asset. This requires trust that the intermediary is honest and doesnt get hacked. While MGW may or may not be attractive (and I have no interest in discussing it's merits or problems), it's still a centralised system at the edges. Since coins do not actually enter the NXT asset exchange, but are "locked up" and "recreated" as NXT assets, you could just imagine the trouble that would be caused should the locked up assets escape without the NXT assets being equally destroyed.

A truly trustless p2p trading system is one where where cryptography and maths define the rules - for example the way sidechains would work.

It is not my intention to bash any other projects: I didn't want to make any public comment, but when I am quoted as saying something, after the last fiasco, I need to clarify exactly my opinion.
I realise there are many sides to this debate and trade-offs between using centralized exchanges. I favour trustless and fully decentralized solutions. I believe anything else is bandaid.

But back to my first statement. I am not in control of the markets and I believe people should use what they feel comfortable with. The free market will decide what wins and loses.

The multigateway uses multiple signature addresses. No single gateway server has all the private keys. So, while it isn't 100% trustless the service server owners would have to collude to get rid of the coin. Also, the NXT block chain still has you coin balance recorded.

While it isn't perfect, it still seems safer than a single entity having it... see MINT pal recent hack.


It certain is an interesting concept. Let's see how the markets reacts. I am very impressed with their marketing. Very slick, and obviously have put a lot of effort into it.
Even centralized exchanges should be making more use of multisig. Coinbase uses them for cold storage as far as I know.
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1001
July 26, 2014, 02:46:32 PM
Ok ive spome to btcdrak about getting via added to nxt mgw p2p trading. He has no problems with it being added as its a free market. He has concerns around the trust issues with such a service which is expected with something new like mgw but is happy for via to be added if people want it.

So does the via community want via to be added to mgw which illiminates 3rd party exchanges and provides a p2p exchanges within the nxt core? If the majority want it ill be able to make it happen.

From the horses mouth:

I have say or control where or how viacoins are traded, it's a free market.  It seems to me that MGW is not a trustless p2p trading environment because coins are just held in escrow by an intermediary and then duplicated as a NXT asset. This requires trust that the intermediary is honest and doesnt get hacked. While MGW may or may not be attractive (and I have no interest in discussing it's merits or problems), it's still a centralised system at the edges. Since coins do not actually enter the NXT asset exchange, but are "locked up" and "recreated" as NXT assets, you could just imagine the trouble that would be caused should the locked up assets escape without the NXT assets being equally destroyed.

A truly trustless p2p trading system is one where where cryptography and maths define the rules - for example the way sidechains would work.

It is not my intention to bash any other projects: I didn't want to make any public comment, but when I am quoted as saying something, after the last fiasco, I need to clarify exactly my opinion.
I realise there are many sides to this debate and trade-offs between using centralized exchanges. I favour trustless and fully decentralized solutions. I believe anything else is bandaid.

But back to my first statement. I am not in control of the markets and I believe people should use what they feel comfortable with. The free market will decide what wins and loses.

The multigateway uses multiple signature addresses. No single gateway server has all the private keys. So, while it isn't 100% trustless the service server owners would have to collude to get rid of the coin. Also, the NXT block chain still has you coin balance recorded.

While it isn't perfect, it still seems safer than a single entity having it... see MINT pal recent hack.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
July 26, 2014, 02:27:04 PM
Ok ive spome to btcdrak about getting via added to nxt mgw p2p trading. He has no problems with it being added as its a free market. He has concerns around the trust issues with such a service which is expected with something new like mgw but is happy for via to be added if people want it.

So does the via community want via to be added to mgw which illiminates 3rd party exchanges and provides a p2p exchanges within the nxt core? If the majority want it ill be able to make it happen.

From the horses mouth:

I have say or control where or how viacoins are traded, it's a free market.  It seems to me that MGW is not a trustless p2p trading environment because coins are just held in escrow by an intermediary and then duplicated as a NXT asset. This requires trust that the intermediary is honest and doesnt get hacked. While MGW may or may not be attractive (and I have no interest in discussing it's merits or problems), it's still a centralised system at the edges. Since coins do not actually enter the NXT asset exchange, but are "locked up" and "recreated" as NXT assets, you could just imagine the trouble that would be caused should the locked up assets escape without the NXT assets being equally destroyed.

A truly trustless p2p trading system is one where where cryptography and maths define the rules - for example the way sidechains would work.

It is not my intention to bash any other projects: I didn't want to make any public comment, but when I am quoted as saying something, after the last fiasco, I need to clarify exactly my opinion.
I realise there are many sides to this debate and trade-offs between using centralized exchanges. I favour trustless and fully decentralized solutions. I believe anything else is bandaid.

But back to my first statement. I am not in control of the markets and I believe people should use what they feel comfortable with. The free market will decide what wins and loses.

Fair comment btcdrak thanks
legendary
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
July 26, 2014, 02:18:26 PM
Ok ive spome to btcdrak about getting via added to nxt mgw p2p trading. He has no problems with it being added as its a free market. He has concerns around the trust issues with such a service which is expected with something new like mgw but is happy for via to be added if people want it.

So does the via community want via to be added to mgw which illiminates 3rd party exchanges and provides a p2p exchanges within the nxt core? If the majority want it ill be able to make it happen.

From the horses mouth:

I have say or control where or how viacoins are traded, it's a free market.  It seems to me that MGW is not a trustless p2p trading environment because coins are just held in escrow by an intermediary and then duplicated as a NXT asset. This requires trust that the intermediary is honest and doesnt get hacked. While MGW may or may not be attractive (and I have no interest in discussing it's merits or problems), it's still a centralised system at the edges. Since coins do not actually enter the NXT asset exchange, but are "locked up" and "recreated" as NXT assets, you could just imagine the trouble that would be caused should the locked up assets escape without the NXT assets being equally destroyed.

A truly trustless p2p trading system is one where where cryptography and maths define the rules - for example the way sidechains would work.

It is not my intention to bash any other projects: I didn't want to make any public comment, but when I am quoted as saying something, after the last fiasco, I need to clarify exactly my opinion.
I realise there are many sides to this debate and trade-offs between using centralized exchanges. I favour trustless and fully decentralized solutions. I believe anything else is bandaid.

But back to my first statement. I am not in control of the markets and I believe people should use what they feel comfortable with. The free market will decide what wins and loses.
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1001
July 26, 2014, 02:17:33 PM
Ok ive spome to btcdrak about getting via added to nxt mgw p2p trading. He has no problems with it being added as its a free market. He has concerns around the trust issues with such a service which is expected with something new like mgw but is happy for via to be added if people want it.

So does the via community want via to be added to mgw which illiminates 3rd party exchanges and provides a p2p exchanges within the nxt core? If the majority want it ill be able to make it happen.

Yes do it. That would be one less reason for me to need a centralized exchange.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
July 26, 2014, 02:07:57 PM
Ok ive spome to btcdrak about getting via added to nxt mgw p2p trading. He has no problems with it being added as its a free market. He has concerns around the trust issues with such a service which is expected with something new like mgw but is happy for via to be added if people want it.

So does the via community want via to be added to mgw which illiminates 3rd party exchanges and provides a p2p exchanges within the nxt core? If the majority want it ill be able to make it happen.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
July 26, 2014, 11:58:18 AM
If btcdrak is willing to help get via implimented it would be huge. pm and ill put you in touch with the devs to see what is required.
legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1000
July 26, 2014, 11:25:10 AM
@btcdrak have you considored seeing if you can get via immplimented within the nxt mutligateway exchange? Get ahead of the crowd and start trading via without 3rd party exchanges.
Nicely done, timmy.  Wink
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
July 26, 2014, 11:07:06 AM
@btcdrak have you considored seeing if you can get via immplimented within the nxt mutligateway exchange? Get ahead of the crowd and start trading via without 3rd party exchanges.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
July 26, 2014, 03:38:40 AM


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hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
July 21, 2014, 02:42:27 PM
Giving away 100 VIA over at the Viacointalk.org forum:

See: http://viacointalk.org/index.php?topic=25.0
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
July 21, 2014, 05:20:55 AM
Should hit 20k+ in 12h-2d
member
Activity: 82
Merit: 10
July 20, 2014, 02:52:01 PM
Getting quite sick of this poolerina lost millions on it they say coin forked...same with sha256 both lost coins on poolerino...hahsrate...was just crap on hashrate... lost coins... i am so sick of pools and coins that fork...tell you they forked, or have problems and issues with wallets and ..is it the same dev doing all. waisted nearly 3 weeks of mining because some devs are too clever

member
Activity: 82
Merit: 10
July 20, 2014, 02:41:03 PM
  We are investingating issues in the backend. Your shares and hashrate are safe and we will fix things ASAP.

Payouts disabled, you will not receive any coins to your offline wallet for the time being



Gives me a lot of faith in  there coin...i mean that guy was carrying on as if he was the bees knees.....but then im just a pleb what do I know.
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1001
July 20, 2014, 01:14:01 PM
To all the devs who understand the workings and to all the plebs that mine there coins.
Devs your question answering should be customer based ....In other words when someone asks a question he/she/it should be answered as if they are a customer. Dont show your value by means of your answer.
Rule 1. Customer is always right.
rule 2 Use difficult words like thank you and please.

Plebs...
They are clever remember that's why you aren't a dev.
Treat a dev as you would want them to treat you.
Use big words like please and thank you.

Now can one of the support guys answer (big word) Please.

My question I have been mining pre 10 000 block for my coins to mature would they mature 3600 after the 10 000 has been reached so in pleb language at 13 602.

Thank You.
Please I would like an answer before christmas.


You should as on the ANN thread. I think the answer is any fees you got prior to block 10000 will mature after 3600 blocks of the block with the fee. But, I'm not the dev. Wink
member
Activity: 82
Merit: 10
July 20, 2014, 11:58:33 AM
Unless Israel is attacking or hamas is shooting rockets at you I assume you dont know the answer to the simple question...as look what is on our doorstep.

member
Activity: 82
Merit: 10
July 20, 2014, 07:39:46 AM

member
Activity: 82
Merit: 10
July 20, 2014, 07:16:09 AM
To all the devs who understand the workings and to all the plebs that mine there coins.
Devs your question answering should be customer based ....In other words when someone asks a question he/she/it should be answered as if they are a customer. Dont show your value by means of your answer.
Rule 1. Customer is always right.
rule 2 Use difficult words like thank you and please.

Plebs...
They are clever remember that's why you aren't a dev.
Treat a dev as you would want them to treat you.
Use big words like please and thank you.

Now can one of the support guys answer (big word) Please.

My question I have been mining pre 10 000 block for my coins to mature would they mature 3600 after the 10 000 has been reached so in pleb language at 13 602.

Thank You.
Please I would like an answer before christmas.
newbie
Activity: 60
Merit: 0
July 20, 2014, 02:33:39 AM
Hey guys!

We have just added Viacoin to Cryptonator so now you can use all its free features


Should you own an iPhone or an Android device, we also have all these in our free mobile apps for iOS / Android

Cheers

https://www.cryptonator.com/ui/img/logo-no-text.png

http://coinfinance.com

Does your app allow for setting up a portfolio of coins so a person can keep track of their balance. Similar to any portfolio snap in on any portal like yahoo or whatever.

If not, is anyone aware of such an app or site?
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
July 20, 2014, 01:15:09 AM
is there a PPS pool?
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