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Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 23, 2024, 06:09:53 PM

Not talking about the disastrous loss to the Bournemouth team but emphasizing on their performance over the last few matches they have played this season. My concern is Arsenal has actually gone too defensive of recent. Arteta has been playing the slow football compare to how they quick counter I the last seasons, now they play casually and play In passes when they openings only, it’s not a bad idea as they have been the best defensively In the league but I feel like it is affecting their goals and not scoring more is a problem itself, is this new tactics because of the unavailability of the club captain Martin Odegaard who is their main goals creator

They didn't play defensive against Wolves, Aston villa, Brighton, Tottenham Hotspur, maybe not against Atalanta but against Manchester City. Did attack again against Bolton, Paris Saint Germany, and Leicester. Injuries affected them badly and we can see it happened when Martin Odegaard left for the international break with Norway. I'm certain with October closing, he'll be back soon. It seems like Saka and Odegaerd are the core players carrying that squad. They have created a whole lot, their absence have not been able to get Kai Harvertz scoring goals again. Mikel Arteta need a back up for this. It'll sure be bloody against a doing well Liverpool side.

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Quote from: IvugeoEvolutionCoin on October 22, 2024, 12:43:12 PM

In the match of Nottm Forest vs Crystal Palace team today, Nottm Forest team won the match by scoring 1 goal. In the first half of the game, the performance of the players of both teams was really great, but after halftime, Nottm Forest team player C. Wood scored the 1st goal in 65 minutes. After that, two None of the players in the team scored any goal for which the Nottingham Forest team won the match.

As I have said that most likely Nothingham Forest will beat Crystal Palace in the match because Crystal Palace this season is experiencing a decline in performance which makes it difficult for them to get important points in every match on the other hand Nothingham Forest performed better and tried hard not to disappoint their supporters who watched the match even though they were only able to score 1 goal at least that was enough to win even Crystal Palace tried hard to make many shots but none of them were converted into goals.

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Quote from: Mame89 on October 23, 2024, 01:54:28 PM

That's right. This is Arsenal's weakness this season, and it must also be admitted that this is what differentiates Arsenal and Man City. If Man City has many players who can be substitutes if there are several players who are injured or whose performance declines. While Arsenal has very few who can be used as substitute players.

For example, when Odegaard is injured, he can be replaced by Bukayo Saka because he is also quite good as a playmaker and captain, but when both players are injured, no one can fill the void, and that was evident in yesterday's match, plus the player who got a red card. No wonder Arsenal lost against Bournemouth, I have to be honest and say that I lost the bet on this match and it hurts a lot. On the other hand, what Arsenal fears most is when Kai or Martinelli gets injured if that happens later, I doubt Arsenal can compete with Man City and Liverpool this season. Arteta's next test is against Liverpool, we know Liverpool are currently on fire, most likely Arsenal will lose points again next week.

When I look at how they success defeat Shakhtar Donest 2 days ago on Champions League, Arsenal seem only lost their concentration and some players can not control the rhythm of game when face Bournemouth a week ago. Arteta must fix it and immediately repair the team to be focus on what their face. Liverpool is on fire, they will face the solid team on premier league right now, when arsenal still lost their control and the substitute players also late to adapt the arteta scheme, I believe we can see again arsenal lost the point on next week. But, usually when arsenal meet the strong team, they can fight struggle and won't let it Liverpool get the points easy on Emirates.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on October 23, 2024, 06:36:36 PM

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Quote from: TelolettOm on October 22, 2024, 06:30:40 PM

.... Calafiori is injured, and it's not good. Possible knee injury, what a bad news for Arsenal.

Arsenal performance this season does look not inconsistent, so we are starting to doubt if they can repeat what they did last season, last season we saw how Arsenal looked like they had no difficulty at all in competing in the Premier League due to the lack of their injured players, but now one by one their players have to enter the treatment room due to the current tight schedule, Next week Arsenal will face Liverpool but when they need a performance and also a qualified squad to face Liverpool,

Indeed, in this season, their journey is not smooth enough, especially with some of their key players who have been injured for a long time, even Saka, also barely recovered from injury. While Calafiori and also several other players are still under treatment due to injury.

when Arsenal face Liverpool later, their position will be really risky. Their 2 mainstay players are absent, Calafiori due to injury and Saliba suspended red card. and maybe still without Saka? Wow, this is complete, Arteta is under too much pressure this time, just right to face Liverpool.

Calafiori's condition has yet to be confirmed, but he is almost certain to miss this weekend's big clash with Liverpool. Obviously, this is a big blow to Arteta, in the context that Calafiori is playing with high form and Arsenal is not too strong in the left-back position.

It's been a very tense period and they've been missing key players in various positions on the pitch. Arteta will need to shuffle his squad at the weekend, with Thomas Partey likely to start at right-back to allow Ben White to move into centec-back. On the left wing, Oleksandr Zinchenko - who has not played for Arsenal since August - will have to compete with Jakub Kiwior for a starting spot. Overall, I think Jakub Kiwior should be considered as the preferred option to replace Calafiori this weekend, as he is the best defensively of the remaining left-backs Arteta has available.

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Quote from: Palakka on October 23, 2024, 01:24:55 PM

Quote from: TelolettOm on October 22, 2024, 06:30:40 PM

.... Calafiori is injured, and it's not good. Possible knee injury, what a bad news for Arsenal.

Arsenal performance this season does look not inconsistent, so we are starting to doubt if they can repeat what they did last season, last season we saw how Arsenal looked like they had no difficulty at all in competing in the Premier League due to the lack of their injured players, but now one by one their players have to enter the treatment room due to the current tight schedule, Next week Arsenal will face Liverpool but when they need a performance and also a qualified squad to face Liverpool,

Indeed, in this season, their journey is not smooth enough, especially with some of their key players who have been injured for a long time, even Saka, also barely recovered from injury. While Calafiori and also several other players are still under treatment due to injury.

when Arsenal face Liverpool later, their position will be really risky. Their 2 mainstay players are absent, Calafiori due to injury and Saliba suspended red card. and maybe still without Saka? Wow, this is complete, Arteta is under too much pressure this time, just right to face Liverpool.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on October 23, 2024, 05:32:13 PM

Even with Saliba's red card, they remained the better side, they kept the ball, controlled the flow of the game and should have taken thee lead only if Martinelli had scored the chance he had. Scoring that goal would have seen them sit back and defend that single goale. Things are not going as expected but with the return of the two driving forces, I'm certain heading back to winning ways is a must. It could be that they're pressing too hard, I cannot say that Arsenal lacks discipline issues. Red cards are not relevant, the only thing relevant would be Arsenal winning the Premier league competition.

Not talking about the disastrous loss to the Bournemouth team but emphasizing on their performance over the last few matches they have played this season. My concern is Arsenal has actually gone too defensive of recent. Arteta has been playing the slow football compare to how they quick counter I the last seasons, now they play casually and play In passes when they openings only, it’s not a bad idea as they have been the best defensively In the league but I feel like it is affecting their goals and not scoring more is a problem itself, is this new tactics because of the unavailability of the club captain Martin Odegaard who is their main goals creator

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Quote from: X-ray on October 21, 2024, 09:43:06 AM

I think missing Saliba due to the red card cannot be used as an excuse for their losses. This is because they were already bad even before Saliba was sent off by the referee. And I'm concerned about how they are now a club with the most red cards.

Just curious what makes them very often get red cards. It's been happening since Arteta joined Arsenal in 2019.

Even with Saliba's red card, they remained the better side, they kept the ball, controlled the flow of the game and should have taken thee lead only if Martinelli had scored the chance he had. Scoring that goal would have seen them sit back and defend that single goale. Things are not going as expected but with the return of the two driving forces, I'm certain heading back to winning ways is a must. It could be that they're pressing too hard, I cannot say that Arsenal lacks discipline issues. Red cards are not relevant, the only thing relevant would be Arsenal winning the Premier league competition.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on October 22, 2024, 12:04:15 PM

Since the league is a long marathon, such accidents can happen, but the real concern for Arsenal is not that they lost but instead is how poorly they played. I believe that Manchester City, the favorite for the championship in my opinion, would not have played as badly even if they were down to 9 men against Bournemouth. I still can't figure out why Arteta had the team play so defensively throughout the match, even though days have passed since the game. He should have been bolder.

I know that the red card received by Arsenal really affected them, but with that, they shouldn’t have lost to a team like Bournemouth, they conceded two goals in the match, I don’t really think that’s really a good one for Arsenal, Bournemouth isn’t really a strong team. Arsenal will be playing against Liverpool in their next match. How are they even going to win Liverpool in the match? The pressure that Liverpool will be mounting on them will definitely be much, and I don’t think even the strong defenders that Arsenal are having will be able to hold Liverpool.

Arsenal is currently facing injury problems, and Arteta doesn’t have strong players, which will be replacing the players that are currently on injury, which is what is currently affecting them, and if Arsenal can lose their next match, then I just hope they will be able to stay in the Champions League zone, they can’t really compete with Liverpool and Manchester City for the title this season.

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Quote from: X-ray on October 21, 2024, 09:43:06 AM

I think missing Saliba due to the red card cannot be used as an excuse for their losses. This is because they were already bad even before Saliba was sent off by the referee. And I'm concerned about how they are now a club with the most red cards.

Just curious what makes them very often get red cards. It's been happening since Arteta joined Arsenal in 2019.

That’s not true. William Saliba’s red card had a huge impact on how the game played out. Arsenal has received three red cards in 8 games this season, two of them in the first half. What is interesting about this is that none of the red cards have been as a result of a violent incident, all of them have been controversial because referees have given a yellow card to other teams in similar situations.

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Quote from: iBaba on October 23, 2024, 04:53:58 AM

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 22, 2024, 05:36:11 AM

As I think Liverpool are behind Manchester City and Arsenal, I don't agree with you.While starting this season Liverpool needed to sign 2-3 elite players. Because Liverpool substitutes are really weak.Besides it isn't even clear to me that Salah will complete the season at Liverpool.

Why do you think Liverpool is behind Manchester City and Arsenal. You meantion Liverpool's subs as really weak yet the club still got the likes of Nunez, Mac Allister, Diaz among others in its substitutes some of which may not perform like the first level team but will be able to turn up and represent when the need always arises. What's confusing about your statement is that Liverpool is behind Manchester City and Arsenal when yet Liverpool are the leading club in the table standing right now.

I also disagree if it is said that Liverpool is behind Arsenal because, basically, Liverpool is still a better team than Arsenal. I personally do not care about their position in the standings but I think it is clear that Arsenal is still not strong enough in the competition for the title. Indeed,in the last two seasons Arsenal has become a better team for its competition in the title, but in reality Manchester City's dominance is still very high. Thus, it would be more appropriate to say that Arsenal is behind Manchester City and Liverpool, because in reality Arsenal often fails to maintain good and consistent performance, and that is also what makes Arsenal still fail in the trophy race from season to season lately.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on October 21, 2024, 09:59:41 AM

Playing without Odegaard and Bukayo Saka has clearly affected Arsenal's performance but I think it only has an impact on their creativity, while their defensive line should be fine. What made Arsenal lose was that they had to play with 10 men from the early minutes, and the red card was enough to affect their composure, so when Bournemouth succeeded in breaking down the deadlock, this actually made Arsenal even more shaky, so that instead of equalizing, they conceded the second goal.

That's right. This is Arsenal's weakness this season, and it must also be admitted that this is what differentiates Arsenal and Man City. If Man City has many players who can be substitutes if there are several players who are injured or whose performance declines. While Arsenal has very few who can be used as substitute players.

For example, when Odegaard is injured, he can be replaced by Bukayo Saka because he is also quite good as a playmaker and captain, but when both players are injured, no one can fill the void, and that was evident in yesterday's match, plus the player who got a red card. No wonder Arsenal lost against Bournemouth, I have to be honest and say that I lost the bet on this match and it hurts a lot. On the other hand, what Arsenal fears most is when Kai or Martinelli gets injured if that happens later, I doubt Arsenal can compete with Man City and Liverpool this season. Arteta's next test is against Liverpool, we know Liverpool are currently on fire, most likely Arsenal will lose points again next week.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on October 22, 2024, 06:30:40 PM

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As I think Liverpool are behind Manchester City and Arsenal, I don't agree with you.While starting this season Liverpool needed to sign 2-3 elite players. Because Liverpool substitutes are really weak.Besides it isn't even clear to me that Salah will complete the season at Liverpool.

In fact, this season, Arsenal often perform inconsistently, even their performance is not as optimal as before. The level of sharpness of their front line seems to have decreased slightly. Even look at the last few matches. For some reason Arsenal players this season often get red cards.

Oh yes, even in the UCL, this time they did not perform optimally. Indeed, they won against FC Shakhtar Donetsk, they got a full 3 points and that was the main point. but they did not score at all, only OG from the opponent. Arsenal dominated, many attempts at shots, but none of them went into the goal

And to make matters worse, Calafiori is injured, and it's not good. Possible knee injury, what a bad news for Arsenal.

Source: Arsenal staff already assessing Riccardo Calafiori after being subbed off with possible knee injury.

Arsenal performance this season does look not inconsistent, so we are starting to doubt if they can repeat what they did last season, last season we saw how Arsenal looked like they had no difficulty at all in competing in the Premier League due to the lack of their injured players, but now one by one their players have to enter the treatment room due to the current tight schedule, Next week Arsenal will face Liverpool but when they need a performance and also a qualified squad to face Liverpool, precisely at this time Calafiori must receive treatment due to injury in UCL match yesterday, although indeed Arsenal has not confirmed how severe he is injured but if you see him replaced in the match against Shaktar Donetsk, of course it is likely that he will miss the match against Liverpool later.

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Quote from: iBaba on October 23, 2024, 04:53:58 AM

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 22, 2024, 05:36:11 AM

As I think Liverpool are behind Manchester City and Arsenal, I don't agree with you.While starting this season Liverpool needed to sign 2-3 elite players. Because Liverpool substitutes are really weak.Besides it isn't even clear to me that Salah will complete the season at Liverpool.

Why do you think Liverpool is behind Manchester City and Arsenal. You meantion Liverpool's subs as really weak yet the club still got the likes of Nunez, Mac Allister, Diaz among others in its substitutes some of which may not perform like the first level team but will be able to turn up and represent when the need always arises. What's confusing about your statement is that Liverpool is behind Manchester City and Arsenal when yet Liverpool are the leading club in the table standing right now.

Liverpool have great potential to remain at the top of the table this season, considering that so far they have been quite consistent and have even performed better even though they have only signed one player this season, I think they have a strong squad with talented players like Nunez, Mac Allister, and Diaz, but it is too early to say they can stay consistent until end season, the league journey is still very long and what happened to them last season also has the potential to happen again if they are hit by players injuries , the fierce and competitive competition requires a fairly good squad depth and I think just recruiting Cessa is certainly still not enough for Liverpool at the moment, so far they have led the Premier League, But how consistent they are in maintaining their position at the top of the standings, of course, we don't know yet.

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Quote from: iBaba on October 23, 2024, 04:53:58 AM

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 22, 2024, 05:36:11 AM

As I think Liverpool are behind Manchester City and Arsenal, I don't agree with you.While starting this season Liverpool needed to sign 2-3 elite players. Because Liverpool substitutes are really weak.Besides it isn't even clear to me that Salah will complete the season at Liverpool.

Why do you think Liverpool is behind Manchester City and Arsenal. You meantion Liverpool's subs as really weak yet the club still got the likes of Nunez, Mac Allister, Diaz among others in its substitutes some of which may not perform like the first level team but will be able to turn up and represent when the need always arises. What's confusing about your statement is that Liverpool is behind Manchester City and Arsenal when yet Liverpool are the leading club in the table standing right now.

In my opinion, what is meant by Liverpool is that they must maintain their position in the standings by consistently maintaining a win in every match so that they cannot be replaced by Manchester City and Arsenal who are in 2nd and 3rd place. Liverpool have proven that starting from the start of the season they have played very well, whereas from Arsenal's question is behind Manchester City and Arsenal, maybe it's at the end of the season, there are still many things we need to discuss together, forget this, there are still more fun things to do.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 22, 2024, 05:36:11 AM

As I think Liverpool are behind Manchester City and Arsenal, I don't agree with you.While starting this season Liverpool needed to sign 2-3 elite players. Because Liverpool substitutes are really weak.Besides it isn't even clear to me that Salah will complete the season at Liverpool.

Why do you think Liverpool is behind Manchester City and Arsenal. You meantion Liverpool's subs as really weak yet the club still got the likes of Nunez, Mac Allister, Diaz among others in its substitutes some of which may not perform like the first level team but will be able to turn up and represent when the need always arises. What's confusing about your statement is that Liverpool is behind Manchester City and Arsenal when yet Liverpool are the leading club in the table standing right now.

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Yeah that was what everyone thought, we all thought he would have a hard time adapting to the Premier League but it didn’t turn out that way and he is already at the top of the league after round 8. It was easy because Kloop already set up a good squad and all he had to do was feature them exactly as Kloop was doing to get the usual results. He is yet to experience the real test yet when players start to pick up injuries that is when we will know how good he really is.

As I think Liverpool are behind Manchester City and Arsenal, I don't agree with you.While starting this season Liverpool needed to sign 2-3 elite players. Because Liverpool substitutes are really weak.Besides it isn't even clear to me that Salah will complete the season at Liverpool.

I think a lot has happened in the early part of the season, but it remains to be seen who is better. If you look at Liverpool record they have lost only 1 match in the first 10 matches. Liverpool will surely go to the end of it. Arsenal and Manchester these two teams cannot bring Liverpool down. In the next few matches of Liverpool Liverpool will win every match in which teams like RB Leipzig Arsenal Brighton will lose.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 21, 2024, 12:41:26 PM

After Klopp's departure I thought Liverpool would start falling.But Arne Slot continues to do an impressive work.As a Chelsea fan I got satisfied with our game. But we need to get better. I think we can get a Champions League ticket by finishing this season in top 4.When we think about Arsenal's condition I think the championship race is going to be between Manchester City - Liverpool this season.

In the match between Liverpool and Chelsea Chelsea could only score 1 goal, if they had scored another goal, the match would have been tied. But Liverpool didn't let that happen and won the match by 1 goal. Your thinking was wrong, how could you even think that Liverpool would lose. I believe that Chelsea is a better team but they are not good enough to beat Liverpool. They may lose if other teams that are a few positions below them get stronger. But mostly your point will be seen Liverpool and Manchester City. Liverpool and Arsenal face off in the same week in which we should most likely expect a Liverpool win.

You are not alone on this, majority of the football lovers especially English Premier League fans had thought that Arne Slot will at least suffer for this first season before he will understand the dynamics of English football and the synchronize with the Liverpool footballers. But surprising to everyone he immediately hit the ground running and started getting outstanding results. I personally ruled Liverpool chances of contesting for the English Premier League title out, but right before us the coach and the players have proved me wrong. This has proven that pre-season alone is good enough and okay for every good coach to understand a team. I can clearly say and believe that Liverpool is a major contender of the EPL title.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 22, 2024, 05:36:11 AM

As I think Liverpool are behind Manchester City and Arsenal, I don't agree with you.While starting this season Liverpool needed to sign 2-3 elite players. Because Liverpool substitutes are really weak.Besides it isn't even clear to me that Salah will complete the season at Liverpool.

In fact, this season, Arsenal often perform inconsistently, even their performance is not as optimal as before. The level of sharpness of their front line seems to have decreased slightly. Even look at the last few matches. For some reason Arsenal players this season often get red cards.

Oh yes, even in the UCL, this time they did not perform optimally. Indeed, they won against FC Shakhtar Donetsk, they got a full 3 points and that was the main point. but they did not score at all, only OG from the opponent. Arsenal dominated, many attempts at shots, but none of them went into the goal

And to make matters worse, Calafiori is injured, and it's not good. Possible knee injury, what a bad news for Arsenal.

Source: Arsenal staff already assessing Riccardo Calafiori after being subbed off with possible knee injury.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on October 22, 2024, 12:04:15 PM

Since the league is a long marathon, such accidents can happen, but the real concern for Arsenal is not that they lost but instead is how poorly they played. I believe that Manchester City, the favorite for the championship in my opinion, would not have played as badly even if they were down to 9 men against Bournemouth. I still can't figure out why Arteta had the team play so defensively throughout the match, even though days have passed since the game. He should have been bolder.

I would not call what happened in that game an accident because arsenal are to overconfident and that is seriously affecting them and that is one of the reasons they lost thay game. Have had pity on arsenal because they have been struggling seriously, and they have been wanting to win the premier league title but they have been unable to win that trophy. And looks like the only club that have a chance is Liverpool because arsenal is not making a good choice and very soon we Manchester City will take over again and people are finding it hard to predict who is going to win the title this period. And now that kelvin is injured our performance have dropped, so the moment the KDB comes back things will definitely change the game because even haaland needs KDB, and even Foden is not that excellent this season. Arteta is trying to test out a new method and the defensive game is not favoring him at all.

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Being better than Arsenal or City, or being worse, none of that is something we can calculate right at the moment because we are in October right now and there are months of football left until they have any chance to do anything. They are not looking bad, that part is true and they look like they are playing a great football at the moment.

But, we do not know what they are going to do in the longer term, maybe after middle of the season they will start to play terribly, who knows?

There were plenty of coaches famously who start the season great because they push the players to their limits, so their players would be great at the start of the season but then got injured due to high fatigue as well. Bielsa is one of the most known versions of this, he would run his players to ground, which would make the team play better than anyone for 10 to 15 games and even have a big gap at the lead, but then players would get injured quite frequently as a result.

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