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Quote from: mamesso on December 24, 2024, 07:40:47 AM

Quote from: Pandorak on December 24, 2024, 01:11:05 AM

After beating Manchester City i thought they were starting to bounce back and would perform better against Bournemouth, however, i was wrong, Manchester United suffered a crushing defeat, plus another embarrassment was that the match was held at Manchester United own ground.

Many people expect Man United to maintain their winning streak after beating Man City, but Bournemouth is one of the teams that always makes things difficult for Man United when playing at Old Trafford. Bournemouth may not be considered a team capable of competing at the top, nor are they considered a "dark horse" team like Aston Villa, Tottenham and West Ham.
However, Bournemouth's performance this season is very impressive, Man United has just become a victim of their ferocity, the victory made them succeed in occupying 5th position with 28 points, even now they have succeeded in surpassing Man City in terms of points.

I know Manchester United have tried very hard so far, but it was different against Bournemouth, they seemed helpless, they lost a lot of moments, chance after chance came just could not be executed properly.

Bournemouth are unexpectedly doing very well this season, slowly but surely their ranking is starting to rise, the next match against Crystal Palace, i don't know, i just feel they will win again this time, lol.

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Liverpool will host Leicester in their next match, next against West Ham at the London Olympic Stadium. Both matches will be played during the remainder of December and there is a possibility of losing points to Liverpool. I'm not underestimating Leicester and West Ham in any way, for me it's the best way to not drop points for the rest of the year.

And the next 2 matches that will be played by Liverpool have the opportunity to continue to get 3 full points. There is nothing to worry about The Red this season, Arne Slot and his troops are at the peak of their ideal performance so that any club in the EPL or the Champions League will have difficulty stopping Liverpool. Leicester City and Westham can still provide resistance but there is no guarantee they can steal 3 points.

The victory over tottenham has also extended their unbeaten run of 22 matches in all competitions at the moment, so this shows mentality and also their extraordinary ability this season to cope with any pressure that exists, just like you, when Liverpool managed to destroy big teams like tottenham, madrid, manchester city and chelsea, of course facing leicester city and westham who are slumping at the moment is not something difficult for them, I am also quite confident that Liverpool will be able to get full points in the remaining two match in first half of the season, before they face another busy schedule in the second half of this season later.

Leicester City is not a team that has the same strength as Liverpool so if there is no big surprise then it is likely that Liverpool will be able to win this match easily especially Liverpool will play at home and also in terms of performance in the last few matches the two teams have differences, Leicester City who have not been able to get out of their slump and Liverpool who are very consistent in their best performance.

Winning the middle of the season with quite impressive performance is very important for Liverpool to improve their team mentality especially this season there is not much pressure that Liverpool gets from other teams after several Premier League teams have had many problems, it will be an advantage for Liverpool to continue to be consistent in the title fight, I think it is very likely that this season Liverpool will be able to win the title.

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Newcastle will host Aston Villa at home.It's hard to predict who will win in this match, but I hope it will be an enjoyable encounter for both teams.Both teams like to score and concede goals, so there is a high probability of goals against each other.
Bournemouth are doing great this season.Bournemouth have managed to defeat their opponents one by one and it seems that Bournemouth's top 5 race continues and will continue to continue.Their next opponent is Crystal Palace but I think they will start to face difficult matches for them.I think Crystal Palace can take points from this away game.

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Whatever Amorim is doing to Man United, it's not working out. But, in his defence, he has to play with what he inherited after Ten Hag. He probably will be allowed to do some shopping in the winter transfer window, but if there's no visible improvement after that, he might be in trouble.

it's not the fault of the Manchester United coach that things are not working at the club at the moment, actually nothing is bound to work at Manchester united until the team is properly fixed and I thing the coach has emphasized that during one of his interviews with press, he also emphasized the absence of the right players in the squad which is one of the reasons the team is underperforming and a possible transformation of the entire squad if not an overhaul, so I see no reasons why anyone should blame Amorim for the poor performance of this Manchester united side for now, he should be given enough time just as the previous coaches.

You would be right, but then, we had a short period of Ruud van Nistelrooy as an interim manager, during which Man United performed really decently, but things went south again after Amorim took over. This makes Amorim look bad in comparison.
Also, if he is to sideline United's biggest star, Marcus Rashford, he better make it work. Making radical changes that bring no desired result, doesn't spark much trust in his coaching abilities.

As expected, the media are confirming that Marcus Rashford will be leaving Man United during the winter transfer window. No concrete offer has yet been made, but allegedly Barcelona and PSG are interested in adding him to their teams.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/man-united-drop-major-marcus-30656476
Despite Amorim being clear he doesn't see Marcus in the team, Rashford was still featured as the face of the official 2025 club calendar (already sold out).

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This result is surprising, even they did not show as a winning team against Man City. Indeed, in the match Bournemouth was more effective. Man United was too nervous and destroyed because they conceded first. In fact, they are even more destroyed and make the players' mentality worse. This condition made Amorim dizzy and there were many rumors that he would ask for funds for a big fight. There are rumors that Amorim wants Osimhen when he is with Galatasaray on loan, then there are Ronald Araujo and Tyler Dibling. They still have 2 games against Wolves and Newcastle United.

To be fair, United and Osimhen rumour has been broken, I have seen it on witter where it's said that this is a wrong and fake news, just to increase the value of Osimhen and get him wanted. Osimhen is not even working with his agent anymore, he is literally working with his lawyer alone, nobody else. This is why these fake news are spread by probably Napoli to get rid of him, like try to make it look like fans do want it. If enough United fans see this news and go crazy about it, then they think United will not have any choice but to go for it.

Osimhen is not against going to United I am sure, and I am sure United is not against getting Osimhen if they can neither, both of those are quite possible and they both would want each other, I am not saying this can't happen, I am just saying that there aren't any talks so far, this doesn't mean there won't be one, it just means that the news we have seen so far is fake, but eventually it could turn out to be true.

Since Osimhen's news with Manchester United is all fake, that doesn't mean that Manchester United wouldn't look for quality players by the January transfer window. They will for sure, sort for some other quality player different from Osimhen.

Manchester United's longing for quality players has turned out as a necessity for the club to have for them to verge for top positions for seasons to come. Amorim will be so happy if Manchester United provided the players he wants to be in the Manchester United squad.

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Quote from: Luzin on December 24, 2024, 08:14:30 AM

Quote from: Agbe on December 24, 2024, 07:51:25 AM

If not there wound be anything that united and Bournemouth will be in this kind of discussion but sincerely speaking Manchester United let a lot of hope's down by not consolidating on the win that they have over Manchester City the previous weekend than just to come and lose at home to Bournemouth of all teams

This result is surprising, even they did not show as a winning team against Man City. Indeed, in the match Bournemouth was more effective. Man United was too nervous and destroyed because they conceded first. In fact, they are even more destroyed and make the players' mentality worse. This condition made Amorim dizzy and there were many rumors that he would ask for funds for a big fight. There are rumors that Amorim wants Osimhen when he is with Galatasaray on loan, then there are Ronald Araujo and Tyler Dibling. They still have 2 games against Wolves and Newcastle United.

His victory over Manchester City is actually not something extraordinary because Man City's condition this season has indeed declined and they have been defeated by several clubs some time ago so Man United can beat them, even though if I judge actually Man United's performance has not fully improved he is still not consistent under Amorim's guidance and the defeat against Bournemouth was not a surprise in the previous match Man United was also defeated by Tottenham in the Carabao Cup so actually Amorim needs improvements in the squad in order to build the team as a whole.

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Manchester City lost once again this week. I can't really believe that they are doing this bad and this long, it's really getting to a point where it doesn't really make any sense at all to me. I can see that we are dealing with something that is taking a bit of time and we are seeing that they need to achieve a point where things could change eventually.

We need to consider how to get a better results eventually and they need to rediscover that fire again, within them. This is getting to a point where I do not get why they are this bad, like I understand and see that they are bad, but I do not get why they are bad, so that doesn't make any sense to me at all, feels as if things aren't always that great and makes it very hard for me.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 24, 2024, 03:37:04 PM

I don't see any team presently that is capable of challenging Liverpool to this season's English premier league title. Chelsea are the closest team chasing Liverpool in second place on the table standings but I don't think they will be able to win the league. I think Enzo Maresca main focus now is building a team capable of competing for trophies in the future.

I know you're fully believing in Liverpool caused by their extraordinary performance. They're topping the league, but it's too early to conclude they're winner of current season. They have almost same performance last season, but bottled trophy at the end of season.

The only difference is that they have no club closest to them atm, but who knows they can miss some points in a row. Kindly wait until Q1 next year, then we can assume, which team to win it. PL's totally unpredictable when it comes to the late game. They still play with the same squad with different coach. The chance to lose points and trophy are still there.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on December 24, 2024, 08:16:27 PM

If there is no transfer window ahead, the manager cannot buy or sell any player at will. To be sure, the current manager of Manchester United is trying to do well with his former manager's favorite team. But I really didn't think that Manchester United returned to good performance as quickly as they did under this manager. I thought Manchester United's performance might not change much if they change manager this season but Manchester United have been able to improve their performance significantly under the new manager.

The man currently in charge of Manchester United may be doing his job right. Those who watch Manchester United matches regularly can tell the difference between this team. If there is no transfer window ahead, then the manager cannot sell any player at will or the manager can buy any player at will, you are right. But at present Manchester United need a skilled striker. As Manchester United have bounced back to good form at the moment, they will be looking to maintain a continuation of such performance in the future and try to maintain a continuation of good performance. The more time Manchester United's new coach spends with this team, the stronger this team will become.

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Quote from: hahay on December 24, 2024, 03:21:51 PM

It is difficult, but if I think that Amorim is a great hope because of his success at Sporting, then at least Amorim can also make Manchester United get some trophies.

I think it is unfair to judge Amorim for his poor performance this season with United. Since the beginning Manchester United have had many problems left by Ten Hag. One of them is creating good chemistry and relationships with the players. Sometimes you need to be a coach who is able to manage the emotions and attitudes of each player like Ancelotti and Zidane did at Real Madrid. So far I see Manchester United being better than the previous season although still far below expectations. The transfer market will open in January. Amorim needs several types of players who can maximize the tactics he will implement.

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Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on December 24, 2024, 12:41:46 PM

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Whatever Amorim is doing to Man United, it's not working out. But, in his defence, he has to play with what he inherited after Ten Hag. He probably will be allowed to do some shopping in the winter transfer window, but if there's no visible improvement after that, he might be in trouble.

it's not the fault of the Manchester United coach that things are not working at the club at the moment, actually nothing is bound to work at Manchester united until the team is properly fixed and I thing the coach has emphasized that during one of his interviews with press, he also emphasized the absence of the right players in the squad which is one of the reasons the team is underperforming and a possible transformation of the entire squad if not an overhaul, so I see no reasons why anyone should blame Amorim for the poor performance of this Manchester united side for now, he should be given enough time just as the previous coaches.

Normally no manager wants to take over a club in the middle of the season, but the current man in charge of Manchester United must be thanked for taking charge of Manchester United after the start of the season. If there is no transfer window ahead, the manager cannot buy or sell any player at will. To be sure, the current manager of Manchester United is trying to do well with his former manager's favorite team. But I really didn't think that Manchester United returned to good performance as quickly as they did under this manager. I thought Manchester United's performance might not change much if they change manager this season but Manchester United have been able to improve their performance significantly under the new manager.

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Quote from: Lida93 on December 24, 2024, 05:12:11 PM

At the moment Liverpool seem invincible and they have been coming up with great results week in week out which is why they are at the top of the table. Against Tottenham Hotspur they played an extraordinary game which they won with a nine goal thriller which extended their lead, though a lot of people have attributed Liverpool's dominance to Manchester city's sudden decline and they think Liverpool wouldn't have been where they are at the moment if Manchester city were playing well but it would only take some time before we know if Liverpool will continue to dominate or be displaced by another team.

Liverpool is indeed at an advantageous point because they are now getting stronger with their consistent performance making them solid at the top of the standings, Their previous match managed to beat Tottenham making them stronger at the top of the standings. Their current performance is very good because previously they had difficulty being at the top of the standings but now they have eliminated one of the big teams in the top four of the Epl. Their chances of continuing to lead the standings I think are quite big, because one of the Epl Monster teams is currently in an unstable state, this gives them a chance and I think they have taken advantage of it well.

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Yes. Liverpool are indeed unstoppable even though when they played against Tottenham they had a goal party and it was done at the opponent's home, Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. So this victory makes Liverpool even stronger at the top of the standings with 39 points. Yes, even Mo Salah has scored 18 goals and 14 assists in all competitions for Liverpool, this is extraordinary. Liverpool did show a surprising game, even though at the beginning of the season there were doubts because the coach was new and not many players had been brought in. If Liverpool manages to win the EPL title, it will certainly be a special debut for Arne Slot.

At the moment Liverpool seem invincible and they have been coming up with great results week in week out which is why they are at the top of the table. Against Tottenham Hotspur they played an extraordinary game which they won with a nine goal thriller which extended their lead, though a lot of people have attributed Liverpool's dominance to Manchester city's sudden decline and they think Liverpool wouldn't have been where they are at the moment if Manchester city were playing well but it would only take some time before we know if Liverpool will continue to dominate or be displaced by another team.

It is indeed very obvious that Mohammad salah is a special kind of player and Liverpool actually discovered the secret power he possesses and that is why they decided to give him all he wants and made him the soul king of the red. Mo Salah is one of the players that have had amazing seasons in Liverpool. This guy has been in his prime for quiet a lot seasons and he is still delivering good football.

Another man I so much respect in Liverpool currently is Arne Slot. I actually thought that this man would at least have some weak seasons as a newcomer in the club before he will discover his way to succeed. But I was so surprised to see him start succeeding almost immediately in the club. I'm happy that finally Guardiola and his boys won't be winning this time.

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Quote from: Mame89 on December 23, 2024, 02:46:45 PM

Yes. Liverpool are indeed unstoppable even though when they played against Tottenham they had a goal party and it was done at the opponent's home, Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. So this victory makes Liverpool even stronger at the top of the standings with 39 points. Yes, even Mo Salah has scored 18 goals and 14 assists in all competitions for Liverpool, this is extraordinary. Liverpool did show a surprising game, even though at the beginning of the season there were doubts because the coach was new and not many players had been brought in. If Liverpool manages to win the EPL title, it will certainly be a special debut for Arne Slot.

At the moment Liverpool seem invincible and they have been coming up with great results week in week out which is why they are at the top of the table. Against Tottenham Hotspur they played an extraordinary game which they won with a nine goal thriller which extended their lead, though a lot of people have attributed Liverpool's dominance to Manchester city's sudden decline and they think Liverpool wouldn't have been where they are at the moment if Manchester city were playing well but it would only take some time before we know if Liverpool will continue to dominate or be displaced by another team.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on December 24, 2024, 04:23:19 PM

Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 24, 2024, 03:37:04 PM

I don't see any team presently that is capable of challenging Liverpool to this season's English premier league title. Chelsea are the closest team chasing Liverpool in second place on the table standings but I don't think they will be able to win the league. I think Enzo Maresca main focus now is building a team capable of competing for trophies in the future.

The league I very much open as at this time and Liverpool haven't had a safe landing yet, If Chelsea can continue with this pace they can still overtake Liverpool from behind, Arsenal too is capable of doing that ,there will be a particular point in the league table one would begin to reason of this ,so right now, no doubt Liverpool is quite outstanding in their performances but to say you don't see any team capable of challenging them is where I don't totally agree with you.

Chelsea’s draw over the course of the weekend was a very disappointing one I must say. I didn’t expect them to settle for a draw against Everton. I know for sure that Pickford isn’t that any easy goalkeeper to beat and Chelsea played there best to try and get all 3points in that game but somehow could seal it and that was so unexpected.

At the money, the league is very much up to Chelsea and Liverpool which is why, losing points over the weekend isn’t something Chelsea should have settled for. Liverpool went ahead to beat Spurs in a 3:6 Liverpool victory, increasing there goal difference as well and they aren’t going to stop, going forward from the way I see it.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 24, 2024, 03:37:04 PM

I don't see any team presently that is capable of challenging Liverpool to this season's English premier league title. Chelsea are the closest team chasing Liverpool in second place on the table standings but I don't think they will be able to win the league. I think Enzo Maresca main focus now is building a team capable of competing for trophies in the future.

You’re right and this statement you made is similar to one I told someone once, I don’t think Enzo Maresca is actually Aiming for the title but they are still the only team capable of challenging Liverpool this season, even if they are not ready I think Liverpool needs to be careful and not drop points too much else Chelsea might surprise them. It’s not impossible for Chelsea to win the league because we are just about to hit the middle of the season and it’s still a long way to the end, they might not be challenging for the title but being focused on winning matches and picking 3 points could win them the league if Liverpool fumbles.
Arsenal are also in the race, they might be a little bit far but they are also in the title race and cannot be over looked even though Chelsea and Liverpool are the real contenders for now.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 24, 2024, 03:37:04 PM

I don't see any team presently that is capable of challenging Liverpool to this season's English premier league title. Chelsea are the closest team chasing Liverpool in second place on the table standings but I don't think they will be able to win the league. I think Enzo Maresca main focus now is building a team capable of competing for trophies in the future.

The league I very much open as at this time and Liverpool haven't had a safe landing yet, If Chelsea can continue with this pace they can still overtake Liverpool from behind, Arsenal too is capable of doing that ,there will be a particular point in the league table one would begin to reason of this ,so right now, no doubt Liverpool is quite outstanding in their performances but to say you don't see any team capable of challenging them is where I don't totally agree with you.

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Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on December 24, 2024, 12:41:46 PM

it's not the fault of the Manchester United coach that things are not working at the club at the moment, actually nothing is bound to work at Manchester united until the team is properly fixed and I thing the coach has emphasized that during one of his interviews with press, he also emphasized the absence of the right players in the squad which is one of the reasons the team is underperforming and a possible transformation of the entire squad if not an overhaul, so I see no reasons why anyone should blame Amorim for the poor performance of this Manchester united side for now, he should be given enough time just as the previous coaches.

Sometime the coach also contributes because the success of a club lies in how it is been managed if it is properly managed they it will succeed for sure and look at Chelsea they have sacked how many coaches now and they have been getting it right so if Manchester United want to get it right they must be ready to get a better coach that will be able to give the club a good management and ten was not doing a great job and I actually support is sack because the club was not yielding any profit at all so ot is better he goes to another club to use is strategy but as for Manchester United they deserve another. The coach might be making the right comment of not having sufficient players and if they can make provision for that and the performance does not improve then there is going to be enough problems, and the coach needs serious selection of players so as to make the club perform better.

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Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on December 24, 2024, 12:41:46 PM

it's not the fault of the Manchester United coach that things are not working at the club at the moment, actually nothing is bound to work at Manchester united until the team is properly fixed and I thing the coach has emphasized that during one of his interviews with press, he also emphasized the absence of the right players in the squad which is one of the reasons the team is underperforming and a possible transformation of the entire squad if not an overhaul, so I see no reasons why anyone should blame Amorim for the poor performance of this Manchester united side for now, he should be given enough time just as the previous coaches.

One guy was confronting me because I said Amorim is a good coach and the failure of the players has nothing to do with him, it's the fault of the players though he is going to take full responsibility of those players because he is their leader and he is the one representing the club and the team. If there is no change among the players, there is nothing good that will come about the team and not necessary sell them, there should be some to be reserved and some that has to start.

There are some miscreant fan base that are trying to create FUD between Amorim, Rashford and the management because he decided to bench him in some of their games and the team hasn't been able to win any game, loss at home and they want to see the best of him. I don't think he will be able to know his own potential unless he tried every combination to be able to crack that code to win, the existing formation was formed by ETH, he need to master his own boys.

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Quote from: hahay on December 24, 2024, 03:21:51 PM

At the very least, if Amorim doesn't make the expected improvements over the course of a season or two, then it's very likely that Amorim will end up being sacked as well as previous coaches.

Manchester United is really in a big mess, and Amorim didn’t meet the team in a good way, so all I will say is that Amorim needs to be given time, we don’t just expect him to fix everything within a short period of time, it’s going to be a gradual process, because even if Amorim will be signing new players, we don’t expect him to sign all players at once, so Amorim should be given enough time.

I have seen some Manchester United fans that are already complaining about him, that he should stick to the pattern that Ruud van Nistelrooy was using, that the players are not used to the current pattern that Amorim is playing, which is a wrong idea. The coach will be staying in the club for a long time, so we expect him to play the pattern that he knows best and not have to copy other people.

It’s just too early to start complaining, let’s just allow the coach to do what he knows best, and we shouldn’t expect instant changes in Manchester United’s performance, but with time, things will be better.

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