Topic: ⚽ Premier League 2023/2024 Discussion Thread ⚽ - page 32. (Read 70170 times)

Bournemouth victory over Machester United at Old Trafford Stadium made Bournemouth ranking rise to the top 5, Machester United crushing defeat was enough to embarrass him, especially held at home, in front of thousands of fans, even though previously Machester United managed to beat Machester City with a score of 2-1.

Your last statement, it's possible but that's not the case here. The team is just having a bad season after about 7 years of playing top football. It happens. Even if the team was made up of the best players in the history of football from every position and the best manager in the history of football a time will come when they will perform badly, its just how the sport is. Nobody stays at the top all the time. Even Messi, the greatest and best player the world has ever seen, there was a season he was ranked 5th in the balon dor.
My point is that what is happening to Manchester City is not something that hasn't happened before. The loss of some players triggered something, and it went downhill from there. I think all Pep needs is three or four top players in different positions.



I was against Amorim leaving Sporting mid-season to take on the United job. That was a very poor time to leave his club and also a poor time to join a team like United. Now, his former team is shit and his present team is shit. I still agree he's a good manager but he didn't analyse his decision properly.
United is a team that needs a lot of work to be done. Going to United when he won't be able to sign players in a mistake.

If you didn't watch the Tottenham - Liverpool game, you missed too much.    It was an unbelievable game first of all. Despite seeing no goal like in the first 20 minutes, we watched 9 goals in total. A huge 6-3 win by Arne Slot's students... I don't know how more I'm going to praise Salah this season. But he is just incredible with his goal contribution in every way. 2 goals and 2 assists here. 18 goals and 15 assists in 24 games when it comes to the whole season so far.

At the age of 32, Salah is still cooking and having one of his most productive seasons.    I hope Liverpool extends with him for a couple of more years.

Lastly, Manchester United got a horrible loss, I agree. However it is too early to go harsh on Amorim. He hasn't even made signings according to his choices. He needs time to have his system working too.

First of all, a big congratulations on your winning, because it's actually not easy to win a bet, secondly with all the observation I have made regarding football betting, I think the best way to go about it is to stake on few games, at least maximum of three, because when the selection are few, their is a higher probability of you winning, unlike when your selection are much.
So selecting few games when betting on football matches is the best way to win a bet.

Then as for the Chelsea vs Everton game, it was very obvious that it was a fixed draw, because how will they explain to me that after all the wasting of time from Everton and only two minutes was added at the end of the game? It shows that they the official just don't want to risk it further, they just want the game to end like that, a goalless draw.
Then as for Liverpool, though the league title race is still far, but at this point, they are the clear favourite here no doubt.

Post like this are hell funny,  but I don't see the same energy with Manchester City and players who play for them yet to score a single goal in the year 2024. You won't do all these because they don't play for Manchester United.
Did the tactics used by Amorim during the Manchester derby work? Most of you just on here to type whatever you like, well it's fine. You can't expect changes when most of these players aren't gone.

Chelsea are becoming stronger with Pochettino and Maresca, but they have yet reached to a champion level, so it's not too surprising that they lost points to even a weak team like Everton.

These disappointed matches will be parts of valuable experience for young players in Chelsea, and if they can learn from it, improve themselves, they will contribute to a higher level of Chelsea and soon they will reach to a champion level in Premier League.

With a club that is fighting with teams around relegation zone like Everton and with very weak attacking capability, having a draw, 1 point from Chelsea by keeping a clean sheet, is a big success for them. 1 point can be important for Everton to stay in Premier League, maybe.

I commented in this thread that this Chelsea vs Everton game was a trap for anyone who wanted to bet on Chelsea's victory, this is because Everton has been playing well at home, also in the last games in which Chelsea played at Everton's home they were unable to come out with good results and Everton managed to have a good result against Arsenal which was a game before this one against Chelsea. I'm glad I didn't bet on this game


I watched this game on TV and I confess that I am very impressed by the beautiful way Liverpool have played since Arne Slot arrived.

Whatever Amorim is doing to Man United, it's not working out. But, in his defence, he has to play with what he inherited after Ten Hag. He probably will be allowed to do some shopping in the winter transfer window, but if there's no visible improvement after that, he might be in trouble.

Impressive performance by Liverpool. Mo Salah is now the sole leader of the top Premier League scorers with 15 goals to his name, overtaking Man City's Haaland, who hasn't improved his 13-goal count in a while.
If Liverpool doesn't hit any longer period of season fatigue and underperformance, they're on the best way to win the league. And that would be a great debut for Arne Slot.

My thoughts on today's EPL games, I'm not happy following the staggering performance of these elite teams. It starts with Manchester City losing 2-1 to Aston Villa, then Manchester United got enough mortification following their 3-0 defeats to Bournemouth at Old Trafford, while Chelsea escaped trembling astonish performance from Everton with goal-less draw at Goodison Park. One of the interesting game was Manchester united game, how did they allow the Cherries to net three stunning goals? Amorim pattern is not working to reshape the club because a winning ought to take place. They couldn't even manage to score the visitors, instead conceded 3 goals and its huge disappointment for a club that's fighting to bounce back on their feet in EPL.

Let's see the final settlement of Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool, one of the big games this weekend, and Arne Slot snatched three conquering points. They're ontop of the EPL table and sitting comfortably, this is the main stripe for the Reds to take the lead up to next year because there's no presence of close competition. Liverpool have amazing players, we're talking about players that are ambitious to win titles and the only one they could that is simply maintaining streak winnings.

Some people were predicting that Tottenham will win Liverpool at their home, I was wondering how easy that will have been but Liverpool didn't disappoint at the end.

Actually a match between Chelsea and Everton used to go in this way, which is draw or if there's a win,  the goal margin isn't much. Everton don't normally give Chelsea that opportunity to win them, I predicted a Chelsea win or draw.

After winning 2-1 in the derby match against Manchester City, it seems that Manchester United still cannot maintain its performance. Manchester United lost 4-3 against Tottenham in the EFL Cup, then lost badly against Bournemouth today with a score of 0-3. Of course Amorim needs to improve and improve the consistency of his team's performance, but that is the hardest part.

Chelsea also failed to win today, they ended the match 0-0 against Everton. Liverpool became even stronger with their big win at home to Tottenham with a score of 3-6. This was the biggest score of the week as there were 9 goals during the match.

Normally coaches are held responsible for the performance of the team but it doesn't erase the fact that the players are very important to the success of the club. A team might have a good coach but if the players decide not to give their best, it's not the fault of the coach. There are times when some influential players will spearhead a revolt against a coach to facilitate his sack. It is possible that some key players want Pep Guardiola to leave Etihad.      


I can't just explain what is going on with Manchester United. Sacking Erik Ten Hag was overdue but almost everyone agreed that Ruben Amorin was a good coach considering his exploits in Sporting Lisbon. Now he is struggling to get good results. He needs to get the players he wants and the club would have to be patient with him.

Why you are so surprising with this defeat?
I think it is not surprised that Bournemouth could defeat Man United. You can see that Bournemouth has a higher rank in the table and their perfomance look more established than Man United in this season. Moreover, you need to see that Amorim lets lord Maguire to play full-time. Everyone must know that Maguire is always a weak part of Man United squad. It is a too bad decision to trust him playing until the end of the match. Well, Amorim needs to know deeply the capacity of each Man United players.

Yep. They are in the 13th place. In the last 5 matches, they already got 3 defeats. I think we can't expect much on Amorim, he seems not better than Van Nistelrooy. I don't understand that Amorim sometimes force a new formation and a new tactic for Man United team. He must know that he should adjust the formation and tactic with the capability of their players.

This is not correct at all. A coach is responsible for how his team plays. This doesn't mean the coach can win trophies with mediocre players, it means a good coach needs good players. I don't understand why people try to make it seem like it is just one or the other.
Take a photographer and a camera, for example, A good photographer with a bad camera will only do so much. An average photographer with the best camera might take better photos than him, but if you give a good photographer the best camera, he'll give you the best pictures you've ever seen.

My point is, don't try to undermine a coach's influence on a team, everything revolves around him. Pep's team is suffering now doesn't mean he's a bad coach or the coach has no role to play in the results of games.
If you say good players that know what they're doing can win games and trophies without the coach then I will show you a PSG that had Messi, Mbappe and Neymar but couldn't win anything.
Mourinho got sacked from a team that had arguably the best Madrid team in history. By your logic, he should have won the treble in his time there.
The manager is very necessary but no matter how good a manager is, he needs good players to succeed because poor players won't be able to give him what he asks. They're not intelligent, talented and hardworking enough to make the coach's ideas a reality.


Two truths can exist and I have been saying it since.
Eric Ten Hag was a bad coach and the Manchester United squad is average.
I don't know if Amorim is up to the task of coaching Manchester United but I know sacking Ten Hag was not a bad decision. He was clueless and his team played very badly. If its by the players alone then a team like Bournemouth shouldn't be able to win Manchester United because me and you will agree that the players in Bounermouth are not better than the players in Manchester United.

This is actually what we classify as title contenders, the total goal today in the game was really something no one expected, the results where already predicted in favor of Liverpool but three goals margin was a lot.

Maresca might really be honest when he said they were no contender for the title, a draw against Everton won't have introduced any better to help them compete for the title meanwhile a supposed contender like Liverpool are topping tough opponent with three goals difference. Chelsea are not ready fo the title race, neither is United also trying to raise themselves, I feel very sorry yet for Amorim and his management with these worst results.

Yes it is surprising but look at Bournemouth's performance in several matches they have played where they performed quite well and what is surprising from this match of course there was no reply goal from the host. Being humiliated in front of the fans is certainly very disappointing but Manchester United's performance is really not too good because their defense is so bad and there is also no deadly attack power that they do.

Manchester United under Amorim still needs time to find their best form and this winter transfer window must be utilized as well as possible to overhaul the team so that their performance can be better in the second half of the season. Manchester United is still stuck in 13th place and it seems it will be quite difficult for them to redeem the top 4 ranking this season.

Losing with a fairly heavy score at Old Trafford where they controlled the course of the match was clearly very disappointing for Manchester United.
They tried to create a scheme where they wanted to do some dominance in midfield so that the quality of their attacks was maintained but they did not pay attention to the defense where they only focused on the territory but did not focus on marking the opponent which made Manchester United lose momentum and we can see that 2 of the 3 goals that were created were the fault of the defenders who did not pay attention or did not mark the Bournemouth players properly.

This is clearly disappointing and I don't think anyone expected them to lose their own game but at the end of the day this clearly has to be a lesson for Amorim so that even though they try offensive schemes but they also have to think about the worst possibilities like this. Losing with a fairly heavy score at Old Trafford where they controlled the course of the match was clearly very disappointing for Manchester United.

I never expected Manchester United to lose to Bournemouth, I was expecting the match to be an easy win for Manchester United, but even after dominating the match and having so many goal attempts, Manchester United couldn’t get a goal in the match, and they ended up conceding 3 goals in the match, which I never expected, because I was thinking Manchester United would be able to get a win in the match, but they couldn’t.

After losing today, Manchester United is maintaining their 13th position. It’s just embarrassing to see Manchester United in that position, and from the look of things, I don’t think they will be leaving that position soon.

Man city's defense is a mess... They have really been reluctant this season and that would be the last thing I'd expect from a team that has won the league 6 times under the same manager. Pep doesn't wanna give up so easily; on one of his interviews, he literally tore himself with his finger nails and when he was asked the reasons why, He said he wanted to hurt himself! Truth is, IRL, we'll always experience UPs and DOWNs  and nobody should hate the process of unlearning. TBH, I never thought city would lose to Aston Villa.

Mohamed Salah's contribution is so great that he is one of the most active players in destroying the opponent's defense. Arne slot of course continues to praise Salah because he always performs well this season, Liverpool is in good form both in the Premier League and also in the Champions League. Defeating Tottenham with a big score is certainly important proof that they are ready to become champions this season. Liverpool is so comfortable at the top of the standings and they also still have one match postponed and that is a good opportunity they have.

For Tottenham of course their defense line is so bad in today's match that Liverpool was able to pressure them from the start. Both teams played quite well because they attacked each other and it was indeed too difficult for Tottenham to catch up because Liverpool could score many goals. Salah was able to score two goals and even an additional two goals made him the player who occupied the top scorer ranking temporarily.