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After reading the many praises given to Man United and also the pride of Ten Hag dismissal which gave a positive result in yesterday's match, do you have confidence in the upcoming match that Man United can win against Chelsea? Even the bookmakers give the same odds between MU and Chelsea. Do you have a prediction in this match?


Their victory in the previous match gave a new atmosphere and new discussions about their performance for the next match. But I think they also forgot that the opponent they defeated with a landslide score in the previous match was not a very tough club. Not to underestimate Leicester, but when you look at their position in the regular competition, their position is also at the bottom, yes even though it is only one rank below Manchester United. Now the opponent they will face is Chelsea. Chelsea itself is in a good trend this season. They showed a good revival this season, unlike the previous season which had a disappointing appearance. So this is also a big question whether they will be able to or not.
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I did not know about Ruben Amorim before the sack on Ten Hag and rumor, news about chances that Ruben Amorim will be appointed as a new head coach of Manchester United.

He started his coach career in 2018 - 2019 season but his success began to be big with Sporting Lisbon with a league trophy last season. In this season, he has won 9 matches with Sporting Lisbon in Liga Portugal and did not lose any point so far.

Lisbon history since 2005 - 2006 season: https://www.transfermarkt.com/sporting-lissabon/platzierungen/verein/336/

His stats with Sporting Lisbon are impressive but moving to Manchester United and Premier League will be very big challenge for this young coach.
Of course, I'm the same as you. A coach who is not famous usually won't get much attention, unless he has already received interest from a big team. We may have watched Sporting Lisbon play before, but didn't realize that its current coach has received interest from Manchester United today. Amorim of course has to adapt quickly to the team's current needs after Ten Hag left, so he doesn't have much time to think and he has to come with all his abilities.

I just read the news about when Ruben Amorim will join Manchester United. It is said that Amorim will handle the team after the international break, meaning that Manchester United will still be managed by its current interim coach Ruud van Nistelrooy for the next 3 matches. I don't know if this has been confirmed, usually there isn't much reliable news in situations like this.
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Previously I had never heard of Ruben Amorim, who now looks like he will coach Manchester United. Ruben Amorim may not be the most famous coach in Europe so far and Manchester United want to give him a tough job. The Manchester United squad that Ten Hag left behind clearly had problems, so Ruben Amorim needed time to do everything as well as possible.

Luckily Ruben Amorim loves the Premier League and everything it has to offer and that is a sign that he is ready to take on the challenge. The pressure within the Manchester United club is much greater than others such as Tottenham, Aston Villa and several others, so Ruben Amorim must be able to do his job very well if he wants to last longer.
I did not know about Ruben Amorim before the sack on Ten Hag and rumor, news about chances that Ruben Amorim will be appointed as a new head coach of Manchester United.

He started his coach career in 2018 - 2019 season but his success began to be big with Sporting Lisbon with a league trophy last season. In this season, he has won 9 matches with Sporting Lisbon in Liga Portugal and did not lose any point so far.

Lisbon history since 2005 - 2006 season: https://www.transfermarkt.com/sporting-lissabon/platzierungen/verein/336/

His stats with Sporting Lisbon are impressive but moving to Manchester United and Premier League will be very big challenge for this young coach.

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Amorim inherited a squad that was not in good form from Ten Hag, so he needed time to rebuild the Manchester United squad to a better performance. His first season as Manchester United coach did not go as expected, there will be a transition period between himself and the players to understand each other. Usually, coaches have favorite players who they think can work well with them, as Conte wanted at Napoli to bring in Lukaku. A squad overhaul may be on the cards, but it will all happen slowly.
Previously I had never heard of Ruben Amorim, who now looks like he will coach Manchester United. Ruben Amorim may not be the most famous coach in Europe so far and Manchester United want to give him a tough job. The Manchester United squad that Ten Hag left behind clearly had problems, so Ruben Amorim needed time to do everything as well as possible.

Luckily Ruben Amorim loves the Premier League and everything it has to offer and that is a sign that he is ready to take on the challenge. The pressure within the Manchester United club is much greater than others such as Tottenham, Aston Villa and several others, so Ruben Amorim must be able to do his job very well if he wants to last longer.
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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.
I believe Amorim can't help Manchester United to return to their glory days on his first season. He has a lot of things to be done, and yet again, he should have sold the players who were not used by the club. And i think the club will not back him with lots of money in the winter transfer season. This was because the FA might sanction Manchester United for violating the PSR rules.
Amorim inherited a squad that was not in good form from Ten Hag, so he needed time to rebuild the Manchester United squad to a better performance. His first season as Manchester United coach did not go as expected, there will be a transition period between himself and the players to understand each other. Usually, coaches have favorite players who they think can work well with them, as Conte wanted at Napoli to bring in Lukaku. A squad overhaul may be on the cards, but it will all happen slowly.
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After reading the many praises given to Man United and also the pride of Ten Hag dismissal which gave a positive result in yesterday's match, do you have confidence in the upcoming match that Man United can win against Chelsea? Even the bookmakers give the same odds between MU and Chelsea. Do you have a prediction in this match?

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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.

Firstly I will say they should let go of these players who have seen more managers been sacked than the trophies they have won, they're hell toxic and a problem to the development of the squad in the dressing room. Also, the ex-manchester United class of 1992 set of players should let managers implement their style and not force them to go back to that traditional british style of play. Why do I feel like they're also doing too much to fight the club? I'm not expecting nothing from.him, he should learn from the mistakes of the previous manager or perish. Bye!
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There is just something about football that you can't explain when a manager is sacked...last night I thought Manchester United would struggle against Leicester City because currently they aren't playing as a unit and the foxes can be a nuisance when they want to, but instead the team rose to the occasion and brought their A game to the party and players that haven't performed were firing on all cylinders and am thinking...if players want to punish the manager they can do it on purpose and results will be there for all to see..but yester night was nice to see the boys get 5 passed Leicester.

Great new beginning team United, we hope to see more wins after ETH was sacked.

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Well, I actually learnt that the Manchester united boss, in the person of Erik Ten Hag finally got sacked, I learnt about this today a few hours ago, and I was like "finally".

The truth is that, his sack was inevitable, and this is possibly why it didn't come as a surprise to many of us, and  so far, speaking of Manchester united's team performance against Leicester city, we all should understand that the team aren't working for the manager, they are working for the management of the club and for the general good of the entire club, letting the just sacked manager affect their game play or performance would have been a misplacement of priorities.
And to believe that their underperformance previously was a way to punish their previous manager is also absurd, an improvement in their performance going forward should be simply seen that the new manager possibly has better managing abilities than the previous one.
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There is just something about football that you can't explain when a manager is sacked...last night I thought Manchester United would struggle against Leicester City because currently they aren't playing as a unit and the foxes can be a nuisance when they want to, but instead the team rose to the occasion and brought their A game to the party and players that haven't performed were firing on all cylinders and am thinking...if players want to punish the manager they can do it on purpose and results will be there for all to see..but yester night was nice to see the boys get 5 passed Leicester.

Great new beginning team United, we hope to see more wins after ETH was sacked.

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Well, Ten Hag has really changed Manchester United's culture by his own. He degraded Manchester United's culture from a winning team to the mediocrity team. One of his biggest mistakes is bringing too many Ajax players to his new club. He should have gotten a reliable, experienced player. That was unacceptable.

After Manchester United fired Ten Hag, they hired a new manager, Amorim. This also clarifies that the rumor about Ruud joining Manchester United is fake.

They may be undergoing a new transformation under Amorim.
Sacking Erik Ten Hag was the proper decision taken by the team's board? Yes because he couldn't explore handling decisive actions of the club interms of improvement, which was very poor. Erik Ten Hag brought horrible results for such elite club status and you expects the fans to be happy about the whole situation? He's one coach that have singlehandedly ruined things at Old Trafford, watched Manchester United league home games and you will be shocked with the level of mediocre performance exhibited by the team. Rúben Amorim is leading on the list when we're talking about coaches that are securely provided with margineable means. He's brave enough to handle his new role, it's all just a matter of time to see the new boss parading in Old Trafford.
The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.

Same thing I was telling somebody about this new manager Manchester United have gone for, there are topnotch coaches all across the World, why not go for something big, Manchester City broke the Bank and went for pep guardiola, and today look at the amazing result he has been delivering. Ajax is not on the same level with Manchester United, the level of competition in the premier League is different as all eyes are always on you and unfortunately Ten Hag brought along with him that Ajax mentality. Ruben Amorim doesn't have that CV yet to manage a big club like Manchester United, except he would be learning on the job on how to manage a big club like United.
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The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.
Well this is exactly as I said before and but it has been covered with some new pages and I'm too lazy to look for it Cheesy, the possibility of Ruben Amorim is not much different from Erik Ten Hag because in reality coaching a club as big as Manchester United is not easy, it requires a coach who has above average abilities and has experience coaching big clubs, replacing Erik Ten Hag with Ruben Amorim is like replacing an old mistake with a new mistake, I think Man United will regret being too quick in making a decision without reconsidering their decision to recruit that coach.
This is not just about the League level because it is clear that the Portuguese League cannot be compared to the English League. If based on that, of course every coach will end up badly, so instead of comparing the quality of the League why not compare Erik Ten Hag achievements at Ajax with Amorim achievements with Sporting? This comparison is clearly ridiculous, because it will bring up other ridiculous comparisons such as the quality of coach Arne Slot when he was in the Dutch League with Feyenoord. Isn't that even more irrelevant? Why can Arne Slot make Liverpool at the top of the standings while Erik Ten Hag is the opposite?

In the end what determines is the quality of the coach, not the Domestic League competition that has been played.
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After Ten Hag, Manchester transferred Sporting Lisbon's Coach Ruben Amorim for 10 million Euros.
Coach transfer is not a common situation, but it can happen sometimes.
According to the news, Manu will also pay a large compensation to Ten Hag.
This situation does not affect a club like Manchester at all. They should have fired him long ago. A move that was too late.
Amorim has no angry stick in his hand. He too will need time.
This will be a lost year for Manchester.
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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.
I believe Amorim can't help Manchester United to return to their glory days on his first season. He has a lot of things to be done, and yet again, he should have sold the players who were not used by the club. And i think the club will not back him with lots of money in the winter transfer season. This was because the FA might sanction Manchester United for violating the PSR rules.
I think we fail to acknowledge one glaring fact of players' willingness or non willingness to support the new manager/coach.
This should be a concern for Amorim, because it is until the coach has warmed up to the players currently in the squad and have bonded with them that he can do and know which players needs to be sold or transferred for free.
The goal will remain same for him and that's to bring Manchester United to the top of the table and make them qualify seasonally for the champions League which is the hottest cake for professional footballers.
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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.
I believe Amorim can't help Manchester United to return to their glory days on his first season. He has a lot of things to be done, and yet again, he should have sold the players who were not used by the club. And i think the club will not back him with lots of money in the winter transfer season. This was because the FA might sanction Manchester United for violating the PSR rules.
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Sacking Erik Ten Hag was the proper decision taken by the team's board? Yes because he couldn't explore handling decisive actions of the club interms of improvement, which was very poor. Erik Ten Hag brought horrible results for such elite club status and you expects the fans to be happy about the whole situation? He's one coach that have singlehandedly ruined things at Old Trafford, watched Manchester United league home games and you will be shocked with the level of mediocre performance exhibited by the team. Rúben Amorim is leading on the list when we're talking about coaches that are securely provided with margineable means. He's brave enough to handle his new role, it's all just a matter of time to see the new boss parading in Old Trafford.
The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.
Well this is exactly as I said before and but it has been covered with some new pages and I'm too lazy to look for it Cheesy, the possibility of Ruben Amorim is not much different from Erik Ten Hag because in reality coaching a club as big as Manchester United is not easy, it requires a coach who has above average abilities and has experience coaching big clubs, replacing Erik Ten Hag with Ruben Amorim is like replacing an old mistake with a new mistake, I think Man United will regret being too quick in making a decision without reconsidering their decision to recruit that coach.
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There are jokes online that MU started winning immediately after Ten Hag's departure, as today they defeated Leicester City 5 -2 in the FA Cup. It's funny of course, I remember Ten Hag complained that the club has so many players that it's very difficult to find the right combination, now I wonder how quickly the new coach will find the right combination and something tells me that he will manage much faster than his predecessor, because he understands it more
Yes, that shows us the squad looks happy after Ten Hag gone. This is not about how strong and complete the squad in playing the match, but their freedom without pressure from a coach who always implements the strategy which can not understand them and does not make they happy. I think, what Ruud van nistelrooy did as a taker as brilliant action, he managed to reunify the squad like the beginning. Casemiro he placed it slightly backwards, while Bruno a bit advanced on front so that scheme was able in its movement to supply and create the goal.
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The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.
I read in some media that Ruben Amorim managed to make Sporting dominate the league again after several previous seasons always being in the middle of the table. Of course the competition in the English league is different from the Portuguese league. The EPL has a high level of difficulty and of course this is a risky bet. However, I think one of the reasons Ruben Amorim was chosen is because he can play and maximize the available resources. This is important for United who have spent a lot of players in the transfer market this season. I don't think Ruben Amorim can improve the performance. But I expect them to perform better than when coached by Ten Hag.

There are jokes online that MU started winning immediately after Ten Hag's departure, as today they defeated Leicester City 5 -2 in the FA Cup. It's funny of course, I remember Ten Hag complained that the club has so many players that it's very difficult to find the right combination, now I wonder how quickly the new coach will find the right combination and something tells me that he will manage much faster than his predecessor, because he understands it more
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To be fair, we have seen Arne do good for the time being, and for the same reason we could say Erik Ten Hag had a great first season as well, he finished third, after taking over a team that did so bad they finished with interim manager previous season. Taking that team to third place was a great achievement and everyone was assuming Erik Ten Hag would be the next Alex Ferguson.

Look what happened now, dude is fired in a way where all the fans are literally out on streets celebrating, going from that to this is a huge step and it only happened in a bit over a season, from end of his first year, to start of his third year, it's that simple. So I think Arne Slot could be doing great now, and I believe he is doing much better than expected, but lets give him some time.
I don't like Erik Ten Hag because he often makes internal problems with the players, of course that's a bad attitude from a coach. He is also too selfish in every interview where he will promise to bring change but he can't do it. Now the Erik Ten Hag era is over and also today Manchester United won a big win over Leicester City. That's a good step for them to rise in the Premier League when they face Chelsea this week.

Manchester United will play at Old Trafford when they face Chelsea, of course that's a good momentum for them to rise again from the slump at the beginning of this season. I think Ruud van Nistelrooy is certainly very confident in the task given to him, he will be able to bring change and all that will work if he gets full support from the fans. So far, Manchester United has had a hard time finding a great coach and I hope Ruud van Nistelrooy can be given a long time, not just as a temporary coach.
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I guess sacking Ten Hag had an instant positive effect on the team, as Manchester United is currently leading against Leicester 5-2 in the EFL Cup game. Leicester is one place below Man United in the league table.
Poor attacking power was United's main problem last season and continued into this season, so it's strange to see them scoring 5 games (possibly more as there's still 10 mins left to the final whistle). Perhaps players try to impress the new manager - Ruben Amorim.
Currently the team is led by an interim manager, Ruud Van Nistelroy.
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You can't judge a coach based on what they did in a smaller league because they never managed a team with this much finance, and this much expectation. Sporting has a much smaller economy, and facing against other much smaller economy teams as well, so they are not really on the same level.

United on the other hand has huge coffers, and they can spend over hundred million a year, and they are facing other teams which can do the same thing. If they wanted, City, United, Chelsea, Brighton, Newcastle, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, all of these can easily spend 100+ million ay ear, and that's just one league.

So, as you can see this isn't a simple job and we are talking about a bigger deal and we need to just focus on how this could change on the long term. I am guessing Amorim will have hard time, specially next year, when he is given that budget and he needs to find players. He will be shocked to learn, players that can be bought for 10 million in other clubs, will request 20 million or even 30 million from United, because they know they can afford it.
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