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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.
I believe Amorim can't help Manchester United to return to their glory days on his first season. He has a lot of things to be done, and yet again, he should have sold the players who were not used by the club. And i think the club will not back him with lots of money in the winter transfer season. This was because the FA might sanction Manchester United for violating the PSR rules.
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Sacking Erik Ten Hag was the proper decision taken by the team's board? Yes because he couldn't explore handling decisive actions of the club interms of improvement, which was very poor. Erik Ten Hag brought horrible results for such elite club status and you expects the fans to be happy about the whole situation? He's one coach that have singlehandedly ruined things at Old Trafford, watched Manchester United league home games and you will be shocked with the level of mediocre performance exhibited by the team. Rúben Amorim is leading on the list when we're talking about coaches that are securely provided with margineable means. He's brave enough to handle his new role, it's all just a matter of time to see the new boss parading in Old Trafford.
The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.
Well this is exactly as I said before and but it has been covered with some new pages and I'm too lazy to look for it Cheesy, the possibility of Ruben Amorim is not much different from Erik Ten Hag because in reality coaching a club as big as Manchester United is not easy, it requires a coach who has above average abilities and has experience coaching big clubs, replacing Erik Ten Hag with Ruben Amorim is like replacing an old mistake with a new mistake, I think Man United will regret being too quick in making a decision without reconsidering their decision to recruit that coach.
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There are jokes online that MU started winning immediately after Ten Hag's departure, as today they defeated Leicester City 5 -2 in the FA Cup. It's funny of course, I remember Ten Hag complained that the club has so many players that it's very difficult to find the right combination, now I wonder how quickly the new coach will find the right combination and something tells me that he will manage much faster than his predecessor, because he understands it more
Yes, that shows us the squad looks happy after Ten Hag gone. This is not about how strong and complete the squad in playing the match, but their freedom without pressure from a coach who always implements the strategy which can not understand them and does not make they happy. I think, what Ruud van nistelrooy did as a taker as brilliant action, he managed to reunify the squad like the beginning. Casemiro he placed it slightly backwards, while Bruno a bit advanced on front so that scheme was able in its movement to supply and create the goal.
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The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.
I read in some media that Ruben Amorim managed to make Sporting dominate the league again after several previous seasons always being in the middle of the table. Of course the competition in the English league is different from the Portuguese league. The EPL has a high level of difficulty and of course this is a risky bet. However, I think one of the reasons Ruben Amorim was chosen is because he can play and maximize the available resources. This is important for United who have spent a lot of players in the transfer market this season. I don't think Ruben Amorim can improve the performance. But I expect them to perform better than when coached by Ten Hag.

There are jokes online that MU started winning immediately after Ten Hag's departure, as today they defeated Leicester City 5 -2 in the FA Cup. It's funny of course, I remember Ten Hag complained that the club has so many players that it's very difficult to find the right combination, now I wonder how quickly the new coach will find the right combination and something tells me that he will manage much faster than his predecessor, because he understands it more
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To be fair, we have seen Arne do good for the time being, and for the same reason we could say Erik Ten Hag had a great first season as well, he finished third, after taking over a team that did so bad they finished with interim manager previous season. Taking that team to third place was a great achievement and everyone was assuming Erik Ten Hag would be the next Alex Ferguson.

Look what happened now, dude is fired in a way where all the fans are literally out on streets celebrating, going from that to this is a huge step and it only happened in a bit over a season, from end of his first year, to start of his third year, it's that simple. So I think Arne Slot could be doing great now, and I believe he is doing much better than expected, but lets give him some time.
I don't like Erik Ten Hag because he often makes internal problems with the players, of course that's a bad attitude from a coach. He is also too selfish in every interview where he will promise to bring change but he can't do it. Now the Erik Ten Hag era is over and also today Manchester United won a big win over Leicester City. That's a good step for them to rise in the Premier League when they face Chelsea this week.

Manchester United will play at Old Trafford when they face Chelsea, of course that's a good momentum for them to rise again from the slump at the beginning of this season. I think Ruud van Nistelrooy is certainly very confident in the task given to him, he will be able to bring change and all that will work if he gets full support from the fans. So far, Manchester United has had a hard time finding a great coach and I hope Ruud van Nistelrooy can be given a long time, not just as a temporary coach.
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I guess sacking Ten Hag had an instant positive effect on the team, as Manchester United is currently leading against Leicester 5-2 in the EFL Cup game. Leicester is one place below Man United in the league table.
Poor attacking power was United's main problem last season and continued into this season, so it's strange to see them scoring 5 games (possibly more as there's still 10 mins left to the final whistle). Perhaps players try to impress the new manager - Ruben Amorim.
Currently the team is led by an interim manager, Ruud Van Nistelroy.
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You can't judge a coach based on what they did in a smaller league because they never managed a team with this much finance, and this much expectation. Sporting has a much smaller economy, and facing against other much smaller economy teams as well, so they are not really on the same level.

United on the other hand has huge coffers, and they can spend over hundred million a year, and they are facing other teams which can do the same thing. If they wanted, City, United, Chelsea, Brighton, Newcastle, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, all of these can easily spend 100+ million ay ear, and that's just one league.

So, as you can see this isn't a simple job and we are talking about a bigger deal and we need to just focus on how this could change on the long term. I am guessing Amorim will have hard time, specially next year, when he is given that budget and he needs to find players. He will be shocked to learn, players that can be bought for 10 million in other clubs, will request 20 million or even 30 million from United, because they know they can afford it.
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When Liverpool went to recruit Arne Slot after Klopp retired as manager, that was what everyone assumed. Since Liverpool had to hire a new manager from a small league, many predicted that the team would have a tough season. However, the Premier League has more challenges than the other leagues. But Arne Slot proved us wrong that it makes no difference whether you choose a manager from a small league, the manager's experience will determine the outcome, Arne Slot and Ten Hag were hired from the same league, and Ten Hag didn't win many games in his first season as Slot, Liverpool has only lost one game since the start of the season.

Furthermore; his current team has yet to lose a league or Champions League match this season, I don't think Manchester United is making any mistakes by considering Amorim over other managers. I think it's a good idea for Manchester United to hire a young, talented manager like Rúben Amorim, I hope the deal gets done quickly because it will be exciting to watch the young manager lead Manchester United.
To be fair, we have seen Arne do good for the time being, and for the same reason we could say Erik Ten Hag had a great first season as well, he finished third, after taking over a team that did so bad they finished with interim manager previous season. Taking that team to third place was a great achievement and everyone was assuming Erik Ten Hag would be the next Alex Ferguson.

Look what happened now, dude is fired in a way where all the fans are literally out on streets celebrating, going from that to this is a huge step and it only happened in a bit over a season, from end of his first year, to start of his third year, it's that simple. So I think Arne Slot could be doing great now, and I believe he is doing much better than expected, but lets give him some time.
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The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.
I read in some media that Ruben Amorim managed to make Sporting dominate the league again after several previous seasons always being in the middle of the table. Of course the competition in the English league is different from the Portuguese league. The EPL has a high level of difficulty and of course this is a risky bet. However, I think one of the reasons Ruben Amorim was chosen is because he can play and maximize the available resources. This is important for United who have spent a lot of players in the transfer market this season. I don't think Ruben Amorim can improve the performance. But I expect them to perform better than when coached by Ten Hag.
If you look at Ten Hag's achievements at Ajax, he is better than Ruben Amorim at Sporting, but in fact after arriving at Old Trafford Ten Hag still has not been able to bring Man United to compete again in the EPL. Moreover, as you said, the competition in the English league with the Portuguese league is very different, this is extraordinary courage for Ruben Amorim who dares to take high risks. Hopefully he will not suffer the same fate as Ten Hag.

So far, Ruben Amorim, who is a coach who has a defensive tactical strategy and wing attacks, has finally box to box from every Sporting match. If you look at the system, it is very good to be applied at Man United. He only needs to adjust to the existing player material, and hopefully he can also fix the dressing room and the players are no longer selfish when playing. At Sporting he used a standard 3-4-3 formation, we hope he can quickly adapt to Man United and be able to restore Man United's glory.
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I heard the same things when ETH was appointed. It's not going well for him in the end, though. Although he has given Manchester United two trophies.

Let Amorim to prove his worthiness on his first season with Manchester United. Just stick to the facts. It's a different league and difficulty. The approach, gameplay, and decision-making are different, too.

Lastly, i think you were a bit unrealistic. You said he can maximize the available resources. He has yet to prove himself in the EPL. So, it's too fast to take such conclusion on him.

Anyone protesting against Amorim has every right to do that because I will think the same. Erik has faced Amorim twice home and away and gave them beating of their life and now he is coming to a club that has suffered one of the biggest losses in their first leg of the season, they someone who can change their game, their positions on the table and their performance of the players as well and not someone that will come and make it worse like Chelsea before Maresca took over.

The season isn't far yet but there is a lot of work that is going to be done before Manchester United will be able to come of out this. Even if Amorim should take over, the truth is that it is going to be difficult to come out of this tragedy of losses because he is going to be using the same players, no change for now except if there is a way they can bring in new men in January transfer, that's if there is money to do that since they are not selling anyone now.
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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.

In the Premier League there is Manchester City working like a perfect machine, Manchester United or any other team will always have very little chance. Arteta did great things for two seasons but in the end he lost. They'd have a better chance if they started by lobbying Pep to send him elsewhere... :)

I hope Ruben Amorim gives a chance to the players that ETH doesn't play. ETH seemed to have a personal bias against Altay Bayındır. Under Ruben Amorim footballers like Altay Bayındır might get a chance...
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There are 4 most awaited matches this weekend, regardless of the results of each team's matches in the previous week. Arsenal will again be tested for strength by Newcastle, while Liverpool will face Brighton. Chelsea and Manchester United are a fierce match, but Chelsea should be able to win the match when Manchester United is in their worst form. The Tottenham vs Aston Villa match will also be fierce, this is about the matches of the top teams at the moment.

Newcastle vs Arsenal
Liverpool vs Brighton
Tottenham vs Aston Villa
Manchester United vs Chelsea
In the match between Newcastle and Arsenal, I see Arsenal better.  But during the match Newcastle can win the match by scoring more goals due to their good performance.  So we should not consider Newcastle as weak even though their record is not that special. In the match between Liverpool and Brighton, Liverpool is the stronger team, because of which Brighton will lose.  But if Brighton play well and defend yourself, you can draw the match but not win.
The this coming weekend match won’t be easy for some teams, because they will be a tough matches in upcoming weekend which expecting those matches should be a tough competition, but for the Arsenal I don’t think they will find their match difficult to win: Because I’m seeing a Newcastle as a weak team even all though we should not consider them as a weak team, I don’t think they able to defeat Arsenal that can be possible.

Because I can see most of this upcoming weekend match mostly is the strong team are going to meet with the weak team, Even Liverpool and Brighton the match will not that difficult for Liverpool but let wait and see what Can actually happened in the weekend; since according to people that Brighton always make an powerful performance when they meet with strong teams.
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The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.
Somehow you're making a valid point but on the other hand it doesn't really depend on the size of the league where the coach comes from because even Jose Mourinho was brought in from the Portuguese league where he was incharge of FC Porto and he did very well with Chelsea winning some titles. I think we should rather focus on what the coach can offer, let's wait and see what his own football philosophy would look like, let's see if he would be the kind of coach that would discipline his players and also create a team that would turn out to be champions rather than worry about where he comes from.

It is not actually nice making some fast conclusion about a new coach that is yet to start work for the club he must have been assigned to manage. It is only bad and to think of a coach less since he hasn’t showcased what he’s capable of doing for the success of the club. The premier league is indeed more intense than the Portuguese league he’s currently managing a club in, but it doesn’t mean he won’t perform well if he comes to the premier league to manage a team. Such was Kompany spoke lowly of, but today he has been doing tremendously well for the Bayern Munich team and could continue of this success path till the end of the season. We just have to wait to see what he can do for Manchester United before we can make conclusions.
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The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.
Somehow you're making a valid point but on the other hand it doesn't really depend on the size of the league where the coach comes from because even Jose Mourinho was brought in from the Portuguese league where he was incharge of FC Porto and he did very well with Chelsea winning some titles. I think we should rather focus on what the coach can offer, let's wait and see what his own football philosophy would look like, let's see if he would be the kind of coach that would discipline his players and also create a team that would turn out to be champions rather than worry about where he comes from.
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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.
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The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.
I read in some media that Ruben Amorim managed to make Sporting dominate the league again after several previous seasons always being in the middle of the table. Of course the competition in the English league is different from the Portuguese league. The EPL has a high level of difficulty and of course this is a risky bet. However, I think one of the reasons Ruben Amorim was chosen is because he can play and maximize the available resources. This is important for United who have spent a lot of players in the transfer market this season. I don't think Ruben Amorim can improve the performance. But I expect them to perform better than when coached by Ten Hag.

Manchester United won’t settle for less in my opinion. With the money they’ve spent in the transfer window, it is very evident that they won’t want to get anything less than been great from the new coach. If he doesn’t have that quality as a manager to help peopel Manchester United in the league title fight, they won’t even consider to bring him in because it’ll just be a total waste of time and effort to them. They deserve more than what they got from Ten Hag after renewing his contract and buying players to add strength more to the team. Portuguese league is not as competitive as the premier league and as you’ve said, he may find it harder to manage Manchester United in this condition that the premier league is in now, he may fell to make them better even though he might not give them anything less than what Ten Hag did for them in the league before he was sacked.
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There are 4 most awaited matches this weekend, regardless of the results of each team's matches in the previous week. Arsenal will again be tested for strength by Newcastle, while Liverpool will face Brighton. Chelsea and Manchester United are a fierce match, but Chelsea should be able to win the match when Manchester United is in their worst form. The Tottenham vs Aston Villa match will also be fierce, this is about the matches of the top teams at the moment.

Newcastle vs Arsenal
Liverpool vs Brighton
Tottenham vs Aston Villa
Manchester United vs Chelsea
I agree with your opinion about the Arsenal and Liverpool matches with their opponents, and I will continue my opinion about the Tottenham vs Aston Villa match. I see Aston Villa has better abilities than Tottenham, but Tottenham as the home team will not let Aston Villa take home full points. The possibility of a draw is very large because Aston Villa is struggling with the top of the standings to keep playing consistently, while for Manchester United vs Chelsea I think Chelsea will beat this club which is in an unbalanced performance, especially after receiving news about Ten Hag's sudden dismissal, it must have made the players' mentality uncontrollable.
The match of Arsenal full strength team and Liverpool full strength team was good match and we enjoyed this match and that was two handed match and all players participated in this game by doing their effort for their team.  No player was prominent in this match who can claim the player of the match.  Anyway  ,stats was in the favour of Liverpool team and they  did well in all things and gave more passes and pass accuracy of that team was brilliant.Man United is good team as comparison to chelsea team because players of Man united team are full confident and they are ready to win this match but Chelsea recent performance is outclass.
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Amorim has managed to bring a lot of positive changes to Sporting Lisbon's performance so far and with his coaching ability has actually made Sporting Lisbon a dominating team in the Portuguese league, so I think he has great potential to bring positive changes to Manchester United later, He is has proven himself as a smart and adaptive coach at Sporting Lisbon, so with his ability to develop young players and maximize the resources that are there can be a lot of benefit for the Red Devils to rise again in premier league later , I totally agree with what you said, if the fierce competition and high pressure could be a tough test for Amorim at manchester United later, but even so, with his flexible tactical approach and his ability to adapt quickly, there is certainly a greater chance that we can see from his can to bring United in a better direction later.


Yesterday after it was confirmed that Ruben Amorim was going to be the next permanent manager of Manchester United, I read a reaction from a sports journalist who jokingly said that "With the arrival of Amorim, Pep Guardiola is now the second best manager in the English Premier League" and that I think explains how the Portuguese manager is valued. Despite being a young manager, he's proven to be very experienced and tactically incredible with intimidating records. I hope he brings the much anticipated exciting football that Manchester United fans have lacked since the club's legendary former manager Sir Alex Ferguson retired.
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The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.
I read in some media that Ruben Amorim managed to make Sporting dominate the league again after several previous seasons always being in the middle of the table. Of course the competition in the English league is different from the Portuguese league. The EPL has a high level of difficulty and of course this is a risky bet. However, I think one of the reasons Ruben Amorim was chosen is because he can play and maximize the available resources. This is important for United who have spent a lot of players in the transfer market this season. I don't think Ruben Amorim can improve the performance. But I expect them to perform better than when coached by Ten Hag.
Amorim has managed to bring a lot of positive changes to Sporting Lisbon's performance so far and with his coaching ability has actually made Sporting Lisbon a dominating team in the Portuguese league, so I think he has great potential to bring positive changes to Manchester United later, He is has proven himself as a smart and adaptive coach at Sporting Lisbon, so with his ability to develop young players and maximize the resources that are there can be a lot of benefit for the Red Devils to rise again in premier league later , I totally agree with what you said, if the fierce competition and high pressure could be a tough test for Amorim at manchester United later, but even so, with his flexible tactical approach and his ability to adapt quickly, there is certainly a greater chance that we can see from his can to bring United in a better direction later.

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The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.
The Portuguese league is important but it's actually not competitive as the English Premier League, besides there's heavy form of differences when we're siting these similarities. Erik Ten Hag couldn't deliver the job, more reason he's been relieved from his managerial role, now we looked at the board trying to securing another coach to do the proper job of the former one. Bringing in Ruben Amorim to England for what exactly? Manchester United have targets this season and bringing in another manager that handles the average league is everything that matters for the club? Manchester United scouting list doesn't exert their tasks properly because there's more to accomplish.

If Manchester United succeeds in signing Ruben Amorim as headcoach for the club, I guessed the club and supporters should give him more time, because it's definitely not going to be an easy run as usual. The high intensity of pressure and expectations from him wouldn't suit in the picture, more to accomplish for the manager but they should placed all hope on the presented game strategy of the new boss when he arrives at Old Trafford.

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