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Quote from: mamesso on November 01, 2024, 03:33:06 AM

Manchester United identity has changed completely since Alex Ferguson decided to retire in 2013. Eight managers (three of them interim managers) have been chosen as Ferguson's successors, but all of them ended in failure, including Mourinho who managed to deliver the Europa League and FA Cup titles. Now Rúben Amorim is trying his luck at Old Trafford, he will make his debut on November 24 against Ipswich Town. MU contracted him until June 2027, they also had to pay €10 million as his release clause from Sporting.

Sir Alex Ferguson is the past and the past is only a story. What is important is the present and the future.
A series of names of coaches after Sir Alex Ferguson can indeed be considered to have failed in achieving the desired targets. For me, when the shadow of the past story is always a benchmark, then it is burdensome for the coach's psychology.

Ruben Amorim could be one of the coaches who will be challenged to reap success at Old Trafford, I hope so, but I doubt it and it is likely that his fate will be the same if the past story continues to be used as a target. It's okay, but it has to be realistic.

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Quote from: Lidger on October 31, 2024, 11:42:53 PM

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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.

Manchester United have hired and fired several managers at their club in the last few seasons for success but none of the managers have achieved anything good for Manchester United. Recently Manchester United sacked Ten Hag although the manager was given enough time to prove himself before the sacking but even after that time the manager was never able to do anything good for Manchester United.

Manchester United identity has changed completely since Alex Ferguson decided to retire in 2013. Eight managers (three of them interim managers) have been chosen as Ferguson's successors, but all of them ended in failure, including Mourinho who managed to deliver the Europa League and FA Cup titles. Now Rúben Amorim is trying his luck at Old Trafford, he will make his debut on November 24 against Ipswich Town. MU contracted him until June 2027, they also had to pay €10 million as his release clause from Sporting.

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Quote from: Die_empty on November 01, 2024, 12:27:29 AM

Chelsea will be favourites to win the games considering the change of United's management and their poor runs this season. But it seems Manchester United players are highly motivated and want to prove a point. I will bet on Chelsea but anything can happen.

Best bet would be for the both sides to score themselves on Sunday but then, you shouldn't forget that with the disastrous form of Manchester wherever they meet clubs like Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal they always sit up. Rudd will be in charge and I don't see him losing that game, I see what he's trying to do to fight for a place as assistant manager when the new manager comes into the club. In my head, it'll be a double loss for Chelsea, losing to Newcastle United and then to Manchester United again at Old Trafford. It could most likely be a 2-0 game.

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Manchester United sacked Erik Ten Hag and now settles for Ruud van Nistelrooy as temporary headcoach, he has good vision and his plans to execute them wouldn't be any problem. As for the Sporting headcoach, Ruben Amorim will coming to Old Trafford November and that puts him in good stands to obtained the necessary important winnings for the club.

Ruud van Nistelrooy will face Chelsea because Amorim schedule takes over the team at the end of November, precisely when playing against Ipswich Town, so I think it's quite difficult to have a tough match at Old Trafford this weekend. Chelsea is not an easy team to beat, they are gradually improving and under the guidance of Enzo Maresca all the players seem to show significant changes, as a result I can't expect more from the hosts. Ruud van Nistelrooy needs a little miracle to be able to match Chelsea later.

Ruben Amorim said he would make a clarification about his move to Manchester United after Sporting Lisbon's game against Estrela today. Manchester United and Sporting have not also made any announcement which means negotiations are still ongoing. The coach is expected to resume during the international break between 11-19 November. This means Amorim will be in charge of his club for the games with Manchester City and Braga. On the other hand. Ruud van Nistelrooy will have to handle United for all the games till the new coach comes in.

Chelsea will be favourites to win the games considering the change of United's management and their poor runs this season. But it seems Manchester United players are highly motivated and want to prove a point. I will bet on Chelsea but anything can happen.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on October 30, 2024, 11:56:33 AM

I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.

Manchester United have hired and fired several managers at their club in the last few seasons for success but none of the managers have achieved anything good for Manchester United. Recently Manchester United sacked Ten Hag although the manager was given enough time to prove himself before the sacking but even after that time the manager was never able to do anything good for Manchester United.

Now there are many rumors about who will be the next manager of Manchester United and many names of managers are coming in all these rumors but in the end it is certain which manager will take over the responsibility of Manchester United but no news has been received. Whoever takes charge of Manchester United will first try to groom the team and then prepare the team for the big matches.

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Quote from: Obari on October 31, 2024, 12:34:01 PM

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Manchester United sacked Erik Ten Hag and now settles for Ruud van Nistelrooy as temporary headcoach, he has good vision and his plans to execute them wouldn't be any problem. As for the Sporting headcoach, Ruben Amorim will coming to Old Trafford November and that puts him in good stands to obtained the necessary important winnings for the club.

Ruud van Nistelrooy will face Chelsea because Amorim schedule takes over the team at the end of November, precisely when playing against Ipswich Town, so I think it's quite difficult to have a tough match at Old Trafford this weekend. Chelsea is not an easy team to beat, they are gradually improving and under the guidance of Enzo Maresca all the players seem to show significant changes, as a result I can't expect more from the hosts. Ruud van Nistelrooy needs a little miracle to be able to match Chelsea later.

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Quote from: blue Snow on October 27, 2024, 07:02:21 PM

Liverpool is also under pressure to hold on 1st stand. This shows how hard Liverpool try to equalize the score with the Parking Bus scheme where arsenal implementing it to hold their winning. When I look how hard to destroy the arsenal defense, Liverpool only rely on counter attacks, and finally succeeded after Darwin Nunez got Assist form Diaz, and to be fed to Mohammed Salah to equalize the score. Now, Liverpool's position was also shifted by Manchester City, it is becomes difficult to get it back, Liverpool are just waiting for the city lost it draw on next match which I thing it's look the mission impossible when they was on 1st stand premier league.

Honestly, for me Nuñez was the figure of the match, there is no other way, everyone played wonderfully, but I didn't see Luchito very well, and it's strange because he is very motivated, now with Mo Salah he is practically the hero of Liverpool, he's a great player with an incredible vision of football and his great plays, for me the best of the match was him, the Uruguayan was very focused, he was, however, plugged in and hot with the vision of goal, it was the most exciting match of the day, I think many were waiting for this match and boy was the wait worth it.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on October 31, 2024, 03:25:51 PM

Reaching to a point where United literally sacked Erik Ten Hag when they just did contract extension so recently, we need to realize that this isn't an acceptable situation at all and we are talking about a bigger deal here. We need to consider how things needs to be different this time around and they need to do a lot better.

I personally believe the best thing to do right now would be give him some time, but they can spare like at most a month, after that they need to see some results, otherwise things will not be simple at all because if they keep doing badly then they are not going to be happy with what they have at all, we need to consider how Amorim took on a job that will literally put his entire future at risk.

It is not easy to manage a club who have a great history in the past. Observers and fans will always compare a coach with the previous one who had the best performance in managing a club. This was once conveyed by Mourinho when he coached MU. The fans always compare him with Alex who has a different strategy and management in arranging MU, so that situation makes him get tense must be in accordance with what observers and fans expected. so when it is not in accordance with, they asked for him to be fired immediately.

So I think, everything must be move on, We must be realistic with what is manchester united has today, and don't expect too much if Amorim can fix it, because the current squad also not very good, that should be fixed immediately either along with new coach.

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Quote from: len01 on October 31, 2024, 09:36:02 AM

After reading the many praises given to Man United and also the pride of Ten Hag dismissal which gave a positive result in yesterday's match, do you have confidence in the upcoming match that Man United can win against Chelsea? Even the bookmakers give the same odds between MU and Chelsea. Do you have a prediction in this match?

Manchester United football team is great and they played well in last match and did 5 goals in this match .Casemiro did 2 goals and he was top scorer and gave more passes in this match and I am expecting that that he will play well against Chelsea team . That match will be high voltage match but Manchester United team will win this match because they got good rhythm after Ten hag dismissel. Man United players are full confident and they are playing free of pressure and againt Chelsea they will play more batter and that will make winner.Every sportsman want to win the matches but Manchester United team has good side of players which are enthusiastic and they can play in any situation.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on October 31, 2024, 05:12:06 PM

Ruben Amorim has an impressive record but he has not managed a club as big as Manchester United. His unique ability to read the game and make tactical adjustments makes him an improvement to Erik Ten Hag, and he’s also one of the most sought-after coaches. All of this suggests that Manchester United’s decision to hire him will bring great value to the club and help restore Manchester United to where they belong.

All the suggested coaches are not as good as Ruben Amorim based on the stats and how his team is doing very well in their league.

Based on the performance Ten Hag displayed throughout his time in Manchester United, he can do better than Ten Hag even though coaching big teams is quite different from coaching average teams. But with the team United have now, the manager can make good adjustments as quick as possible to make the team better and recover soon before getting worse.

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Quote from: tusandii on October 30, 2024, 11:06:40 PM

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The difficulty level of the Premier League is much higher than the Portuguese League. That's why Amorim, like Ten Hag who was brought from Ajax, may not give a good image. Manchester United is taking a big risk. They are bringing a coach from a small league to the team again. I thought they realized this mistake and would not make it again, I can say that I am very surprised.

Well this is exactly as I said before and but it has been covered with some new pages and I'm too lazy to look for it Cheesy

, the possibility of Ruben Amorim is not much different from Erik Ten Hag because in reality coaching a club as big as Manchester United is not easy, it requires a coach who has above average abilities and has experience coaching big clubs, replacing Erik Ten Hag with Ruben Amorim is like replacing an old mistake with a new mistake, I think Man United will regret being too quick in making a decision without reconsidering their decision to recruit that coach.

Ruben Amorim has an impressive record but he has not managed a club as big as Manchester United. His unique ability to read the game and make tactical adjustments makes him an improvement to Erik Ten Hag, and he’s also one of the most sought-after coaches. All of this suggests that Manchester United’s decision to hire him will bring great value to the club and help restore Manchester United to where they belong.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on October 31, 2024, 03:25:51 PM

Reaching to a point where United literally sacked Erik Ten Hag when they just did contract extension so recently, we need to realize that this isn't an acceptable situation at all and we are talking about a bigger deal here. We need to consider how things needs to be different this time around and they need to do a lot better.

I personally believe the best thing to do right now would be give him some time, but they can spare like at most a month, after that they need to see some results, otherwise things will not be simple at all because if they keep doing badly then they are not going to be happy with what they have at all, we need to consider how Amorim took on a job that will literally put his entire future at risk.

I think it's over and Erik ten Hag has been fired and that's the policy implemented by Manchester United management. If we talk about a second chance or giving Erik time, of course that has been done by Manchester United management but the results have not improved so their best step is to separate and Manchester United will look for a new coach this season. Apart from that, Erik ten Hag's performance has declined quite a bit this season because he failed to improve the quality of his players and also the bad results were the main reason Manchester United fired him.

In yesterday's match, Manchester United was led by Ruud van Nistelrooy and it was seen that Manchester United players enjoyed Ruud van Nistelrooy's strategy more than Erik ten Hag. Because in that match they were able to record the biggest win this season. It was a surprise because under the new coach Manchester United's playing style has become better than before, I think the management acted quite right to fire Erik ten Hag.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on October 31, 2024, 02:23:40 PM

You were not really making any sense in the most part of your comment, you wish Arsenal had won the match because they don't deserve to loose, and at the same time, Liverpool also don't deserve to loose either, and you wish they had won Huh

, are you new to football?

Maybe he made a mistake when writing the post, or maybe he lacks knowledge about football, maybe he just decides to post just to complete the signature post because it’s not possible for two teams playing against each other to win, is either one of them losing or they play drawing? How will you wish two teams playing against each other to win? It’s not possible.

Arsenal and Liverpool both played well in the match, and Arsenal performed above my expectations, because since they are facing some injury problems, I expected their performance to drop in the match, but they played well and were able to get a draw in the match, which really affected Liverpool because the first position has been taken from them by Manchester City.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on October 28, 2024, 03:27:39 PM

There are 4 most awaited matches this weekend, regardless of the results of each team's matches in the previous week. Arsenal will again be tested for strength by Newcastle, while Liverpool will face Brighton. Chelsea and Manchester United are a fierce match, but Chelsea should be able to win the match when Manchester United is in their worst form. The Tottenham vs Aston Villa match will also be fierce, this is about the matches of the top teams at the moment.

Newcastle vs Arsenal
Liverpool vs Brighton
Tottenham vs Aston Villa
Manchester United vs Chelsea

Starting with the Newcastle vs. Arsenal match, I’m confident Arsenal will come out on top. Newcastle are no match for Arsenal, who have proven themselves as a real force in the Premier League. With their star player back and even scoring against Liverpool, they’ll be heading to St. James’ Park with high morale to face a less consistent Newcastle side.

When Liverpool takes on Brighton, they’ll be eager to make up for dropping points against Arsenal. At Anfield, they should be able to secure all three points, along with a few goals.

The Tottenham vs. Aston Villa match will likely be competitive. Without their captain Son Heung-min, Tottenham may struggle, especially against an in-form Aston Villa side with a striker like Jhon Duran, who can cause them trouble.

Lastly, the clash between Manchester United and Chelsea might be the weekend’s standout fixture. Many might pick Chelsea as favorites, but that would have changed since Manchester United seem to have improved since they parted ways with Erik Ten Hag. Given the long history of rivalry between the two team, I expect this match to end in a draw.

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Reaching to a point where United literally sacked Erik Ten Hag when they just did contract extension so recently, we need to realize that this isn't an acceptable situation at all and we are talking about a bigger deal here. We need to consider how things needs to be different this time around and they need to do a lot better.

I personally believe the best thing to do right now would be give him some time, but they can spare like at most a month, after that they need to see some results, otherwise things will not be simple at all because if they keep doing badly then they are not going to be happy with what they have at all, we need to consider how Amorim took on a job that will literally put his entire future at risk.

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Quote from: Docnaster on October 30, 2024, 11:30:32 AM

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Amorim has managed to bring a lot of positive changes to Sporting Lisbon's performance so far and with his coaching ability has actually made Sporting Lisbon a dominating team in the Portuguese league, so I think he has great potential to bring positive changes to Manchester United later, He is has proven himself as a smart and adaptive coach at Sporting Lisbon, so with his ability to develop young players and maximize the resources that are there can be a lot of benefit for the Red Devils to rise again in premier league later , I totally agree with what you said, if the fierce competition and high pressure could be a tough test for Amorim at manchester United later, but even so, with his flexible tactical approach and his ability to adapt quickly, there is certainly a greater chance that we can see from his can to bring United in a better direction later.

Yesterday after it was confirmed that Ruben Amorim was going to be the next permanent manager of Manchester United, I read a reaction from a sports journalist who jokingly said that "With the arrival of Amorim, Pep Guardiola is now the second best manager in the English Premier League" and that I think explains how the Portuguese manager is valued. Despite being a young manager, he's proven to be very experienced and tactically incredible with intimidating records. I hope he brings the much anticipated exciting football that Manchester United fans have lacked since the club's legendary former manager Sir Alex Ferguson retired.

The prospect of Ruben Amorim becoming Manchester United's next permanent manager is exciting for both the club and its supporters. While Amorim boasts an impressive record in his previous club, I don’t believe he has what it takes to go head-to-head with Pep Guardiola in the Premier League. It’s an expensive joke, Pep Guardiola has almost transformed a once fiercely competitive league into a farmers league.

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Quote from: Tony116 on October 31, 2024, 12:48:41 PM

Aston Villa should have won against Bournemouth. Now I understand that they at least got one point but it is definitely not enough. They should have been able to win. If they are unable to win these kinds of matches, they are not going to be able to stay in the top four positions of the table. If they were able to win this match they could have gone ahead of Arsenal and on the third position of the table. But they have lost that chance. Still, they have a chance though because they are just behind on goal difference compared to Arsenal. Aston Villa has to be much more consistent. Because the competition is only going to get harder for the top 4 position

The game didn't go as they plan, that's football but we have to admit Bournemouth cab be one hell of a team, though are mid, they are still very troublesome and we saw how difficult it was for Chelsea to get all 3 points from the with a 1 goal to nil win, they got the better of Arsenal, with a 2 goals win.

Aston Villa will be disappointed that they didn't take their chances well and more importantly considering a extra time goal in the second half, yesterday they lost against Crystal Palace in the Carabao cup and now they have to play against Tottenham who won against Manchester City in the same Carabao cup yesterday.

Though I think Aston Villa may get back at winning ways against Tottenham this weekend, since they're more consistent than the Spurs team.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on October 31, 2024, 02:38:54 AM

I think we fail to acknowledge one glaring fact of players' willingness or non willingness to support the new manager/coach.
This should be a concern for Amorim, because it is until the coach has warmed up to the players currently in the squad and have bonded with them that he can do and know which players needs to be sold or transferred for free.
The goal will remain same for him and that's to bring Manchester United to the top of the table and make them qualify seasonally for the champions League which is the hottest cake for professional footballers.

This is going to be the biggest task Amorim will face and it could make or break the entire season as well. If players are happy with him, then they are going to do fine, back in the day when Mourinho was here and Bruno was a star, they had this Portuguese team, a few players there, and now they are mostly Dutch and the Dutch dude left. So, if those player are mad that Amorim took their coaches position, they will be pretty upset and not play well and not get along with the coach as well.

So, we are going to see a bit back to Portugal from them probably, they are going to wait until summer for that though, maybe one or two small transfers during January but that's it. They need to figure out players that will play well for Amorim and listen to him and care about him. Doesn't matter where that player is from, if a Dutch one does that then that's fine too but they have to care about what he says at all times.

This is a big risk they are taking right now, and I have no idea how this will end up. It could be a great deal and they could start winning plenty of games, or it could be a very bad decision and they could end up with a bunch of terrible results again which will not be ok at all.

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Quote from: Texac on October 31, 2024, 12:13:53 PM

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Arsenal and Liverpool played against each other in the Premier League where Arsenal managed to score two goals against Liverpool while Liverpool managed to score two goals against Arsenal. We've seen Liverpool and Arsenal play a lot of attacking football but neither team has been able to get that much against each other. A personal win against Liverpool would have put them in a better position on the points table but they were not able to do so but thanks to Liverpool and Arsenal for putting on a good game.

I honestly thought Arsenal might be able to actually win this match. But the player that was supposed to leave the Liverpool club, Salah, saved Liverpool in the 81st minute. But honestly, Liverpool didn't deserve to lose this match in my opinion. They have played well in this match. Actually, I am going to say that neither of these two teams deserved to lose this match. A win was needed for Arsenal though. Because the point difference between them and Liverpool is 4. Now Arsenal is going to be under pressure from Chelsea and Aston Villa. Liverpool is playing really well by the way. This is one match that they have drawn remaining quite a few consistently.

You were not really making any sense in the most part of your comment, you wish Arsenal had won the match because they don't deserve to loose, and at the same time, Liverpool also don't deserve to loose either, and you wish they had won Huh

, are you new to football?

Anyways, in a case like this, like in a game where both club playing against each other must win because non of the them deserve to lose, what can or do we refer a "draw" as? Do we say that both club ended winning? Or they both ended up losing?
Asking genuinely... 😁

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Quote from: Moreno233 on October 31, 2024, 12:42:56 PM

Manchester United wouldn't have rushed to hire a new coach when they have Ruud Van Nistelrooy, a player that made his mark in the team and have the United spirit of sportsmanship. They would have tried him a couple of times to see if he is capable of handling the team or not before opting for a new coach from and entirely new background. Just one match of him handling the team, he was able to motivate the boys to get five goals, a result ETH rarely have. I have the confidence that he would have been a nice substitute for ETH for the mean team maybe until January when they will be able to evaluate him using many matches he would have played.

While Manchester United may have outclassed Leicester City under interim coach Ruud van Nistelrooy in their recent EFL Cup match, I don’t believe that’s enough reason to consider him for the permanent role. Manchester United is a big club, and they shouldn’t be swayed by sentiments just because Ruud van Nistelrooy is a club legend. Manchester United are in a very bad place right now, they cannot afford to take their chances with Ruud van Nistelrooy.

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