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Topic: PRISM - Who else is disgusted by this? - page 12. (Read 41124 times)

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“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake.
We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power.
What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing.
All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites.
The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives.
They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal.

We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”
― George Orwell, 1984

Information is power. People censoring themselfes because of the risk of being spied on is power. The power elite has never been this powerful and Im afriad the point of no return is passed. We are so dependent on technology nowdays that technology is used to enslave the mind of humanity rather than liberating us. We are in this digital mind prison for many years to come. Maybe "singularity" will liberate us, or maybe it will enslave our minds even further.

We might even be presented with an option by the future power elite: Join the Matrix where you can be as free as you want to be, you can do whatever you want without any rules or any punishment, but there is a price: your physical body and your physical awareness will be kept hostage for your entire life. You can escape the real world and let us rule the physical world while you are asleep dreaming in the Matrix world for ever and ever.

Addendum: We may already be living in a simulated matrix world, but this world is a nightmare instead of a cute dream. Adding another matrix world in this world creates something like the dream-in-dream-in-dream... concept of the movie Inception. We may escape reality deeper and deeper without ever really feeling satisfied...
legendary
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"We now live in a nation where doctors destroy health, lawyers
destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy
freedom, the press destroys information, religions destroy morals and
our banks destroy the economy"

- Chris Hedges

Sounds about right to me.
legendary
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It's violating everyone's rights. They can see anything they want. There's not much we can do to protect ourselves right now. If you push enough of their buttons you'll inevitably get an unwanted knock at your door


What did you think?
That US gov was spying noone?

Clearly they've always been shady. This is just taking it to an entirely new level.
newbie
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Disgusted yes, is anyone actually surprised?
legendary
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"We now live in a nation where doctors destroy health, lawyers
destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy
freedom, the press destroys information, religions destroy morals and
our banks destroy the economy"

- Chris Hedges
sr. member
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It's violating everyone's rights. They can see anything they want. There's not much we can do to protect ourselves right now. If you push enough of their buttons you'll inevitably get an unwanted knock at your door


What did you think?
That US gov was spying noone?
legendary
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China, the enemy that finances the US govt and it's war machine. 
Nothing BUT complex and nuanced on both sides of that equation.  But we could all agree that the trend over say the last 50 years looks pretty darn good.
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I like Snowden going to Ecuador as opposed to a major historical, if not current, enemy such as China or Russia.

Lot of people screamed and showed a lot of anger at little things Bush did, most of them are strikingly silent today.  Well, Snowden, like him or not, wasn't silent.

China, the enemy that finances the US govt and it's war machine. 
legendary
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Nobody saw the irony of Ecuador offering development aid to the USA? Wink
legendary
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(Reuters) - Ecuador's leftist government thumbed its nose at Washington on Thursday by renouncing U.S. trade benefits and offering to pay for human rights training in America in response to pressure over asylum for former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.

The angry response threatens a showdown between the two nations over Snowden, and may burnish President Rafael Correa's credentials to be the continent's principal challenger of U.S. power after the death of Venezuelan socialist leader Hugo Chavez.

"Ecuador will not accept pressures or threats from anyone, and it does not traffic in its values or allow them to be subjugated to mercantile interests," government spokesman Fernando Alvarado said at a news conference.

In a cheeky jab at the U.S. spying program that Snowden unveiled through leaks to the media, the South American nation offered $23 million per year to finance human rights training.



Yay a country that cares  Smiley

Or at least appears to.
legendary
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I would be if this was anything new.

Communications in the USSA have been monitored since the invention of the telegraph.

This is true but it's being taken to a new level now.
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(Reuters) - Ecuador's leftist government thumbed its nose at Washington on Thursday by renouncing U.S. trade benefits and offering to pay for human rights training in America in response to pressure over asylum for former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.

The angry response threatens a showdown between the two nations over Snowden, and may burnish President Rafael Correa's credentials to be the continent's principal challenger of U.S. power after the death of Venezuelan socialist leader Hugo Chavez.

"Ecuador will not accept pressures or threats from anyone, and it does not traffic in its values or allow them to be subjugated to mercantile interests," government spokesman Fernando Alvarado said at a news conference.

In a cheeky jab at the U.S. spying program that Snowden unveiled through leaks to the media, the South American nation offered $23 million per year to finance human rights training.



I like Snowden going to Ecuador as opposed to a major historical, if not current, enemy such as China or Russia.

Lot of people screamed and showed a lot of anger at little things Bush did, most of them are strikingly silent today.  Well, Snowden, like him or not, wasn't silent.
legendary
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(Reuters) - Ecuador's leftist government thumbed its nose at Washington on Thursday by renouncing U.S. trade benefits and offering to pay for human rights training in America in response to pressure over asylum for former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.

The angry response threatens a showdown between the two nations over Snowden, and may burnish President Rafael Correa's credentials to be the continent's principal challenger of U.S. power after the death of Venezuelan socialist leader Hugo Chavez.

"Ecuador will not accept pressures or threats from anyone, and it does not traffic in its values or allow them to be subjugated to mercantile interests," government spokesman Fernando Alvarado said at a news conference.

In a cheeky jab at the U.S. spying program that Snowden unveiled through leaks to the media, the South American nation offered $23 million per year to finance human rights training.

legendary
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I would be if this was anything new.

Communications in the USSA have been monitored since the invention of the telegraph.
newbie
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It is clear that PRISM was aimed at people who communicate with outside of US. Intelligence is a dirty business, all methods are game. Blackmail and corruption are flagship practices. Privacy of communications is small fish in this game.

What is disgusting is that program apparently lacked safeguards against abuse. What is more warring is that people did not care to include them in the design. Apparent is total lack of accountability, probably because system was classified. Lapse is really significant, because a foreign mole inside PRISM would could actually spy on Americans and do serious damage.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

So much irony here posting this on the internet for others to see. I am disgusted. This year is 2013, next year will be 1984.

It truly is disgusting.. The internet is the last free place in the world. We bitcoiners intend to keep it as such.
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No, this is a presumption and it is not necessarily true.

And think of what communication could be hidden in spam.

At least we've found some use for SPAM:

It complicates the NSA data filtering work because SPAM volume is greater than 90% of the world's sent messages nowadays.  Tongue
legendary
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Yes!  People are just pretending to care about what the NSA is doing, while their actions say they don't give a crap about what happens to their private data.

Emailing, skyping, and searching isn't indicative of a lack of giving a crap. 

Email is unfortunately the most unsecure form of communication which most noobs are unaware of.
When a few people use PGP encryption that makes them a minority that easily can be monitored, on other areas where they cannot hide.
So while the noobs dont care or dont know about encryption they also unknowingly sabotage for the few that care.
No, this is a presumption and it is not necessarily true.

And think of what communication could be hidden in spam.
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Yes!  People are just pretending to care about what the NSA is doing, while their actions say they don't give a crap about what happens to their private data.

Emailing, skyping, and searching isn't indicative of a lack of giving a crap. 

Email is unfortunately the most unsecure form of communication which most noobs are unaware of.
When a few people use PGP encryption that makes them a minority that easily can be monitored, on other areas where they cannot hide.
So while the noobs dont care or dont know about encryption they also unknowingly sabotage for the few that care.
legendary
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Yes!  People are just pretending to care about what the NSA is doing, while their actions say they don't give a crap about what happens to their private data.

Emailing, skyping, and searching isn't indicative of a lack of giving a crap. 

Unfortunately it's difficult to be functional on the internet and avoid all of the large companies that are partnered with the US government on PRISM.

I know there isn't a whole lot I can do myself to make a change. My primary focus is trying to educate others the best I can on how this affects their lives as well.
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