Topic: PRISM - Who else is disgusted by this? - page 10. (Read 41153 times)

Ya, I am totally disgusted by the NSA surveillance program. The scary thing is that the United States NSA PRIZM spying program goes way further than American soil.  By spying on Yahoo mail, Hotmail and Google searches and Dropbox they are essentially spying on the world, you know how many people from other countries use these online services.

Here is a WIRED magazine article that will scare anyone who reads it.

http://www.moneyaccumulator.com/1151/the-nsa-is-building-the-country%E2%80%99s-biggest-spy-center-spying-on-the-world/

I have already taken many steps detailed in this other article, I have changed from Dropbox  to Mega.co.nz.
I don't use Google search anymore... I use Startpage.com, it's google without the spying.  I use Torbrowser for all my surfing, now the only thing I have to do is get off damn YAHOO mail...I am looking for alternative right now.

Other article: http://www.moneyaccumulator.com/1062/avoid-u-s-gov-snooping-nsa-prizm-move-away-from-cloud-services-that-allow-nsa-backdoor/

Have a read.

CryptoCoinMKT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

So much irony here posting this on the internet for others to see. I am disgusted. This year is 2013, next year will be 1984.

Friday July 12, 15:00 UTC

Hello. My name is Ed Snowden. A little over one month ago, I had family, a home in paradise, and I lived in great comfort. I also had the capability without any warrant to search for, seize, and read your communications. Anyone’s communications at any time. That is the power to change people’s fates.

It is also a serious violation of the law. The 4th and 5th Amendments to the Constitution of my country, Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and numerous statutes and treaties forbid such systems of massive, pervasive surveillance. While the US Constitution marks these programs as illegal, my government argues that secret court rulings, which the world is not permitted to see, somehow legitimize an illegal affair. These rulings simply corrupt the most basic notion of justice – that it must be seen to be done. The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law.

I believe in the principle declared at Nuremberg in 1945: "Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore individual citizens have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring."

Accordingly, I did what I believed right and began a campaign to correct this wrongdoing. I did not seek to enrich myself. I did not seek to sell US secrets. I did not partner with any foreign government to guarantee my safety. Instead, I took what I knew to the public, so what affects all of us can be discussed by all of us in the light of day, and I asked the world for justice.

That moral decision to tell the public about spying that affects all of us has been costly, but it was the right thing to do and I have no regrets.

Since that time, the government and intelligence services of the United States of America have attempted to make an example of me, a warning to all others who might speak out as I have. I have been made stateless and hounded for my act of political expression. The United States Government has placed me on no-fly lists. It demanded Hong Kong return me outside of the framework of its laws, in direct violation of the principle of non-refoulement – the Law of Nations. It has threatened with sanctions countries who would stand up for my human rights and the UN asylum system. It has even taken the unprecedented step of ordering military allies to ground a Latin American president’s plane in search for a political refugee. These dangerous escalations represent a threat not just to the dignity of Latin America, but to the basic rights shared by every person, every nation, to live free from persecution, and to seek and enjoy asylum.

Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.

I announce today my formal acceptance of all offers of support or asylum I have been extended and all others that may be offered in the future. With, for example, the grant of asylum provided by Venezuela’s President Maduro, my asylee status is now formal, and no state has a basis by which to limit or interfere with my right to enjoy that asylum. As we have seen, however, some governments in Western European and North American states have demonstrated a willingness to act outside the law, and this behavior persists today. This unlawful threat makes it impossible for me to travel to Latin America and enjoy the asylum granted there in accordance with our shared rights.

This willingness by powerful states to act extra-legally represents a threat to all of us, and must not be allowed to succeed. Accordingly, I ask for your assistance in requesting guarantees of safe passage from the relevant nations in securing my travel to Latin America, as well as requesting asylum in Russia until such time as these states accede to law and my legal travel is permitted. I will be submitting my request to Russia today, and hope it will be accepted favorably.

If you have any questions, I will answer what I can.

Thank you.

MIT's Immersion project sifts your Gmail, and constructs a map of your associations. Without opening a single message, it gives a clear view of who you connect with. It's a glimpse of some of what the NSA PRISM can do. From the article: 'You can assume that if the NSA is looking at your email, the information in Immersion is similar to what they will see. Consider that they probably see all of your email addresses (and not just Gmail) and that the metadata is examined along with the metadata from everyone you’ve corresponded with, and you can see just how much can be inferred from this data alone.

A state that views its own citizens as a threat do not represent the people anymore but is more like an occupying force that needs to oppress people in order to keep the power.
Such power structure is not sustainable historically.

When a state SAYS it must "fight against T", that is synonymous with saying it must fight against the power of the individual, as the increased power of the individual today is at the root of tactics of T.  But this duality between state and individual is not new.  Obviously we're doing slightly better than a few centuries ago when every man was conscripted into the King's army as a foot soldier and sentenced to a short and brutal life.

Just a note - is this exactly right?

If we are looking at the breakdown of the rule of law, who has access is anyone with pull who conspires to get access.  That may not be the "party in power", right?  Yes they might see this as useful in an election or for coercion or threats.

But in such circumstances, numerous others might have access - simply stated, access would be for sale.  It might even be more accurate to say that it was simply for sale....to the party in power.

As a long-time heavy user of Skype, Facebook & many of Googles products I find PRISM absolutely outrageous. To think that the US Government has had unlimited and un-scrutinized access to most of my personal data is terrifying. I don't have anything to hide, though that is not the point. This is pure, unadulterated abuse of power.

Whichever political party leads the United States now essentially has the power to read their opponents emails, listen to their phone calls and intercept sexy pictures from their wives. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that this is very wrong and potentially could have huge implications.

Not sure if this has been posted here, but this is a good summary of what PRISM is and and how it works. What is PRISM?

I think that the biggest problem our leadership (in the US) has with terrorism is that there is not enough for them to achieve their goals.  They practically have to strap dummy vests on borderline retard kids themselves in order to catch any 'terrorists' and get a good scare going among the plebs in these lean times.

A vastly bigger threat of harm to me is corruption and mis-management of my tax dollars, and that is where surveillance is of genuine value.  Here's the policy I would put in place if I had my way:

 - Anyone who wishes to work in the government at a management or higher level submits to surveillance.  Those who don't wish to submit are free to resign.  They will receive full pensions as promised...unless 'austerity' intervenes...

 - The records accumulated since the spying went into place are preened of all but government official's data and one degree of linkage.

 - The entire ball of wax is open-sourced for analysis by interested taxpayers.

I would also not only fully pardon Manning and Snowden and the rest of the whistleblowers but ask them to become high ranking officials in an honest and honorable government.

My opinion:
The fear of T is most probably only a false fear to maximize control over the society through surveillance.

But even If the threat of T is real, the threatened state must solve the cause of T instead of fighting it. The only solution to conflicts are understanding and patience, not fear and war. But peace is less profitable than war and fear, so the latter solution wins.

The fat middle is now accepting that the surveillance is necessary to fight terrorism and Snowden should not have given away 'our' secrets.  So they will also probably accept that steps to keep terrorists from making and end-run around the system are also necessary.  Only about 5% of people are aware of what cryptography actually is anyway, and only about 15% even have the native intellect to do so if they tried.  My estimates.

NSA Recruiters vs students  (Audio Only)

Students 1  /  NSA 0

https://soundcloud.com/madiha-1/students-question-the-nsa-at

This is awesome and hilarious.  Wow what horseshit.  I can't believe the people working for the NSA dilute themselves enough to believe what theyre saying...... yikes.

Good luck finding an ISP or telco operating in the US that won't give up your data when asked. Using linux won't stop that.

NSA Recruiters vs students  (Audio Only)


Students 1  /  NSA 0

https://soundcloud.com/madiha-1/students-question-the-nsa-at