Topic: PRISM - Who else is disgusted by this? - page 4. (Read 41153 times)

Sorry to hear you were affected directly.

I just looked at your thread and posted a link there that says Silent Circle is reportedly down now also.

Dark times for humanity.

You might write the website owner and ask him if you can get a dump of your files.

No harm in asking.  It was your stuff.

I guess.

I'm sorry to hear that.

i already made a thread about lavabit because i'm a victim  

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lavabit-closes-down-270258

I've been following it and am not at all surprised.  It's what I've been harping on for some time...if the US doesn't like something on the Internet, the pressure which can be brought to bare against it is greater than most people imagine.  Especially young  males.  It is why I feel that Bitcoin should be actively forming a hardened shell.  The strategy of getting the the US government to 'like' Bitcoin as a means of protection is probably a losing strategy in the end.

Bitcoin cannot be killed, but it can be forced into a role where it is used only by highly technical individuals...and very brave ones at that.

it cannot be!!!! i had several accounts there!!! oh my fucking jesus holy fucked motherfuckkers!!!!

Oh, wow. that's nuts! Shutting down and the man cannot tell us why. Whew. I can't even think about this any more. It's gone off the rails/it's too much. Well... "they' will get no grief from me. I'm beaten down and All I want is to find an isolated cave or lonely island and to spend my last years on this planet in peace. Anyone know of a place? PM me. LOL!

Anyone following the Lavabit shutdown story? The site owner gives the impression (but does not say directly) that it is related to PRISM or something analogous - "I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit."

Detailed statement at the site: http://lavabit.com/

Normally I would Google "lavabit" to see what the fuss is about, but this time I chickened out (and I'm not even American). It's working!

this sounds like black magic to me ^^

That's a good point, and to be perfectly honest, I'm a lot more afraid of being hit by a stupid driver (not even a drunken one, just a really bad one) than I am of the likelihood of being held a gunpoint, not by the "T", but by one of my fellow citizens trying to jack my car.

I believe you are dead-on: eventually...and it could be soon or it could be a decade from now, but the shit will hit the fan - for as the saying goes - "the writing is on the wall".

As for all this "T" nonsense. The only T that we get "here" is the T that is allowed or encouraged to happen. And then it is blown completely out of proportion (and that's not done by accident) Speaking of "accidents"...far more people die from accidents - so the T really should be a non-local-issue: especially as compared to the many other bizarre and scary things going on (locally) that we know about.

I believe this is reason #1 as to why a nation which doesn't produce any money whatsoever should not be eating itself alive into any more debt.  However, I also think it's much too late to ever come out of this trap, and Bitcoin won't save us in the short term; once the camel's back finally breaks, there will be hell.  So I suppose the reasoning is, knowing they'll never pull out, they may as well spend all the cash they possibly can before the jig is up.

Read exactly what I said again and do not rephrase it, mis frame or mis interpret it.

Terrorism in the form of civilian murder is quite popular with the people of whom I addressed such attributes to.  There's no reason to shrug this off, and no reason EITHER to ignore it or exaggerate it.

The bolded part above is an obvious rephrasing and misrepresentation of the issues I stated.  They might have some general relevance, but not in this context.  Similarly, whether "terror" serves the interests of US government agencies is not relevant.

PRISM is funded through debt and inflation. This is why bitcoin is so important. The world needs bitcoin yesterday!!!

There really is no organized network of terrorism with religious group at the apex for the simple reason that 'terrorism' in the form of civilian murder is not very appealing to Muslims, Christians, or any other group of normal people.  There may be some lone wolf types and small splinter groups, but they are very rare.  This is most unfortunate for the leadership of the United States who are well served by 'terror' within our own civilian populations, and I believe that this is the basis for trying to cultivate more of them through fairly gratuitous assaults against Muslim populations world-wide.

There are plenty of 'Islamist', but they are strongly focused on their own domestic struggles and could not give two shits about the West.  I can understand this.  I pity any populations which comes under control of religious fundamentalism, and I would certainly hate to see Jerry Falwell issuing fatwas in my neighborhood, but it's simply not worth very much to me personally to fight against Sharia law in the Swat valley in Pakistan.  That is for the Pakistani people to deal with.  It is double-plus-not-worth-it to me to shred the constitution and have my country committing blatant war crimes for this goal or to control the energy transport routes are any other such project.

I say 'duh', but then I'm a 'conspiracy theorist.'   This is a natural evolution of mass covert surveillance and it is inconceivable that the system will not continue to degrade and be subverted even as it continues to expand.

Every Joe Sixpack that signs up for a cell phone is worth on average something like $3000 in revenue to corporate service providers.  Every Joe Sixpack who is thrown in prison is worth probably hundreds of thousands to corporate service providers.  Of course we see the development of a corp/gov feeder system to tap and expand this revenue stream.

That's how the USA is...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805

I don't even know what to say anymore.

I see your points but do not believe they are inconsistent or contradict what I noted.   There has of course never been any organized group dedicated to meeting out death to providers of abortion clinics.  A comparison cannot be made between isolated cases of abortion clinic bombings, and radical Muslim bombings.

First, the current American propaganda is quite diffuse and confused.  It does not and has never indicated the Qutb spinoffs as problematic as I have done.   Even strict Wahhibi Muslims will agree with what I have said, because the Qutb teaches violence and death to Westerners.  They are your enemies by their own proclamation, whatever your opinion may be.

If some sect believes not in Islam but in Islam plus a group of 30 extensions which preach killing, this should be acknowledged for what it is.  

Clearly this is not the same subject as rationale private or public for Iraq 1/Iraq 2 etc.

My comments were and are directed more at the issue of "why did Muslim bombings/hijacking/killing of Westerners begin 30-40 years ago and why has it continued to the present day virtually unchanged."  At the same time, the risk of you or I being the victim of such terrorism is ridiculously small.

The purpose of terrorist actions is not to target you or I, but to target the world wide media system for maximum exposure by way of random brutality.

The 'disciples of Qutb' are not my enemies.  I don't care for them much, but they are no different to me than people who bomb abortion clinics.  A vast majority of Muslims and Christians are just normal people and probably have a higher then average amount of morality and care for their fellow humans.  Many are also not terribly bright else they would have found more credible answers to life's mysteries.

The simple fact of the matter is that I am about as likely to be hit by lightning than injured by some Islamic terrorist, and the chances are only that high because the US does everything possible to provoke terrorism.  If someone was doing 'signature strikes' and 'double-taps' with drones over my neighborhood from some command center half way around the world you can bet that the citizens of the country who was doing this would not be safe around me.

On the other hand, corrupt politicians who allow corporations to price gouge and bankers to leverage our economy into a perilous state are a direct and immediate threat to me and my way of life.  Sounds like you have drunk the kool-aid and directed your fear and anger in exactly the direction you are supposed to as a 'good American'.  You are not alone.  The 'terrorist' are nothing but tools that our leadership uses to achieve certain goals and ultimately induce American citizens to support projects which benefit their sponsors.

It is no surprise to me that populations rally behind groups like the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and Hezbollah.  Considering the alternatives offered, these groups are clearly more concerned about the well-being of the average citizen and their respective countries.  The leaderships propped up by the West tend to be corrupt scum who sell-out their own countrymen.  I remember when they called me up to fight for some king in Kuwait and said that once the king is re-installed America will work toward democracy in these Arab kingdoms.  It's been several decades and the only action I've seen is sending the monarchies more weapons to oppress their populations so forgive me if I find all of the BS about 'democracy' to be a completely hollow sham.

You are not seeing the work of 'armatures' though it useful to our leaders for you to think that.  What you are seeing is a well engineered scheme to re-direct your attention.  And it's working.