We just update our website with photo of our latest gathering for BitIslands.
Check it out http://bitislands.com/update/
We got support by many bitcoin startup (local and global) and bitcoiners in Bali
Thank you !
Topic: Project Bitcoin Island - Bali - Indonesia - page 13. (Read 55545 times)
Maybe Indonesia is a holiday-making place for Bitcoin enthusiast. 
http://ekonomi.kompasiana.com/moneter/2014/05/26/masa-depan-bank-di-indonesia-660015.html
A blog about the need of crypto currency but without mentioning a word of Bitcoin
A blog about the need of crypto currency but without mentioning a word of Bitcoin
Hi St-ly_T
Yeah, it actually describe Bitcoin. I will try to leave comment in that discussion.
Update: Our office furniture will be ready by this week. Starting next week, we can start marketing bitcoin. Yay!
PS: kompas is our mainstream newspaper in Indonesia.
this is a great start i think
well, i want to travel with all payment in BTC
Bali island that know as paradise island will be know to as Bitcoin paradise
well, i want to travel with all payment in BTC
Bali island that know as paradise island will be know to as Bitcoin paradise
I definitely want to go on an 'all bitcoin' trip to Bali at some point in the near future!
Seems like it would be a fun way to travel. And now that Expedia is accepting btc it makes it much more likely that I'll be able to do that at some point.
Seems like it would be a fun way to travel. And now that Expedia is accepting btc it makes it much more likely that I'll be able to do that at some point.
congratulations to bitcoin.co.id hopefully all goes well could be planned just why you should be in the closed exchanger was very helpful when we were wanted us to IDR exchange bitcoin, but hopefully in Bali can smoothly plan that can be followed in the cities other
I hope your experiment will succeed!
Hi Bibop
Thank you for your message
Hi All
We just update our website. We incorporate almost all Bitcoin Startup di Indonesia and some Bitcoin Startup from Singapore to supporting this Bitislands project.
We already having discussion with them including Bitcoiners Senior like Mr Christian and Mr Ville.
Please check it out : http://bitislands.com/about-us
@thiec
OK. I see. But bitcoin at the moment is not classified under foreign currency under Bank Indonesia definition. So it is commodities and there is nothing about capital gains tax.
OK. I see. But bitcoin at the moment is not classified under foreign currency under Bank Indonesia definition. So it is commodities and there is nothing about capital gains tax.
Yes, it is. bitcoin is treat like commodities or assets, there are 2 possibility
1. Unless your are trading company that specialist in buy and sale bitcoin so bitcoin is your inventory (like money changer in foreign currency), your sales will be object to 1% income tax until your total sales for a year above 4.8 billions. So its call selling goods not capital gain
2. other wise, the tax will assume you only speculate in bitcoin thus your investment are object to capital gain, like your buy a house or land or anything assets and sale it later. That object to article 17
@thiec
OK. I see. But bitcoin at the moment is not classified under foreign currency under Bank Indonesia definition. So it is commodities and there is nothing about capital gains tax.
OK. I see. But bitcoin at the moment is not classified under foreign currency under Bank Indonesia definition. So it is commodities and there is nothing about capital gains tax.
hi Thiec
Yes, as long as our office ready to be use by this end of month and we already hired our employees. We will start doing marketing for converting merchant. Stay up date !
Yes, as long as our office ready to be use by this end of month and we already hired our employees. We will start doing marketing for converting merchant. Stay up date !
Just want to clarify: "Capital gain may become object of income tax", what Indonesian tax regulation state that ?
thanks
In Indonesia, Capital Gain is a general definition. Different object that obtain capital gain will have different tax rate or not object at all.
The basic rule come from Tax Law No.38/2008 article 4 and more explanation in PP No.94/2010
For example
* capital gain from investment in stock market (BEI), the tax rate is 0.1% from sales of investment and final (no cost deduction) PP No.14/1997
* capital gain from investment in Mutual Funds (Reksadana), not a object from income tax
* capital gain from investment in foreign currency are object to article 17
ect...
So case by case
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keep goodwork admin
maybe next time i'll join gath
Thank you @bagus23
Our office in Bali will be ready soon. Internet suppose to be connected by next week. We will start recruiting our Bali Employee by next week as well
delightful update
your fee is in IDR, and what they taxed is this IDR.. so the tax is not for BTC but for IDR, is this right?
if I'm a merchant, and I want my customer able to pay using BTC, how about the tax? is the tax will be calculated based on the BTC value in IDR when the transaction happen? or how?
your fee is in IDR, and what they taxed is this IDR.. so the tax is not for BTC but for IDR, is this right?
if I'm a merchant, and I want my customer able to pay using BTC, how about the tax? is the tax will be calculated based on the BTC value in IDR when the transaction happen? or how?
The tax rate is 1% base of government regulations number 46 year 2013 (PP No.46/2013)
Tax will be calculate from your income (sales) in IDR, so if you sale in BTC than it will base of BTC value in IDR like you said.
I dont know why does funchiestz said that the tax charge only for fee cause the rule is clear. The object of 1% is INCOME not the MARGIN (FEE).
Margin have another rule base of tax law no.36/2008 article 17 in certain criteria.
Hi Thiec
Please read in this article, I believe you are Indonesian since you can understand our regulation
http://indonesia.bitcoin.co.id/panduan-perpajakan-bitcoin-di-indonesia/
That link has article about guidance to pay tax for miner, exchanger, and even ecommerce that use bitcoin
I hope it helps !
Thanks for the article. I just finished read it and here my opinion.
(I am not tax official, and i share my opinion and my knowledge in tax fields base of Indonesia Tax Rule)
1. Miner
I am totally agree that any income from miner are object to income tax (PPh) and not object to VAT (PPN).
2. Exchanger
I also agree that exchanger that stand as mediator for buyer and seller earn fee and the fee are object to income tax, and since the new regulation (PP No.46/2013) if your earning fee are lower than 4,8 Billions Rupiahs IN A YEAR than your fee are object to 1% income tax (final without deduction from cost), and if your earning fee are higher than 4,8 Billions Rupiahs than your fee are object to Income Tax Law No.36/2008 Act 17 which currently rate is 25% after you deduct the cost to generate your earning. (You may read act 31E for tax reduction criteria)
I am not complete agree about VAT, since your only mediator, your sale are not count as VAT's object but your fees are. And if like above, there are certain criteria, if you pass 4,8 Billions mark than you become VAT's object and if not, you dont. So, the different is the article said sales, i am said fee
3. Commerce
Always use PP No.46/2013 which make 4,8 Billions rupiahs a year as a mark for tax income calculation
Below 4,8 Billions, all sales are object to 1% income tax (whatever you make a profit sales or not)
Above 4,8 Billions, all sales can be deducted to the cost (cogs, expenses ect) and the margin are object to 25% income tax
Connection with the article, the poster is not use this regulation, his opinion is in general and not consider to government regulations No.46/2013
VAT also have 4,8 Billions as turning point base of Finance Ministers Regulation No.197/PMK.03/2013, start to apply Jan 1st, 2014
4. Investment
Agree with the article. The capital gain may become object of income tax. And VAT could be declare if transaction above 4,8 Billions
I think it is very clear. Exchange income is from transaction fee. Exchange position is just like a property agent, or stock broker. The total amount of transaction is income for the bitcoin sellers, not for the exchange. For bitcoin sellers they also require to declare income for selling their bitcoin base of PP no. 46, which means they need to pay 1% of tax from total amount of rupiah they received.
Not exactly. My post before are prefer to merchants and they aren'tt exchanger, they are buying and selling goods.
Exchanger not really buy or sell btc, they only market place as you said like a broker. The real transaction occurred between buyer and seller, and exchanger are the middle man only. So "the sales" are not object to 1% regulation
Just want to clarify: "Capital gain may become object of income tax", what Indonesian tax regulation state that ?
thanks
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gurunya cantik tuh pak
boleh di deketin
, jgn asik bitcoin yg di pacarin
We are welcome for any payment gateway, bitcoin atm and exchanger to participate in this project. Thank you
delightful update
your fee is in IDR, and what they taxed is this IDR.. so the tax is not for BTC but for IDR, is this right?
if I'm a merchant, and I want my customer able to pay using BTC, how about the tax? is the tax will be calculated based on the BTC value in IDR when the transaction happen? or how?
your fee is in IDR, and what they taxed is this IDR.. so the tax is not for BTC but for IDR, is this right?
if I'm a merchant, and I want my customer able to pay using BTC, how about the tax? is the tax will be calculated based on the BTC value in IDR when the transaction happen? or how?
The tax rate is 1% base of government regulations number 46 year 2013 (PP No.46/2013)
Tax will be calculate from your income (sales) in IDR, so if you sale in BTC than it will base of BTC value in IDR like you said.
I dont know why does funchiestz said that the tax charge only for fee cause the rule is clear. The object of 1% is INCOME not the MARGIN (FEE).
Margin have another rule base of tax law no.36/2008 article 17 in certain criteria.
Hi Thiec
Please read in this article, I believe you are Indonesian since you can understand our regulation
http://indonesia.bitcoin.co.id/panduan-perpajakan-bitcoin-di-indonesia/
That link has article about guidance to pay tax for miner, exchanger, and even ecommerce that use bitcoin
I hope it helps !
Thanks for the article. I just finished read it and here my opinion.
(I am not tax official, and i share my opinion and my knowledge in tax fields base of Indonesia Tax Rule)
1. Miner
I am totally agree that any income from miner are object to income tax (PPh) and not object to VAT (PPN).
2. Exchanger
I also agree that exchanger that stand as mediator for buyer and seller earn fee and the fee are object to income tax, and since the new regulation (PP No.46/2013) if your earning fee are lower than 4,8 Billions Rupiahs IN A YEAR than your fee are object to 1% income tax (final without deduction from cost), and if your earning fee are higher than 4,8 Billions Rupiahs than your fee are object to Income Tax Law No.36/2008 Act 17 which currently rate is 25% after you deduct the cost to generate your earning. (You may read act 31E for tax reduction criteria)
I am not complete agree about VAT, since your only mediator, your sale are not count as VAT's object but your fees are. And if like above, there are certain criteria, if you pass 4,8 Billions mark than you become VAT's object and if not, you dont. So, the different is the article said sales, i am said fee
3. Commerce
Always use PP No.46/2013 which make 4,8 Billions rupiahs a year as a mark for tax income calculation
Below 4,8 Billions, all sales are object to 1% income tax (whatever you make a profit sales or not)
Above 4,8 Billions, all sales can be deducted to the cost (cogs, expenses ect) and the margin are object to 25% income tax
Connection with the article, the poster is not use this regulation, his opinion is in general and not consider to government regulations No.46/2013
VAT also have 4,8 Billions as turning point base of Finance Ministers Regulation No.197/PMK.03/2013, start to apply Jan 1st, 2014
4. Investment
Agree with the article. The capital gain may become object of income tax. And VAT could be declare if transaction above 4,8 Billions
I think it is very clear. Exchange income is from transaction fee. Exchange position is just like a property agent, or stock broker. The total amount of transaction is income for the bitcoin sellers, not for the exchange. For bitcoin sellers they also require to declare income for selling their bitcoin base of PP no. 46, which means they need to pay 1% of tax from total amount of rupiah they received.
Not exactly. My post before are prefer to merchants and they aren'tt exchanger, they are buying and selling goods.
Exchanger not really buy or sell btc, they only market place as you said like a broker. The real transaction occurred between buyer and seller, and exchanger are the middle man only. So "the sales" are not object to 1% regulation
welp i enjoyed the vid. hope for the success, and may our travel expense be all in bitcoin soon
hi Lemfuture
Thank you. We will keep update our progress in our website weekly with video and picture
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