Topic: Proof that God exists - page 12. (Read 62290 times)

Quit being silly... why must you straw-man every argument?

Nobody is saying fish have a religion... why do argue such nonsense?

Is that all Christianity has to offer?  red-herrings?

However, that is not what evolution suggests about religion. Consider. One line of evolution theory suggests something like, that first, before life, there was the inanimate state. Then there was the primordial soup from which life came. Then there was the single-cell microbe. Then there was the fish. Then the fish came onto land and became a land creature. Then the land creature evolved into a higher form of land creature. The brain improved and increased in ability. This creature evolved until there was the modern human being.

Where was religion in all this?...

Obviously, humans invented religion... After that, they tend to cannibalize the previous religion

Christianity came from Judaism, which itself came from mystery-cult religions of the Mediterranean region...

Christianity stole the pagan holidays of Yule and Easter in order to convert followers, etc... (you get a much better conversion rate if you share major holidays)

If it is as you suggest, because children believe the religion of their parents, where did our first parents get their religion?

After long and secular debates about atheism, the need for a separate topic about God's existence has arisen.
There are amongst us a group of people who believe that while there is no proof that God exists, there also is no proof that He doesn't exist.
Please share your argument in a logical manner and abstain from saying things like "I'm right because I'm right".
I know that this, in the end, is a philosophical discussion so only logical are welcome.

There are amongst us a group of people who believe that while there is no proof that God exists

Which god?  But even ignoring that fact.

The evidence for non-existence is circumstantial as there is no physical evidence of his/her/it existence.  But here is the circumstantial evidence:

- no physical evidence
- 'God' of different cultures, 'revealed' himself/herself/itself at various periods in distant past to a few individuals spoke fluent English, Arabic, Aramaic or Hebrew.  The wisdom he provided does not meet the very basic standard of human morality or social justice of today.  If he wanted to guide men and women, he would interact with the physical realm, update his/her holy books etc.
- this imaginary god supposedly created world with all the universes about 13.8 billion of years ago.  Then waited about 9 billion years to create Earth in this particular universe, and another 4.5 billion to create humans in his own image.  His works ethic are, well, questionable.  Why the wait?
- why did he created imperfect human body: why we have jaw that does not fit all the teeth, our immune system is in constant war with viruses and bacteria?  He is either lazy or is constantly fighting diseases himself, viruses/bacteria which he himself created?  I hope he has a good health plan.

Now more specific points about Christianity:
- Jesus of Nazareth is a myth.  Many historians already debunked this myth.  youtube Richard Carrier  
- nobody demonstrated virgin birth since 'birth of Christ', physically impossible to conceive without human sperm penetrating egg wall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcDhf2was8w  But people who wrote the story did not know that.
- why would god want to be killed to forgive human sins, he could have just forgive them and be done with it. Again, the novelist who wrote the story did not think this through.  
- why he wants to torture people who use their brain he/she himself/herself gave them in the first place.  He behaves very ungodly, very human like.  Perhaps because he is an imaginary construct devised by the 1st century publicist.
- water cannot be turned into wine, the cracker you eat during mass does not turn into flesh of Christ, nobody can walk on water.  All these claims are false, so the whole premise is false.

And Islam:
- horses don't fly, never did, never will
- morality provided by this god is on par with Christian or Jewish god, from which the myth has been derived
- raping young children, killing apostates, or gay people is immoral.  Only genocidal maniac would recommend such 'solutions'.  Maybe because Quran was written by such people.

and not to forget Jewish god:
- 40 years in the dessert, parting sea waters and manna from heaven sounds as ridiculous as tooth fairies, or flat Earth.
- 600+ some 'laws'.  Why so many? He was lazy enough with creation job, but very diligent in describing who you can beat to death, who you can rape, or kill.  Who you can have sex with, who you cannot.  BTW, if he was against gays why did he create lambs?  15-20% of lambs are gay.
All their laws are ridiculous by today's standards.

Should I go on with Mormonism?  Or you have get the picture...

That's not a coincidence... 99% of religious people believe the religion of their parents... should be self-explanatory as to why...

That's not a coincidence... 99% of religious people believe the religion of their parents... should be self-explanatory as to why...

And it just so happens that your particular God you picked out of thousands available, is in fact the true God (in your eyes of course).
What a coincidence!!

Just i never believe fuckin coincidences.

Perhaps if you took the time to research evolution, and understand the concepts therein, you would be more accepting to the idea

Currently, you appear to hate that which you do not understand... bad ju-ju there... that's called bigotry

Just i never believe fuckin coincidences. And believe me that looking and seeing not same.. One day you'll see. I hope it won't be late

Perhaps if you took the time to research evolution, and understand the concepts therein, you would be more accepting to the idea

Currently, you appear to hate that which you do not understand... bad ju-ju there... that's called bigotry

Maybe his grandfather was a monkey but mine was Adam.

Right. Moloch constantly ignores the fundamental science of cause and effect. Cause and effect is upheld as universal fundamental law by Newton's 3rd Law. Cause and effect show that everything in the universe that we know is programmed. A programmer who can program something like the universe into existence must fit the dictionary definition of "God." The question is, how did such perfect programming as Moloch's brain become so corrupted that he is unwilling to consider a cause and effect, programmed universe, when the proof for cause and effect is all around us?

Your body must be worst one, especially brain

The human body is the worst designed thing on the planet... it's far from perfect... please don't make me elaborate, it's self-evident to anyone with a brain...

Proof of evolution you can find on your body
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFxu7NEoKC8

This is not evidence of a God... go on believing some 2000 year old book holds more knowledge than the combined intellect of millions/billions of scientists... who is the moron now?

Imagine that from micro to macro everything is quite regularly work since begining of world. Human body is another miracle. If you really think, you'll understand that it can't become by coincidence. If you believe that there's no a creator of that perfect system,  go on to believe in one Theory instead of reality like a moron