Topic: Proof that God exists - page 14. (Read 62382 times)

Are there any unrecognized scientific laws? Does that make them not to be laws, simply because they  are not recognized or written about?

The scientific law of complex universe is all around us even if nobody formulated it as such. It is so basic that just stating it as such is essentially formulating it.

There is no "Complex universe" scientific law.

A list of commonly accepted scientific laws is in the wikipedia page I linked to earlier.

You stated that "Complex Universe" was  common scientific law. I provide evidence that it is not. Now (if you wish to discuss this further) you need to provide evidence that  "Complex Universe" is a widely accepted (common) scientific law.

Trust me mate don't play with the TRUMP because if you are in the day of judgement, you will regret for not believing in the TRUMP

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Do I have a complex universe? I checked my pockets. I checked my closet. I looked under the bed. I even checked in the garage. I couldn't find any complex universe that I owned. Maybe it is based, as you say, on organofcorti. Perhaps you should ask organofcorti about my complex universe, since I can't seem to find it around here at all.

Did the law of gravity exist before Newton expressed it?

Ar you trying to tell me that the universe isn't complex, just because every last person on the planet doesn't express it? How in the world complex are you?

the proofs of God's existence are you and all of this universe. if you still believe that everything exists instantly, I extremely stress here that you are totally wrong mate. because you didn't create your self, did you? or someone else created you? no, it was He, Allah.

just remember. one day you had a plan, but you couldn't run the plan, it means that there's God controled you, failed your plan. trust me mate, don't play with God, He exists, don't wait until you see Him, because if you are in the day of judgement, you will regret for not believing in He in the rest of your life

Prove your complex universe base on organofcorti it is not a common scientific law, get your facts right before posting it dude

Ah, so now it's *your* special scientific law that no one else knows about? Like all of your other proofs?

Of course complexity is a common scientific law.

For example, when Newton formulated the law of gravity - you know, when the apple fell off the tree and hit him in the head - was he the first person who ever noticed gravity? Of course not. Others noticed it long before he did, and would have formulated it if they had felt the need. Perhaps someone else did formulate it before Newton.

In the same way, complex universe is not only a common law, it is a common scientific law, because any scientist can easily devise statements showing how universal complexity is. Complexity might even be more fundamental to everyone than gravity is.

Complex universe is a scientific law, even though it may not have been formulated formally as such.

"Complex universe" is not a "Common scientific law". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_science

In addition, you can understand the scientific proof that God exists by combining cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy, all three, common scientific laws.

Again, there is no assumption about God existing and setting things into place. Combining cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy proves this scientifically.

Bear with me for a moment.

Let me show you part of the statements from a couple of websites. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-electron_universe suggesting that our universe has only one electron that travels backward and forward in time to exist in all positions and locations that we consider to be many electrons:
Now look at someone who refutes the above, but has preposterous yet paramount sounding ideas of his own. From http://io9.gizmodo.com/5876966/what-if-every-electron-in-the-universe-was-all-the-same-exact-particle:

Thank you for reading the above, and maybe even going to the sites to read more. So, what's the point?

The point is that, since we can't even tell for sure about some of the reasons why the simple electron is or acts the way it is or does...

And since God through cause and effect pushed all the electrons into actions is some distant past, so that they produce the results that exist today...

How in the world are we going to determine any attributes about God? The answer is that we aren't, except if He tells us.

God is so far and great beyond us, that if He DID have a cause, or if He DIDN'T have a cause, it would be all the same to us. The thing that we would see about this is that there is nothing about God that we can determine, except vaguely, or a little more clearly when He tells us.

Well i believe i was made by my parents, but believing that there a god i dont believe that.
A god was invented so there will be faith,faith will bring you strong mind in case that you are being held down by life.

and so with your argument god should also have a creator right? otherwise it would be double standard

we have never heard about a home that was built without a builder or an invention without an inventor. SO the existence of the universe that we live in and all those creations that live in it is a proof that there is a creator who is God

"We" maybe refers to you but sorry, not me.

Sometimes it is appropriate to refer to atheists as “descendants of the apes.” I’m sure all of them are highly honored by that title since they are the ones who claim that apes are their noble ancestors.This explains why atheists have devised the animalistic and heathenistic philosophy of atheism. It is because that is the best philosophy the ape’s descendants can come up with. That is as high as they can rise in their thinking. There has never been an ape during the history of apes that achieved the ability to perceive the existence of God and to worship Him. And so, it is not surprising that descendants of the apes are void of that ability as well.This also explains the awful heathen and abominable fruit descendants of apes produce in the society – why they are so lawless. It must have been a terrible group of apes they descended from, because when you observe apes that exist today, all of them do exactly what apes are suppose to do. But atheists cannot do anything right. Apes today are more civilized than atheists.
True christians have a far more noble fountain from whence they descended. We were originally created by the Almighty God – created in His image. We did not have to evolve to a higher state, but from the beginning, were created by God as perfect as humans can be. Even though we fell from our created state of perfection in the first man Adam, our Maker brings us back by His uplifting grace. But atheists, as descendants of the apes, have never and will never reached the level of perfection in which God originally created all mankind.
If atheists were human, and weren’t descendants of the apes, they might be able to perceive the beauty of the existence of God, and might have a chance at receiving God’s grace. But alas, animals don’t have that ability and God has no intention on saving animals.

Now it is you who haven't read the Book.

The first half is all about God loving His people so much that He protects them, both form those people who would hurt them, and from themselves by disciplining them when necessary.

The second half is all about God formally offering the right to become part of His people to everybody, rather than only the group He selected in the first part.

You call the bible a love letter?!?  Have you read the book?  The first half is nothing but plagues, murder and suffering!

God would have to be seriously twisted to write a "love letter" like the bible... more like a threat/blackmail than love letter

The Bible.
The Bible itself is proof of God’s existence because He used 40 unrelated people over a period of 2,000 years to write His unique love letter to us. There is nothing like the Bible because it carries the same consistent message throughout all of its 66 different books.