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legendary
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March 04, 2016, 11:24:05 AM
Quantum physics proved the existence of randomness whatever you're saying:

https://www.quora.com/Philosophy/How-do-we-know-that-randomness-actually-exists

There is a rather easy experiment that can be done with a laser that proves randomness exists. That it's part of the universe.

Sorry Badecker.

That's what I like about you jokers. First, you set out to prove something. Then you do the math. Then you set up computers and a laser. Then you say that the whole thing proves that randomness exists. All the while you conveniently forget that all your proving was a whole bunch of cause and effect actions and reactions that used a whole bunch of other cause and effect actions and reactions to prove what? To prove that cause and effect can be bypassed? Don't make me laugh.

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March 04, 2016, 06:49:53 AM
Quantum physics proved the existence of randomness whatever you're saying:

https://www.quora.com/Philosophy/How-do-we-know-that-randomness-actually-exists

There is a rather easy experiment that can be done with a laser that proves randomness exists. That it's part of the universe.

Sorry Badecker.
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March 04, 2016, 05:29:53 AM
Indeed. +1 for evolution.

Whatever evolution is, it has been programmed to exist the way it does, by cause and effect.

Cool

Prove it!

Don't have to. Newton showed the proof of it a long time ago.    Cool

I thought you'd try to weasel your way out of it.

Did you go look up Newton's 3rd Law, yet, to see that I didn't?    Cool

Yes, I did. And after doing that I conclude that you annoying and boring. Go away!

The fact that he's annoying and boring isn't really a problem. The problem is that he's wrong. That's the real problem.
legendary
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February 29, 2016, 10:21:56 AM
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Now let me show you how mixed up you are. God might be imaginary for you, but He is my real friend.

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I never said he is not real to you.  Delusional people don't know they are delusional.  That is by a definition.

It does not change the fact that your friend is imaginary, i.e. he does not exist.

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March 04, 2016, 05:29:19 AM
Indeed. +1 for evolution.

Whatever evolution is, it has been programmed to exist the way it does, by cause and effect.

Cool

Prove it!

Don't have to. Newton showed the proof of it a long time ago.    Cool

I thought you'd try to weasel your way out of it.

Did you go look up Newton's 3rd Law, yet, to see that I didn't?    Cool

Newton's 3rd law is good. But Quantum Physics destroyed it.

Randomness exists. Randomness is everywhere.
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March 04, 2016, 04:00:49 AM
Indeed. +1 for evolution.

Whatever evolution is, it has been programmed to exist the way it does, by cause and effect.

Cool

Prove it!

Don't have to. Newton showed the proof of it a long time ago.    Cool

I thought you'd try to weasel your way out of it.

Did you go look up Newton's 3rd Law, yet, to see that I didn't?    Cool

Yes, I did. And after doing that I conclude that you annoying and boring. Go away!
legendary
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February 29, 2016, 09:54:45 AM
Universe is not a perfect system.  It is actually very violent and very hostile to life.
How does an imperfect being such as a human begin to understand the definition of perfection? How could a mortal imagine infinity? God is everything man cannot be, yet man strives to mould himself in the likeness of God, to become like and greater than the most high. Those who have placed themselves above God deny the existence thereof, just as the mighty Satan defied God, so shall men who worship themselves be cut off from his kingdom.


And I wouldn't say 'violent towards life', more like 'chaotic'.

Man doesn't have to understand the definition of perfection. Just have (and that is easy to do) to understand and see imperfection all around us.

All you gotta do is look at all the imperfection around to see that even imperfection acts perfectly. Of course, if it didn't exist, then you could say that it didn't act at all.

Cool

So the death of my grand father by cancer was a "perfect imperfection" that's what you're telling me?

I'm not necessarily telling you anything.

What part of your grandfather's death by cancer operated outside of the laws of nature? None of it. All the laws of nature acted perfectly.

Cool

If all laws of nature acted perfectly and god was not responsible for them what is the need for a god? And if god is responsible, then I refer you to valta4065's comment.

The laws of nature act perfectly BECAUSE God is responsible for them. Here's how it worked and works yet today.

God made the laws of nature and set everything into being.

Among the laws of nature existed the ability of mankind to freely act against God, which, if mankind did it, would destroy nature and the universe... built right into the laws of nature.

Mankind DID turn against God, and nature was in the process of being destroyed almost instantly.

God didn't make nature and people for nothing. He had purpose. Part of the purpose was that people were and are the objects of God's love. Nature was part of God's gifts to us.

God realized that people didn't understand how foolish and stupid they were being by turning against Him, so He stopped the destruction by sending His Son, Jesus, to take the punishment for all people for turning against God. The work that Jesus did on the cross, actually upheld the universe and the laws of nature right from the beginning times when mankind turned against God.

God also gave mankind the thing that they asked for by their turning against God. This thing is death, and all the pains and problems that people have in life which culminate in death.

All of it operates perfectly, in a perfect nature, according to perfect natural laws. God is perfectly giving people the thing the formally asked for > death. God is giving people the thing that they thought they were asking for > better life. God is preparing a better life for those who are not against Him, in the coming resurrection.

Wake up and turn to God so that you are not permanently destroyed by your adamant obstinance in remaining against God.

Cool

So, god is responsible, then.

Bible should start with "God created Heaven, Earth and Hell".  Somehow they skipped that part.

He created Hell to torment you for eternity, but he loves you Wink



God is responsible for it all. Because having responsibility is so wonderful, He gave yours to you. Since you used your responsibility to reject God, He is giving you what you asked for... the ability to not have any responsibility for anything anymore.

But in case you change your mind, you have the ability to take responsibility again for a while... as long as your life exists. You can responsibly accept God and eternal life if you want.

Cool

You know, I played "hide and seek" until I was about 6, then go tired of it. 

God, just show your fucking face.  Otherwise, you don't exist.  End of story.

BTW, don't blame me for the mistakes of your imaginary friend.

Poor baby. Made your mistakes in life, and can't get out of them.

Come to Jesus God and He will take your mistakes and convert them into eternal life for you. However, you certainly have the freedom to keep on trying your own way. Better work fast, though. You probably don't have a hundred years left... and maybe only minutes.

 Cheesy

Do you even know how to read?  Do you read from any other books other than the Bible?  I doubt it.

I said don't blame me for the mistakes of your imaginary friend.


Great! Say it all day. But you don't even know if I have an imaginary friend or not. And I certainly wouldn't blame you for my friend's mistakes, even if my friend were imaginary.

However, you get the blame for your own mistakes, especially the ones of not accepting God.

What is all this nonsense that you keep writing?

Cool

BSDecker, Let me spell it out for you: God is your imaginary friend.
legendary
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March 04, 2016, 03:02:45 AM
Indeed. +1 for evolution.

Whatever evolution is, it has been programmed to exist the way it does, by cause and effect.

Cool

Prove it!

Don't have to. Newton showed the proof of it a long time ago.    Cool

I thought you'd try to weasel your way out of it.

Did you go look up Newton's 3rd Law, yet, to see that I didn't?    Cool
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Bobby Fischer was right
March 04, 2016, 02:58:48 AM
Water

What’s so amazing about water is that it is colorless, odorless, even tasteless but no living thing can exist without it. On Earth, there is a constant system of purification that recycles and reuses water, sustaining every living thing on our planet. How could God not play a role in this complex but amazing process?
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March 04, 2016, 02:48:17 AM
Indeed. +1 for evolution.

Whatever evolution is, it has been programmed to exist the way it does, by cause and effect.

Cool

Prove it!

Don't have to. Newton showed the proof of it a long time ago.    Cool

I thought you'd try to weasel your way out of it.
legendary
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March 04, 2016, 02:42:06 AM
Indeed. +1 for evolution.

Whatever evolution is, it has been programmed to exist the way it does, by cause and effect.

Cool

Prove it!

Don't have to. Newton showed the proof of it a long time ago.    Cool
legendary
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February 29, 2016, 09:47:17 AM
Universe is not a perfect system.  It is actually very violent and very hostile to life.
How does an imperfect being such as a human begin to understand the definition of perfection? How could a mortal imagine infinity? God is everything man cannot be, yet man strives to mould himself in the likeness of God, to become like and greater than the most high. Those who have placed themselves above God deny the existence thereof, just as the mighty Satan defied God, so shall men who worship themselves be cut off from his kingdom.


And I wouldn't say 'violent towards life', more like 'chaotic'.

Man doesn't have to understand the definition of perfection. Just have (and that is easy to do) to understand and see imperfection all around us.

All you gotta do is look at all the imperfection around to see that even imperfection acts perfectly. Of course, if it didn't exist, then you could say that it didn't act at all.

Cool

So the death of my grand father by cancer was a "perfect imperfection" that's what you're telling me?

I'm not necessarily telling you anything.

What part of your grandfather's death by cancer operated outside of the laws of nature? None of it. All the laws of nature acted perfectly.

Cool

If all laws of nature acted perfectly and god was not responsible for them what is the need for a god? And if god is responsible, then I refer you to valta4065's comment.

The laws of nature act perfectly BECAUSE God is responsible for them. Here's how it worked and works yet today.

God made the laws of nature and set everything into being.

Among the laws of nature existed the ability of mankind to freely act against God, which, if mankind did it, would destroy nature and the universe... built right into the laws of nature.

Mankind DID turn against God, and nature was in the process of being destroyed almost instantly.

God didn't make nature and people for nothing. He had purpose. Part of the purpose was that people were and are the objects of God's love. Nature was part of God's gifts to us.

God realized that people didn't understand how foolish and stupid they were being by turning against Him, so He stopped the destruction by sending His Son, Jesus, to take the punishment for all people for turning against God. The work that Jesus did on the cross, actually upheld the universe and the laws of nature right from the beginning times when mankind turned against God.

God also gave mankind the thing that they asked for by their turning against God. This thing is death, and all the pains and problems that people have in life which culminate in death.

All of it operates perfectly, in a perfect nature, according to perfect natural laws. God is perfectly giving people the thing the formally asked for > death. God is giving people the thing that they thought they were asking for > better life. God is preparing a better life for those who are not against Him, in the coming resurrection.

Wake up and turn to God so that you are not permanently destroyed by your adamant obstinance in remaining against God.

Cool

So, god is responsible, then.

Bible should start with "God created Heaven, Earth and Hell".  Somehow they skipped that part.

He created Hell to torment you for eternity, but he loves you Wink



God is responsible for it all. Because having responsibility is so wonderful, He gave yours to you. Since you used your responsibility to reject God, He is giving you what you asked for... the ability to not have any responsibility for anything anymore.

But in case you change your mind, you have the ability to take responsibility again for a while... as long as your life exists. You can responsibly accept God and eternal life if you want.

Cool

You know, I played "hide and seek" until I was about 6, then go tired of it. 

God, just show your fucking face.  Otherwise, you don't exist.  End of story.

BTW, don't blame me for the mistakes of your imaginary friend.

Poor baby. Made your mistakes in life, and can't get out of them.

Come to Jesus God and He will take your mistakes and convert them into eternal life for you. However, you certainly have the freedom to keep on trying your own way. Better work fast, though. You probably don't have a hundred years left... and maybe only minutes.

 Cheesy

Do you even know how to read?  Do you read from any other books other than the Bible?  I doubt it.

I said don't blame me for the mistakes of your imaginary friend.
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March 04, 2016, 02:29:06 AM
Indeed. +1 for evolution.

Whatever evolution is, it has been programmed to exist the way it does, by cause and effect.

Cool

Prove it!
legendary
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March 04, 2016, 02:12:25 AM
Indeed. +1 for evolution.

Whatever evolution is, it has been programmed to exist the way it does, by cause and effect.

Cool
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March 04, 2016, 01:56:02 AM
Indeed. +1 for evolution.
legendary
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February 29, 2016, 09:40:28 AM
God is responsible for it all. Because having responsibility is so wonderful, He gave yours to you. Since you used your responsibility to reject God, He is giving you what you asked for... the ability to not have any responsibility for anything anymore.

But in case you change your mind, you have the ability to take responsibility again for a while... as long as your life exists. You can responsibly accept God and eternal life if you want.

Cool

Have any of you realized how a "reasoning" of Badecker is complicated, flawed and impossible to follow or understand?

Have any of you recognized that life and the universe are things that are rather complex and hard to follow?

Cool

Not really.  Actually most of life makes sense.  Of course there are things not fully understood, but that is where fun begins.

God of the gaps does not help you understand universe any better.  It is a "I give up" position.  A cop out.

legendary
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March 03, 2016, 07:57:59 PM

Poor baby. It's so fun watching you squirm.  Cheesy

Seriously, though. Almost nobody likes pain. Come and turn to God so that He will heal you in the afterlife, if not sooner.

Smiley

Yeah, ok. I got it now. You're completely deluded. Thank you for playing. You're the weakest link.

And you're the missing link, I suppose?










 Grin
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March 03, 2016, 06:52:58 PM
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An important part of this point is, don't test God continually. He just might decide to direct cause and effect to give you permanent, locked-in, inability to believe in Him, simply because you have asked for it so many times. Perhaps He has done this already. Perhaps you have already destined yourself for Hell without any way out.

Cool

God does not exist.  He did not create me, he has no control over me or my life.

All these ideas about how God programmed everything are in your head and only in your head.

If there was a God, and he meticulously programmed everything in the universe, how come he created it so big with only few tiny corners of the universe suitable to support life.  Why so many stars, galaxies, empty space, universes?  Just create a flat Earth, support it with pillars, few humans and animals, put a dome over it, put stars and sun on the dome and be done with it (oh wait, that is exactly what the bible says). 

Why our jaws don't fit all of the teeth that we get.  What's up with the appendix?
Oh wait, they are the remnants of our evolutionary past....God my ass.

If he was an engineer, he would not even pass a phone interview  Wink

Scientific law says that you are wrong. Check out cause and effect, as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law.

Then check out the first two chapters of the Bible to see how mankind asked for imperfection, and how God gave it to them. It was all done according to cause and effect.

Cool

I keep trying to stay calm, but things like this makes me want to kick your sorry ass. How the hell did mankind ask for death and disease? Are you really stupid? Or just trying to be cute!?

Well, you notice that death doesn't just come flat-earth boom, just like that... not most of the time. Most of the time there is a little warning at least. That warning exists in the form of pain and trouble... like getting old.

God warned Adam and Eve that the day (the day of their whole life) that they ate of the fruit, they would surely die. So, by eating the fruit, Adam and Eve asked for it.

What about the rest of us? Well, a few of us express that we don't want the pain. We do it by committing a sudden suicide. Since you have not committed suicide yet, you are expressing that you would rather live with the pain... chicken.

How dumb are you that you can't even figure simple things like this out?

Cool

How about you and Adam and Eve go and have some nice butt secs together? Then commit suicide. That way no one will believe you're a chicken. Or a dog. Well, maybe a pig.

Poor baby. It's so fun watching you squirm.  Cheesy

Seriously, though. Almost nobody likes pain. Come and turn to God so that He will heal you in the afterlife, if not sooner.

Smiley

Yeah, ok. I got it now. You're completely deluded. Thank you for playing. You're the weakest link.
legendary
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March 03, 2016, 06:48:51 PM
...

An important part of this point is, don't test God continually. He just might decide to direct cause and effect to give you permanent, locked-in, inability to believe in Him, simply because you have asked for it so many times. Perhaps He has done this already. Perhaps you have already destined yourself for Hell without any way out.

Cool

God does not exist.  He did not create me, he has no control over me or my life.

All these ideas about how God programmed everything are in your head and only in your head.

If there was a God, and he meticulously programmed everything in the universe, how come he created it so big with only few tiny corners of the universe suitable to support life.  Why so many stars, galaxies, empty space, universes?  Just create a flat Earth, support it with pillars, few humans and animals, put a dome over it, put stars and sun on the dome and be done with it (oh wait, that is exactly what the bible says). 

Why our jaws don't fit all of the teeth that we get.  What's up with the appendix?
Oh wait, they are the remnants of our evolutionary past....God my ass.

If he was an engineer, he would not even pass a phone interview  Wink

Scientific law says that you are wrong. Check out cause and effect, as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law.

Then check out the first two chapters of the Bible to see how mankind asked for imperfection, and how God gave it to them. It was all done according to cause and effect.

Cool

I keep trying to stay calm, but things like this makes me want to kick your sorry ass. How the hell did mankind ask for death and disease? Are you really stupid? Or just trying to be cute!?

Well, you notice that death doesn't just come flat-earth boom, just like that... not most of the time. Most of the time there is a little warning at least. That warning exists in the form of pain and trouble... like getting old.

God warned Adam and Eve that the day (the day of their whole life) that they ate of the fruit, they would surely die. So, by eating the fruit, Adam and Eve asked for it.

What about the rest of us? Well, a few of us express that we don't want the pain. We do it by committing a sudden suicide. Since you have not committed suicide yet, you are expressing that you would rather live with the pain... chicken.

How dumb are you that you can't even figure simple things like this out?

Cool

How about you and Adam and Eve go and have some nice butt secs together? Then commit suicide. That way no one will believe you're a chicken. Or a dog. Well, maybe a pig.

Poor baby. It's so fun watching you squirm.  Cheesy

Seriously, though. Almost nobody likes pain. Come and turn to God so that He will heal you in the afterlife, if not sooner.

Smiley
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March 03, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
...

An important part of this point is, don't test God continually. He just might decide to direct cause and effect to give you permanent, locked-in, inability to believe in Him, simply because you have asked for it so many times. Perhaps He has done this already. Perhaps you have already destined yourself for Hell without any way out.

Cool

God does not exist.  He did not create me, he has no control over me or my life.

All these ideas about how God programmed everything are in your head and only in your head.

If there was a God, and he meticulously programmed everything in the universe, how come he created it so big with only few tiny corners of the universe suitable to support life.  Why so many stars, galaxies, empty space, universes?  Just create a flat Earth, support it with pillars, few humans and animals, put a dome over it, put stars and sun on the dome and be done with it (oh wait, that is exactly what the bible says). 

Why our jaws don't fit all of the teeth that we get.  What's up with the appendix?
Oh wait, they are the remnants of our evolutionary past....God my ass.

If he was an engineer, he would not even pass a phone interview  Wink

Scientific law says that you are wrong. Check out cause and effect, as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law.

Then check out the first two chapters of the Bible to see how mankind asked for imperfection, and how God gave it to them. It was all done according to cause and effect.

Cool

I keep trying to stay calm, but things like this makes me want to kick your sorry ass. How the hell did mankind ask for death and disease? Are you really stupid? Or just trying to be cute!?

Well, you notice that death doesn't just come flat-earth boom, just like that... not most of the time. Most of the time there is a little warning at least. That warning exists in the form of pain and trouble... like getting old.

God warned Adam and Eve that the day (the day of their whole life) that they ate of the fruit, they would surely die. So, by eating the fruit, Adam and Eve asked for it.

What about the rest of us? Well, a few of us express that we don't want the pain. We do it by committing a sudden suicide. Since you have not committed suicide yet, you are expressing that you would rather live with the pain... chicken.

How dumb are you that you can't even figure simple things like this out?

Cool

How about you and Adam and Eve go and have some nice butt secs together? Then commit suicide. That way no one will believe you're a chicken. Or a dog. Well, maybe a pig.
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