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donator
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February 21, 2016, 06:53:20 PM

How dense of you. The chemical reactions in both cases are way more complex than the results.

Cool

Ah! Now we're getting somewhere. How are you measuring the change in complexity? Or are you just making an assumption>

When somebody has found a way to track all the electrons, protons, and neutrons in a chemical action, plus all the energies involved in the reaction, you might get the answer to your question. Nobody tracks it. We can't, although we might track a little of it sometime. Just because we have figured out how it works, doesn't mean that we can track the parts as they are doing their thing.

Cool

So, In summary:

Either the examples I gave -- Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals and wood burning to create smoke -- have the following unmeasureable pathways:

Complex material -> Complex reaction -> Simple material or;
Simple material -> Complex reaction -> Complex material

So using your explanation, in at least one of the cases something complex comes from something simple.


Didn't I say something about measuring all the particles and energies? Ah, yes, I did. But I also meant measuring their every relationship to each other. If you attempt to do this, you will find that the energies, the particles, their conversions molecularly, their relational positions, inside the conversion process, are way more complex than the end result that they produce.

Attempts to make measurements like this have been attempted for years using microcalorimetric functions. But it still is way beyond our reach because of the complexity involved.

Cool

This is an unfalsifiable hypothesis. There is no way to test it, because you state that this concept of complexity is (as yet) unmeasurable. Unless you meant the "calorific measurements"? Measurement of heat is not measurement of complexity.

Do you have any other suggested measures of complexity that actually *do* exist?

Which is more complex, ice or water?

hero member
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February 21, 2016, 06:52:24 PM

In there or out there doesn't matter. You haven't been able to refute the science I show.

Okay, okay. You talk more, so your political science might "refute" the science I show.

When have you ever shown anything that even resembled science?

All you do is blather on and on about off-topic bullshit that nobody wants to read

As I said, whatever you have been smoking has nearly burned your brain out. You wouldn't recognize science if it came up and bit you in the left eye.

Science is solely about facts that can be substantiated via experimentation and evidence... show me some of this science you claim to have
legendary
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February 21, 2016, 06:51:26 PM

In there or out there doesn't matter. You haven't been able to refute the science I show.

Okay, okay. You talk more, so your political science might "refute" the science I show.

When have you ever shown anything that even resembled science?

All you do is blather on and on about off-topic bullshit that nobody wants to read

As I said, whatever you have been smoking has nearly burned your brain out. You wouldn't recognize science if it came up and bit you in the left eye.

Cool

EDIT: Oh, sorry. That was mr-flea-bit-hat.
sr. member
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February 21, 2016, 06:49:38 PM
At this point I really don't care anymore. I know what I know. You go with your god and leave me alone.
hero member
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February 21, 2016, 06:49:15 PM

In there or out there doesn't matter. You haven't been able to refute the science I show.

Okay, okay. You talk more, so your political science might "refute" the science I show.

When have you ever shown anything that even resembled science?

All you do is blather on and on about off-topic bullshit that nobody wants to read
legendary
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Merit: 1373
February 21, 2016, 06:47:37 PM
Clearly God exists... Just look at humans for example...

Humans live forever

Humans never get cancer

Our hair doesn't turn gray and fall out

Our teeth always come in straight and never get cavities

I have never been sick or tired or hungry

Why do humans need to spend 1/3 of our lives.... Asleep?

Why do we have tonsils, appendix, gall bladder, and the hiccups?

Yup, humans are clearly perfect, and designed by a perfect God

Clearly God exists. Just look at what humans have done to themselves ^^^. But God is saving the ones who will accept salvation.

Cool

So all the things mentioned before we caused them to ourselves?

Yes, one way or another.    Cool

Your mind is really gone, isn't it? You'd say anything just to get your way, no matter how crazy.

You have been smoking too much of that stuff. That's why you can't understand simple science.

Cool

Son, you're really out there, aren't you?

In there or out there doesn't matter. You haven't been able to refute the science I show.

Okay, okay. You talk more, so your political science might "refute" the science I show.

Cool
sr. member
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February 21, 2016, 06:43:15 PM
Clearly God exists... Just look at humans for example...

Humans live forever

Humans never get cancer

Our hair doesn't turn gray and fall out

Our teeth always come in straight and never get cavities

I have never been sick or tired or hungry

Why do humans need to spend 1/3 of our lives.... Asleep?

Why do we have tonsils, appendix, gall bladder, and the hiccups?

Yup, humans are clearly perfect, and designed by a perfect God

Clearly God exists. Just look at what humans have done to themselves ^^^. But God is saving the ones who will accept salvation.

Cool

So all the things mentioned before we caused them to ourselves?

Yes, one way or another.    Cool

Your mind is really gone, isn't it? You'd say anything just to get your way, no matter how crazy.

You have been smoking too much of that stuff. That's why you can't understand simple science.

Cool

Son, you're really out there, aren't you?
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
February 21, 2016, 06:41:48 PM
Clearly God exists... Just look at humans for example...

Humans live forever

Humans never get cancer

Our hair doesn't turn gray and fall out

Our teeth always come in straight and never get cavities

I have never been sick or tired or hungry

Why do humans need to spend 1/3 of our lives.... Asleep?

Why do we have tonsils, appendix, gall bladder, and the hiccups?

Yup, humans are clearly perfect, and designed by a perfect God

Clearly God exists. Just look at what humans have done to themselves ^^^. But God is saving the ones who will accept salvation.

Cool

So all the things mentioned before we caused them to ourselves?

Yes, one way or another.    Cool

Your mind is really gone, isn't it? You'd say anything just to get your way, no matter how crazy.

You have been smoking too much of that stuff. That's why you can't understand simple science.

Cool
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
February 21, 2016, 06:40:38 PM

It is still a human being that was set up by the conception process, which is way more complex by being able to set the whole thing going through pre-programming that is in the genes of the egg and sperm.

Cool

Is the 8 week old baby more complex than 2 weeks old baby?  Answer Yes or No please.

You understand the question, don't you?

Your question is irrelevant to the complexity ideas we were talking about. But I will answer it anyway. Yes. HOWEVER, the process of conception that programmed and set up the person at all stages is way more complex than the person.

Cool
legendary
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February 21, 2016, 06:37:33 PM

How dense of you. The chemical reactions in both cases are way more complex than the results.

Cool

Ah! Now we're getting somewhere. How are you measuring the change in complexity? Or are you just making an assumption>

When somebody has found a way to track all the electrons, protons, and neutrons in a chemical action, plus all the energies involved in the reaction, you might get the answer to your question. Nobody tracks it. We can't, although we might track a little of it sometime. Just because we have figured out how it works, doesn't mean that we can track the parts as they are doing their thing.

Cool

So, In summary:

Either the examples I gave -- Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals and wood burning to create smoke -- have the following unmeasureable pathways:

Complex material -> Complex reaction -> Simple material or;
Simple material -> Complex reaction -> Complex material

So using your explanation, in at least one of the cases something complex comes from something simple.


Didn't I say something about measuring all the particles and energies? Ah, yes, I did. But I also meant measuring their every relationship to each other. If you attempt to do this, you will find that the energies, the particles, their conversions molecularly, their relational positions, inside the conversion process, are way more complex than the end result that they produce.

Attempts to make measurements like this have been attempted for years using microcalorimetric functions. But it still is way beyond our reach because of the complexity involved.

Cool
sr. member
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February 21, 2016, 06:33:06 PM
Clearly God exists... Just look at humans for example...

Humans live forever

Humans never get cancer

Our hair doesn't turn gray and fall out

Our teeth always come in straight and never get cavities

I have never been sick or tired or hungry

Why do humans need to spend 1/3 of our lives.... Asleep?

Why do we have tonsils, appendix, gall bladder, and the hiccups?

Yup, humans are clearly perfect, and designed by a perfect God

Clearly God exists. Just look at what humans have done to themselves ^^^. But God is saving the ones who will accept salvation.

Cool

So all the things mentioned before we caused them to ourselves?

Yes, one way or another.    Cool

Your mind is really gone, isn't it? You'd say anything just to get your way, no matter how crazy.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
February 21, 2016, 06:31:07 PM
Clearly God exists... Just look at humans for example...

Humans live forever

Humans never get cancer

Our hair doesn't turn gray and fall out

Our teeth always come in straight and never get cavities

I have never been sick or tired or hungry

Why do humans need to spend 1/3 of our lives.... Asleep?

Why do we have tonsils, appendix, gall bladder, and the hiccups?

Yup, humans are clearly perfect, and designed by a perfect God

Clearly God exists. Just look at what humans have done to themselves ^^^. But God is saving the ones who will accept salvation.

Cool

So all the things mentioned before we caused them to ourselves?

Yes, one way or another.    Cool
legendary
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Merit: 1468
February 21, 2016, 06:26:47 PM

It is still a human being that was set up by the conception process, which is way more complex by being able to set the whole thing going through pre-programming that is in the genes of the egg and sperm.

Cool

Is the 8 week old baby more complex than 2 weeks old baby?  Answer Yes or No please.

You understand the question, don't you?
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1007
Poor impulse control.
February 21, 2016, 06:18:18 PM

How dense of you. The chemical reactions in both cases are way more complex than the results.

Cool

Ah! Now we're getting somewhere. How are you measuring the change in complexity? Or are you just making an assumption>

When somebody has found a way to track all the electrons, protons, and neutrons in a chemical action, plus all the energies involved in the reaction, you might get the answer to your question. Nobody tracks it. We can't, although we might track a little of it sometime. Just because we have figured out how it works, doesn't mean that we can track the parts as they are doing their thing.

Cool

So, In summary:

Either the examples I gave -- Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals and wood burning to create smoke -- have the following unmeasureable pathways:

Complex material -> Complex reaction -> Simple material or;
Simple material -> Complex reaction -> Complex material

So using your explanation, in at least one of the cases something complex comes from something simple.



sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
★YoBit.Net★ 350+ Coins Exchange & Dice
February 21, 2016, 06:17:30 PM
Clearly God exists... Just look at humans for example...

Humans live forever

Humans never get cancer

Our hair doesn't turn gray and fall out

Our teeth always come in straight and never get cavities

I have never been sick or tired or hungry

Why do humans need to spend 1/3 of our lives.... Asleep?

Why do we have tonsils, appendix, gall bladder, and the hiccups?

Yup, humans are clearly perfect, and designed by a perfect God

Clearly God exists. Just look at what humans have done to themselves ^^^. But God is saving the ones who will accept salvation.

Cool

So all the things mentioned before we caused them to ourselves?
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
February 21, 2016, 06:16:10 PM
Clearly God exists... Just look at humans for example...

Humans live forever

Humans never get cancer

Our hair doesn't turn gray and fall out

Our teeth always come in straight and never get cavities

I have never been sick or tired or hungry

Why do humans need to spend 1/3 of our lives.... Asleep?

Why do we have tonsils, appendix, gall bladder, and the hiccups?

Yup, humans are clearly perfect, and designed by a perfect God

Clearly God exists. Just look at what humans have done to themselves ^^^. But God is saving the ones who will accept salvation.

Cool
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
February 21, 2016, 06:15:04 PM
Can not be proven for something that you can not see. Unfortunately, there is no conclusive evidence that this being exists and many people rely on hard physical facts to make this decision if something truly exists, in our world that is.

Can be proven by the fact that the whole universe would be extremely different, if it existed at all, without cause and effect, universal entropy, and complex universe. And God, by the dictionary definition, fits the result of these three scientific facts.

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sr. member
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February 21, 2016, 06:14:31 PM
I don't like and want to insult people but this is getting more and more stupid by the minute.
legendary
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February 21, 2016, 06:12:21 PM
How dense of you. The chemical reactions in both cases are way more complex than the results.

Cool

Ah! Now we're getting somewhere. How are you measuring the change in complexity? Or are you just making an assumption>

When somebody has found a way to track all the electrons, protons, and neutrons in a chemical action, plus all the energies involved in the reaction, you might get the answer to your question. Nobody tracks it. We can't, although we might track a little of it sometime. Just because we have figured out how it works, doesn't mean that we can track the parts as they are doing their thing.

Cool

So you're just supposing things are that way.

So you're just supposing that things are some other way.    Cool
hero member
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February 21, 2016, 06:07:42 PM
Clearly God exists... Just look at humans for example...

Humans live forever

Humans never get cancer

Our hair doesn't turn gray and fall out

Our teeth always come in straight and never get cavities

I have never been sick or tired or hungry

Why do humans need to spend 1/3 of our lives.... Asleep?

Why do we have tonsils, appendix, gall bladder, and the hiccups?

Yup, humans are clearly perfect, and designed by a perfect God
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