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Entropy means heat/disorder/randomness, not complexity...

Exactly. Entropy means the breaking down of complexity in dispersal, diffusion, and equilibratory action happening on everything in the universe, even on heat energy.

Since entropy is the result of every action, at least to some small extent, nothing more complex can come from something less complex.

That is an ignorant assumption... just because the end result is less complex than right now, does not mean it cannot be more complex during the intermediary stages...

It's like saying that water will always equilibriate to room temperature, but it could never get hot or cold for even a moment... sure, it can... prove it cant

Let me break it down for you...

universe started less complex, became more complex, and ends less complex... its that middle part you keep neglecting

Yeah but he doesn't give a fuck, he doesn't even understand what entropy is. He just links it to complexity whereas it's only a matter of energy and order!

He seems to have a problem understanding words in general... Any word with multiple meaning trips him up... I don't understand how he makes it through life...

When a guy says, "form a line", does he grab a piece of paper and draw a line?

If a cop asks him to, "take it slow", does he slowly grab for the cop's gun?

He can't seriously be as stupid as he pretends...

But you are voluntarily more ignorant than I could ever pretend. Cool

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Quote from: blackbird307 on February 21, 2016, 12:51:19 PM

Ignorance is bliss.

Except in the judgment where you will have to answer to God. Cool

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The fact that I don't know everything about entropy doesn't have anything to do with it. Why not? Because nobody but nobody knows everything about entropy. The things that we DO know about entropy show that nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex than both.

BADecker, we had this discussion before and I explained in detail why entropy is not the same as complexity, and why what you just wrote is wrong.

Should we have that discussion again, or just link to the relevant thread?

You are so silly. For example, if I point out the sky to you, and then explain that the sky is blue, this doesn't mean that I am the sky, right? In a similar way entropy expresses basics about complexity. But that doesn't mean that entropy is complexity, right?

But go ahead. Knock yourself out (Sean Connery said that in "Medicine Man"... the Knock yourself out, part). Explain some more that entropy isn't complexity if you like.

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Your statement: "nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex" is false.

Do you have an example of things as you say? After all, you can see cause and effect all over the place. Certainly there is complexity all around us. Everything wears out and disperses and dissipates as entropy predicts.

Takes two people to make a child - greater complexity making lesser complexity. People make cars - greater complexity making lesser complexity. What is your example regarding the reverse, lesser complexity making greater complexity?

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How are you measuring the complexity of a child vis a vis the complexity of an adult? How about parents having octuplets -- surely eight babies in one birth are more complex than two adults?

The complexity of conception is greater the child. Why? Because no child comes about without it. Even if we can create a child in the lab and test tube without standard conception, no conception happens without the complexity of the things that cause it to happen.

Cause and effect stand. No cause to make conception happen, no child.

Conception is more complex than the child, because without its complexity, no child would happen.

This is a circular argument. You are in effect saying that the complexity of conception is greater than the complexity of a child because it would only happen if one was more complex than the other.

Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals. Which is more complex?
Wood burns to create smoke. Which is more complex?

That's what I tried to explain earlier, if you try to say anything logical or scientific, at least respect the first principle and:
DEFINE YOUR TERMS!!!

So wanna talk about complexity? Define it and link it to entropy!

Full entropic conditions would have all mass and energy dispersed evenly throughout all space and time. Is something like that complexity? Not at all.

Complexity is where pieces of matter and energy are bunched together and behave in special ways that would not exist if everything were dispersed evenly throughout all space and time. This is complexity, and it is the exact opposite of entropy which is/does the dispersing.

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Quote from: Moloch on February 21, 2016, 01:38:29 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 20, 2016, 10:37:43 PM

Quote from: Moloch on February 19, 2016, 08:53:17 PM

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Entropy means heat/disorder/randomness, not complexity...

Exactly. Entropy means the breaking down of complexity in dispersal, diffusion, and equilibratory action happening on everything in the universe, even on heat energy.

Since entropy is the result of every action, at least to some small extent, nothing more complex can come from something less complex.

That is an ignorant assumption... just because the end result is less complex than right now, does not mean it cannot be more complex during the intermediary stages...

It's like saying that water will always equilibriate to room temperature, but it could never get hot or cold for even a moment... sure, it can... prove it cant

Let me break it down for you...

universe started less complex, became more complex, and ends less complex... its that middle part you keep neglecting

Except that these things that you say are not seen anywhere in the universe.

All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.

While I don't accept Big Bang as truth, do you think for a minute that Big Bang would be less complex than the universe it created? Take that tiny, virtually no-volume point that was the Big Bang before it "exploded." Then, boom, and we have all this complexity. Are you so dense that that you would think that the Big Bang was was less complex, while it was holding all this universal complexity in one tiny point?

Wake up.

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Entropy means heat/disorder/randomness, not complexity...

Exactly. Entropy means the breaking down of complexity in dispersal, diffusion, and equilibratory action happening on everything in the universe, even on heat energy.

Since entropy is the result of every action, at least to some small extent, nothing more complex can come from something less complex.

That is an ignorant assumption... just because the end result is less complex than right now, does not mean it cannot be more complex during the intermediary stages...

It's like saying that water will always equilibriate to room temperature, but it could never get hot or cold for even a moment... sure, it can... prove it cant

Let me break it down for you...

universe started less complex, became more complex, and ends less complex... its that middle part you keep neglecting

Yeah but he doesn't give a fuck, he doesn't even understand what entropy is. He just links it to complexity whereas it's only a matter of energy and order!

He seems to have a problem understanding words in general... Any word with multiple meaning trips him up... I don't understand how he makes it through life...

When a guy says, "form a line", does he grab a piece of paper and draw a line?

If a cop asks him to, "take it slow", does he slowly grab for the cop's gun?

He can't seriously be as stupid as he pretends...

First thing first: don't underestimate him!

And second thing: I don't know either, it's a bit strange to imagine how the fuck he could understand so little things...

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don't underestimate him!

As I was saying - funny and sad.

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Quote from: Moloch on February 21, 2016, 12:57:06 PM

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Quote from: Moloch on February 19, 2016, 08:53:17 PM

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Entropy means heat/disorder/randomness, not complexity...

Exactly. Entropy means the breaking down of complexity in dispersal, diffusion, and equilibratory action happening on everything in the universe, even on heat energy.

Since entropy is the result of every action, at least to some small extent, nothing more complex can come from something less complex.

That is an ignorant assumption... just because the end result is less complex than right now, does not mean it cannot be more complex during the intermediary stages...

It's like saying that water will always equilibriate to room temperature, but it could never get hot or cold for even a moment... sure, it can... prove it cant

Let me break it down for you...

universe started less complex, became more complex, and ends less complex... its that middle part you keep neglecting

Yeah but he doesn't give a fuck, he doesn't even understand what entropy is. He just links it to complexity whereas it's only a matter of energy and order!

He seems to have a problem understanding words in general... Any word with multiple meaning trips him up... I don't understand how he makes it through life...

When a guy says, "form a line", does he grab a piece of paper and draw a line?

If a cop asks him to, "take it slow", does he slowly grab for the cop's gun?

He can't seriously be as stupid as he pretends...

First thing first: don't underestimate him!

And second thing: I don't know either, it's a bit strange to imagine how the fuck he could understand so little things...

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Quote from: blackbird307 on February 21, 2016, 12:51:19 PM

Ignorance is bliss.

i agree with you ignorance is the best thing on this creepy earth.. i love being ignorant to religious staff..

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Quote from: Moloch on February 21, 2016, 12:57:06 PM

Quote from: craked5 on February 21, 2016, 06:53:40 AM

Quote from: Moloch on February 21, 2016, 01:38:29 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 20, 2016, 10:37:43 PM

Quote from: Moloch on February 19, 2016, 08:53:17 PM

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Entropy means heat/disorder/randomness, not complexity...

Exactly. Entropy means the breaking down of complexity in dispersal, diffusion, and equilibratory action happening on everything in the universe, even on heat energy.

Since entropy is the result of every action, at least to some small extent, nothing more complex can come from something less complex.

That is an ignorant assumption... just because the end result is less complex than right now, does not mean it cannot be more complex during the intermediary stages...

It's like saying that water will always equilibriate to room temperature, but it could never get hot or cold for even a moment... sure, it can... prove it cant

Let me break it down for you...

universe started less complex, became more complex, and ends less complex... its that middle part you keep neglecting

Yeah but he doesn't give a fuck, he doesn't even understand what entropy is. He just links it to complexity whereas it's only a matter of energy and order!

He seems to have a problem understanding words in general... Any word with multiple meaning trips him up... I don't understand how he makes it through life...

When a guy says, "form a line", does he grab a piece of paper and draw a line?

If a cop asks him to, "take it slow", does he slowly grab for the cop's gun?

He can't seriously be as stupid as he pretends...

Everything's is possible. I mean - there is an old guy in the sky that can do everything.

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Regarding Bible, to all the Christian fruit cakes, can you point me to any of your pseudo scientific sources that have any proof of who actually
wrote these vile books. Here is your chance to blame someone else and defend your God.

Nobody actually knows who wrote each book... some are obvious forgeries (the true author is not the person claiming to be the author)... the 4 gospels clearly plagiarized vast sections from each other...

Even the first 4 books, commonly attributed to Moses, are thought to have been written by 4 separate people... mixed together... taking turns writing different lines... it is quite clear when you study the different writing styles:

It also explains the redundancies... like why God repeats the exact same command multiple times... or why God created the universe in Genesis 1, then he does it all over again in the next fucking chapter... (notice chapter 1 is blue and chapter 2 is red?)

This is getting more ridiculous...

from Christian site:
http://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/holy-bible/?utm_campaign=Bible+Silo&utm_medium=Holy+Bible&utm_source=PPC&utm_term=Who+Wrote+the+Bible

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God tells us He inspired the Holy Bible. Even though the 66 books of the Holy Bible were written over a period of 1,500 years by about 40 authors, each with a personal style, there is an amazing consistency to its message and teaching that displays the ultimate authorship of God (2 Timothy 3:16 ).

So the God tells them he inspired it because people who wrote it said that God inspired it? Makes sense; like the rest of it.
Fuck me and call me Tracy.

He could not just tell one guy what to write? It had to be over the course of 1500 years and 40 guys?

So basically we don't know who wrote this thing. No one to blame. How convenient?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible

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Entropy means heat/disorder/randomness, not complexity...

Exactly. Entropy means the breaking down of complexity in dispersal, diffusion, and equilibratory action happening on everything in the universe, even on heat energy.

Since entropy is the result of every action, at least to some small extent, nothing more complex can come from something less complex.

That is an ignorant assumption... just because the end result is less complex than right now, does not mean it cannot be more complex during the intermediary stages...

It's like saying that water will always equilibriate to room temperature, but it could never get hot or cold for even a moment... sure, it can... prove it cant

Let me break it down for you...

universe started less complex, became more complex, and ends less complex... its that middle part you keep neglecting

Yeah but he doesn't give a fuck, he doesn't even understand what entropy is. He just links it to complexity whereas it's only a matter of energy and order!

He seems to have a problem understanding words in general... Any word with multiple meaning trips him up... I don't understand how he makes it through life...

When a guy says, "form a line", does he grab a piece of paper and draw a line?

If a cop asks him to, "take it slow", does he slowly grab for the cop's gun?

He can't seriously be as stupid as he pretends...

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And in the Middle Ages people were afraid of tomatoes because they were red. We learn and grow. Same thing.

Hahaha... The Middle Ages were not even that long ago... and they used leeches as medicine... to suck that evil blood out of your body... because, yeah, that makes sense...

Then ya think... hmmm... the bible was written 1500+ years BEFORE THE MIDDLE AGES

And is responsible for midle age in fact. Without the Bible there would have been no Midle age when you think about it

Close... without the bible there would be no Dark Ages... though, you could argue that the Dark Ages are the Middle Ages... so I suppose you are partially correct...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)

I however, would have preferred to skip the Dark Ages... full of Christians killing everyone... the Crusades... the Inquisition... good times, eh?
Probably only set scientific progress back by 500 years

Well thanks to the Bible doctors thought for 1000 years that women had two vaginas. Anything more to add? ^^

Too many things to list....It is mind boggling.

How do they think the Bible was written? Angels whispered wisdom to whoever was listening, then those people actually wrote this down?
Or they believe God came down, became human and wrote this down, or the books just appeared?

Seriously, I'd like to know. Moloch, do you know? What is the story behind this story.

I'm not clear who actually wrote this shit.

Christians used to believe that God wrote it himself... (nevermind the fact that the bible was put together in 331CE, after some dudes in a dark room voted on which books to include... how can you vote on which books God wrote?)

Then science came along and proved a few things are factually incorrect in the bible...

This led Christians to start calling it, "divinely inspired"... because it can't be God's perfect word if it isn't perfect, right?

Reminds me of Global Warming changing the name to Climate Change... After 14 years of no warming... they had to change the name...
(yeah, I'm one of those guys who doesn't believe CO2 causes global warming)

Really? Same here. I think it is related to Sun getting warmer, heating up all planets. Probably a cyclical thing.
We pollute and destroy environment like no time in history but the warming part caused by us is questionable.

Regarding Bible, to all the Christian fruit cakes, can you point me to any of your pseudo scientific sources that have any proof of who actually
wrote these vile books. Here is your chance to blame someone else and defend your God.

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