Topic: Proof that God exists - page 35. (Read 62293 times)
Can not be proven for something that you can not see. Unfortunately, there is no conclusive evidence that this being exists and many people rely on hard physical facts to make this decision if something truly exists, in our world that is.
How dense of you. The chemical reactions in both cases are way more complex than the results.
Ah! Now we're getting somewhere. How are you measuring the change in complexity? Or are you just making an assumption>
When somebody has found a way to track all the electrons, protons, and neutrons in a chemical action, plus all the energies involved in the reaction, you might get the answer to your question. Nobody tracks it. We can't, although we might track a little of it sometime. Just because we have figured out how it works, doesn't mean that we can track the parts as they are doing their thing.
So you're just supposing things are that way.
How dense of you. The chemical reactions in both cases are way more complex than the results.
Ah! Now we're getting somewhere. How are you measuring the change in complexity? Or are you just making an assumption>
When somebody has found a way to track all the electrons, protons, and neutrons in a chemical action, plus all the energies involved in the reaction, you might get the answer to your question. Nobody tracks it. We can't, although we might track a little of it sometime. Just because we have figured out how it works, doesn't mean that we can track the parts as they are doing their thing.
How dense of you. The chemical reactions in both cases are way more complex than the results.
Ah! Now we're getting somewhere. How are you measuring the change in complexity? Or are you just making an assumption>
...nonsense...
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
WTF are you talking about? Sperm+egg are less complex than a grown human.
But you don't get a sperm and egg from the same person. Sperm and egg are far greater complexity that the result it produces.
Don't you get it yet? A sperm together with an egg produce a person. The person can't produce another person. It is only when the person gets together with another person of the opposite sex that a new person can be produced. Two people/ sperm and egg. are more complex than one person who can't do what they do.
Sperm and egg are not more complex than a grown human being. Sperm is not a man. Egg is not a woman.
By the same token, just conceived baby is more complex at 8 weeks than it is at 2 weeks.
nonsense follows:
Grown man, or grown woman, or baby all alone cannot make new baby. Why not? Not complex enough. Must join to get complexity of sperm and egg to make new baby.
It is still a human being that was set up by the conception process, which is way more complex by being able to set the whole thing going through pre-programming that is in the genes of the egg and sperm.
@BADecker, I didn't want you to miss this after the fold:
The fact that I don't know everything about entropy doesn't have anything to do with it. Why not? Because nobody but nobody knows everything about entropy. The things that we DO know about entropy show that nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex than both.
BADecker, we had this discussion before and I explained in detail why entropy is not the same as complexity, and why what you just wrote is wrong.
Should we have that discussion again, or just link to the relevant thread?
You are so silly. For example, if I point out the sky to you, and then explain that the sky is blue, this doesn't mean that I am the sky, right? In a similar way entropy expresses basics about complexity. But that doesn't mean that entropy is complexity, right?
But go ahead. Knock yourself out (Sean Connery said that in "Medicine Man"... the Knock yourself out, part). Explain some more that entropy isn't complexity if you like.
Your statement: "nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex" is false.
Do you have an example of things as you say? After all, you can see cause and effect all over the place. Certainly there is complexity all around us. Everything wears out and disperses and dissipates as entropy predicts.
Takes two people to make a child - greater complexity making lesser complexity. People make cars - greater complexity making lesser complexity. What is your example regarding the reverse, lesser complexity making greater complexity?
How are you measuring the complexity of a child vis a vis the complexity of an adult? How about parents having octuplets -- surely eight babies in one birth are more complex than two adults?
The complexity of conception is greater the child. Why? Because no child comes about without it. Even if we can create a child in the lab and test tube without standard conception, no conception happens without the complexity of the things that cause it to happen.
Cause and effect stand. No cause to make conception happen, no child.
Conception is more complex than the child, because without its complexity, no child would happen.
This is a circular argument. You are in effect saying that the complexity of conception is greater than the complexity of a child because it would only happen if the one was more complex than the other.
Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals. Which is more complex?
Wood burns to create smoke. Which is more complex?
The fact that I don't know everything about entropy doesn't have anything to do with it. Why not? Because nobody but nobody knows everything about entropy. The things that we DO know about entropy show that nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex than both.
BADecker, we had this discussion before and I explained in detail why entropy is not the same as complexity, and why what you just wrote is wrong.
Should we have that discussion again, or just link to the relevant thread?
You are so silly. For example, if I point out the sky to you, and then explain that the sky is blue, this doesn't mean that I am the sky, right? In a similar way entropy expresses basics about complexity. But that doesn't mean that entropy is complexity, right?
But go ahead. Knock yourself out (Sean Connery said that in "Medicine Man"... the Knock yourself out, part). Explain some more that entropy isn't complexity if you like.
Your statement: "nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex" is false.
Do you have an example of things as you say? After all, you can see cause and effect all over the place. Certainly there is complexity all around us. Everything wears out and disperses and dissipates as entropy predicts.
Takes two people to make a child - greater complexity making lesser complexity. People make cars - greater complexity making lesser complexity. What is your example regarding the reverse, lesser complexity making greater complexity?
How are you measuring the complexity of a child vis a vis the complexity of an adult? How about parents having octuplets -- surely eight babies in one birth are more complex than two adults?
The complexity of conception is greater the child. Why? Because no child comes about without it. Even if we can create a child in the lab and test tube without standard conception, no conception happens without the complexity of the things that cause it to happen.
Cause and effect stand. No cause to make conception happen, no child.
Conception is more complex than the child, because without its complexity, no child would happen.
This is a circular argument. You are in effect saying that the complexity of conception is greater than the complexity of a child because it would only happen if the one was more complex than the other.
Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals. Which is more complex?
Wood burns to create smoke. Which is more complex?
And I just showed you right here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13965725 how you are mistaken. You and your political science when you can't prove real science wrong.
That wasn't my post.
Again:
Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals. Which is more complex?
Wood burns to create smoke. Which is more complex?
How dense of you. The chemical reactions in both cases are way more complex than the results.
...nonsense...
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
WTF are you talking about? Sperm+egg are less complex than a grown human.
But you don't get a sperm and egg from the same person. Sperm and egg are far greater complexity that the result it produces.
Don't you get it yet? A sperm together with an egg produce a person. The person can't produce another person. It is only when the person gets together with another person of the opposite sex that a new person can be produced. Two people/ sperm and egg. are more complex than one person who can't do what they do.
Sperm and egg are not more complex than a grown human being. Sperm is not a man. Egg is not a woman.
By the same token, just conceived baby is more complex at 8 weeks than it is at 2 weeks.
nonsense follows:
Grown man, or grown woman, or baby all alone cannot make new baby. Why not? Not complex enough. Must join to get complexity of sperm and egg to make new baby.
...nonsense...
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
WTF are you talking about? Sperm+egg are less complex than a grown human.
But you don't get a sperm and egg from the same person. Sperm and egg are far greater complexity that the result it produces.
Don't you get it yet? A sperm together with an egg produce a person. The person can't produce another person. It is only when the person gets together with another person of the opposite sex that a new person can be produced. Two people/ sperm and egg. are more complex than one person who can't do what they do.
Sperm and egg are not more complex than a grown human being. Sperm is not a man. Egg is not a woman.
By the same token, just conceived baby is more complex at 8 weeks than it is at 2 weeks.
Grown man, or grown woman, or baby all alone cannot make new baby. Why not? Not complex enough. Must join to get complexity of sperm and egg to make new baby.
@BADecker, I didn't want you to miss this after the fold:
The fact that I don't know everything about entropy doesn't have anything to do with it. Why not? Because nobody but nobody knows everything about entropy. The things that we DO know about entropy show that nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex than both.
BADecker, we had this discussion before and I explained in detail why entropy is not the same as complexity, and why what you just wrote is wrong.
Should we have that discussion again, or just link to the relevant thread?
You are so silly. For example, if I point out the sky to you, and then explain that the sky is blue, this doesn't mean that I am the sky, right? In a similar way entropy expresses basics about complexity. But that doesn't mean that entropy is complexity, right?
But go ahead. Knock yourself out (Sean Connery said that in "Medicine Man"... the Knock yourself out, part). Explain some more that entropy isn't complexity if you like.
Your statement: "nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex" is false.
Do you have an example of things as you say? After all, you can see cause and effect all over the place. Certainly there is complexity all around us. Everything wears out and disperses and dissipates as entropy predicts.
Takes two people to make a child - greater complexity making lesser complexity. People make cars - greater complexity making lesser complexity. What is your example regarding the reverse, lesser complexity making greater complexity?
How are you measuring the complexity of a child vis a vis the complexity of an adult? How about parents having octuplets -- surely eight babies in one birth are more complex than two adults?
The complexity of conception is greater the child. Why? Because no child comes about without it. Even if we can create a child in the lab and test tube without standard conception, no conception happens without the complexity of the things that cause it to happen.
Cause and effect stand. No cause to make conception happen, no child.
Conception is more complex than the child, because without its complexity, no child would happen.
This is a circular argument. You are in effect saying that the complexity of conception is greater than the complexity of a child because it would only happen if the one was more complex than the other.
Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals. Which is more complex?
Wood burns to create smoke. Which is more complex?
The fact that I don't know everything about entropy doesn't have anything to do with it. Why not? Because nobody but nobody knows everything about entropy. The things that we DO know about entropy show that nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex than both.
BADecker, we had this discussion before and I explained in detail why entropy is not the same as complexity, and why what you just wrote is wrong.
Should we have that discussion again, or just link to the relevant thread?
You are so silly. For example, if I point out the sky to you, and then explain that the sky is blue, this doesn't mean that I am the sky, right? In a similar way entropy expresses basics about complexity. But that doesn't mean that entropy is complexity, right?
But go ahead. Knock yourself out (Sean Connery said that in "Medicine Man"... the Knock yourself out, part). Explain some more that entropy isn't complexity if you like.
Your statement: "nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex" is false.
Do you have an example of things as you say? After all, you can see cause and effect all over the place. Certainly there is complexity all around us. Everything wears out and disperses and dissipates as entropy predicts.
Takes two people to make a child - greater complexity making lesser complexity. People make cars - greater complexity making lesser complexity. What is your example regarding the reverse, lesser complexity making greater complexity?
How are you measuring the complexity of a child vis a vis the complexity of an adult? How about parents having octuplets -- surely eight babies in one birth are more complex than two adults?
The complexity of conception is greater the child. Why? Because no child comes about without it. Even if we can create a child in the lab and test tube without standard conception, no conception happens without the complexity of the things that cause it to happen.
Cause and effect stand. No cause to make conception happen, no child.
Conception is more complex than the child, because without its complexity, no child would happen.
This is a circular argument. You are in effect saying that the complexity of conception is greater than the complexity of a child because it would only happen if the one was more complex than the other.
Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals. Which is more complex?
Wood burns to create smoke. Which is more complex?
And I just showed you right here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13965725 how you are mistaken. You and your political science when you can't prove real science wrong.
That wasn't my post.
Again:
Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals. Which is more complex?
Wood burns to create smoke. Which is more complex?
...nonsense...
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
WTF are you talking about? Sperm+egg are less complex than a grown human.
But you don't get a sperm and egg from the same person. Sperm and egg are far greater complexity that the result it produces.
Don't you get it yet? A sperm together with an egg produce a person. The person can't produce another person. It is only when the person gets together with another person of the opposite sex that a new person can be produced. Two people/ sperm and egg. are more complex than one person who can't do what they do.
Sperm and egg are not more complex than a grown human being. Sperm is not a man. Egg is not a woman.
By the same token, just conceived baby is more complex at 8 weeks than it is at 2 weeks.
@BADecker, I didn't want you to miss this after the fold:
The fact that I don't know everything about entropy doesn't have anything to do with it. Why not? Because nobody but nobody knows everything about entropy. The things that we DO know about entropy show that nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex than both.
BADecker, we had this discussion before and I explained in detail why entropy is not the same as complexity, and why what you just wrote is wrong.
Should we have that discussion again, or just link to the relevant thread?
You are so silly. For example, if I point out the sky to you, and then explain that the sky is blue, this doesn't mean that I am the sky, right? In a similar way entropy expresses basics about complexity. But that doesn't mean that entropy is complexity, right?
But go ahead. Knock yourself out (Sean Connery said that in "Medicine Man"... the Knock yourself out, part). Explain some more that entropy isn't complexity if you like.
Your statement: "nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex" is false.
Do you have an example of things as you say? After all, you can see cause and effect all over the place. Certainly there is complexity all around us. Everything wears out and disperses and dissipates as entropy predicts.
Takes two people to make a child - greater complexity making lesser complexity. People make cars - greater complexity making lesser complexity. What is your example regarding the reverse, lesser complexity making greater complexity?
How are you measuring the complexity of a child vis a vis the complexity of an adult? How about parents having octuplets -- surely eight babies in one birth are more complex than two adults?
The complexity of conception is greater the child. Why? Because no child comes about without it. Even if we can create a child in the lab and test tube without standard conception, no conception happens without the complexity of the things that cause it to happen.
Cause and effect stand. No cause to make conception happen, no child.
Conception is more complex than the child, because without its complexity, no child would happen.
This is a circular argument. You are in effect saying that the complexity of conception is greater than the complexity of a child because it would only happen if the one was more complex than the other.
Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals. Which is more complex?
Wood burns to create smoke. Which is more complex?
The fact that I don't know everything about entropy doesn't have anything to do with it. Why not? Because nobody but nobody knows everything about entropy. The things that we DO know about entropy show that nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex than both.
BADecker, we had this discussion before and I explained in detail why entropy is not the same as complexity, and why what you just wrote is wrong.
Should we have that discussion again, or just link to the relevant thread?
You are so silly. For example, if I point out the sky to you, and then explain that the sky is blue, this doesn't mean that I am the sky, right? In a similar way entropy expresses basics about complexity. But that doesn't mean that entropy is complexity, right?
But go ahead. Knock yourself out (Sean Connery said that in "Medicine Man"... the Knock yourself out, part). Explain some more that entropy isn't complexity if you like.
Your statement: "nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex" is false.
Do you have an example of things as you say? After all, you can see cause and effect all over the place. Certainly there is complexity all around us. Everything wears out and disperses and dissipates as entropy predicts.
Takes two people to make a child - greater complexity making lesser complexity. People make cars - greater complexity making lesser complexity. What is your example regarding the reverse, lesser complexity making greater complexity?
How are you measuring the complexity of a child vis a vis the complexity of an adult? How about parents having octuplets -- surely eight babies in one birth are more complex than two adults?
The complexity of conception is greater the child. Why? Because no child comes about without it. Even if we can create a child in the lab and test tube without standard conception, no conception happens without the complexity of the things that cause it to happen.
Cause and effect stand. No cause to make conception happen, no child.
Conception is more complex than the child, because without its complexity, no child would happen.
This is a circular argument. You are in effect saying that the complexity of conception is greater than the complexity of a child because it would only happen if the one was more complex than the other.
Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals. Which is more complex?
Wood burns to create smoke. Which is more complex?
And I just showed you right here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13965725 how you are mistaken. You and your political science when you can't prove real science wrong.
I was going to a christian school as a child groups 1-8, learned a lot and was also lead to believe there had do me something of great power out there.
Maybe a god maybe something else, but later in highschool I learned all the different religions on our planet think god is the same god as all the other different gods from different religions.
And that really was the point where I was hell no, how can they be the same god but give all the people different rules.
And now I am a lot older and I think that religion is a bad thing for the world.
Maybe a god maybe something else, but later in highschool I learned all the different religions on our planet think god is the same god as all the other different gods from different religions.
And that really was the point where I was hell no, how can they be the same god but give all the people different rules.
And now I am a lot older and I think that religion is a bad thing for the world.
There is One Great God. Everybody knows about Him in their hearts, because He is the Thing that made their identity to be similar to His in some ways.
Because people don't know much about that God, they envision Him in different ways. Finally, some of them start believing that the things that they envision are the true God. That's when they start to turn to false gods.
@BADecker, I didn't want you to miss this after the fold:
The fact that I don't know everything about entropy doesn't have anything to do with it. Why not? Because nobody but nobody knows everything about entropy. The things that we DO know about entropy show that nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex than both.
BADecker, we had this discussion before and I explained in detail why entropy is not the same as complexity, and why what you just wrote is wrong.
Should we have that discussion again, or just link to the relevant thread?
You are so silly. For example, if I point out the sky to you, and then explain that the sky is blue, this doesn't mean that I am the sky, right? In a similar way entropy expresses basics about complexity. But that doesn't mean that entropy is complexity, right?
But go ahead. Knock yourself out (Sean Connery said that in "Medicine Man"... the Knock yourself out, part). Explain some more that entropy isn't complexity if you like.
Your statement: "nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex" is false.
Do you have an example of things as you say? After all, you can see cause and effect all over the place. Certainly there is complexity all around us. Everything wears out and disperses and dissipates as entropy predicts.
Takes two people to make a child - greater complexity making lesser complexity. People make cars - greater complexity making lesser complexity. What is your example regarding the reverse, lesser complexity making greater complexity?
How are you measuring the complexity of a child vis a vis the complexity of an adult? How about parents having octuplets -- surely eight babies in one birth are more complex than two adults?
The complexity of conception is greater the child. Why? Because no child comes about without it. Even if we can create a child in the lab and test tube without standard conception, no conception happens without the complexity of the things that cause it to happen.
Cause and effect stand. No cause to make conception happen, no child.
Conception is more complex than the child, because without its complexity, no child would happen.
This is a circular argument. You are in effect saying that the complexity of conception is greater than the complexity of a child because it would only happen if the one was more complex than the other.
Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals. Which is more complex?
Wood burns to create smoke. Which is more complex?
The fact that I don't know everything about entropy doesn't have anything to do with it. Why not? Because nobody but nobody knows everything about entropy. The things that we DO know about entropy show that nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex than both.
BADecker, we had this discussion before and I explained in detail why entropy is not the same as complexity, and why what you just wrote is wrong.
Should we have that discussion again, or just link to the relevant thread?
You are so silly. For example, if I point out the sky to you, and then explain that the sky is blue, this doesn't mean that I am the sky, right? In a similar way entropy expresses basics about complexity. But that doesn't mean that entropy is complexity, right?
But go ahead. Knock yourself out (Sean Connery said that in "Medicine Man"... the Knock yourself out, part). Explain some more that entropy isn't complexity if you like.
Your statement: "nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex" is false.
Do you have an example of things as you say? After all, you can see cause and effect all over the place. Certainly there is complexity all around us. Everything wears out and disperses and dissipates as entropy predicts.
Takes two people to make a child - greater complexity making lesser complexity. People make cars - greater complexity making lesser complexity. What is your example regarding the reverse, lesser complexity making greater complexity?
How are you measuring the complexity of a child vis a vis the complexity of an adult? How about parents having octuplets -- surely eight babies in one birth are more complex than two adults?
The complexity of conception is greater the child. Why? Because no child comes about without it. Even if we can create a child in the lab and test tube without standard conception, no conception happens without the complexity of the things that cause it to happen.
Cause and effect stand. No cause to make conception happen, no child.
Conception is more complex than the child, because without its complexity, no child would happen.
This is a circular argument. You are in effect saying that the complexity of conception is greater than the complexity of a child because it would only happen if the one was more complex than the other.
Copper sulphate solution precipitates copper sulphate crystals. Which is more complex?
Wood burns to create smoke. Which is more complex?
...nonsense...
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
WTF are you talking about? Sperm+egg are less complex than a grown human.
But you don't get a sperm and egg from the same person. Sperm and egg are far greater complexity that the result it produces.
Don't you get it yet? A sperm together with an egg produce a person. The person can't produce another person. It is only when the person gets together with another person of the opposite sex that a new person can be produced. Two people/ sperm and egg. are more complex than one person who can't do what they do.
I was going to a christian school as a child groups 1-8, learned a lot and was also lead to believe there had do me something of great power out there.
Maybe a god maybe something else, but later in highschool I learned all the different religions on our planet think god is the same god as all the other different gods from different religions.
And that really was the point where I was hell no, how can they be the same god but give all the people different rules.
And now I am a lot older and I think that religion is a bad thing for the world.
Maybe a god maybe something else, but later in highschool I learned all the different religions on our planet think god is the same god as all the other different gods from different religions.
And that really was the point where I was hell no, how can they be the same god but give all the people different rules.
And now I am a lot older and I think that religion is a bad thing for the world.
A punch in the face is less complex than a bruise. Just joking. Go on madam BAD.
...nonsense...
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
WTF are you talking about? Sperm+egg are less complex than a grown human.
But you don't get a sperm and egg from the same person. Sperm and egg are far greater complexity that the result it produces.
...nonsense...
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
WTF are you talking about? Sperm+egg are less complex than a grown human.
Just posting to say I like the way you condense and summarize his speech xD
Pulsarcoin will be release soon
And it will probably be the closest thing to understanding what pulsars are like, especially if you are a standard cosmological scientific theorist.
...nonsense...
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
WTF are you talking about? Sperm+egg are less complex than a grown human.
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