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June 03, 2024, 04:28:22 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-conviction-countries-banned-canada-uk-b2555313.html
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Donald Trump’s felony conviction now means he’s banned from a host of countries including Canada and UK

There are 37 countries that bar felons from entering, even to visit.


So, how does this work for international relations then? Trump is still a felon even if he wins the elections or tries some "me pardons me" manoeuvre of shorts? In theory, many say that he cannot pardon himself for state crimes, such as the one in NY for campaign fraud. This is going to be an interesting situation - many countries will simply say no to him entering.

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Donald J. Trump is now a felon in New York State, and presidential pardon power does not extend to state cases
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I'll play devil's advocate here. While Trump can't pardon himself from this, supreme court could complicate things and just end democracy in US as we know it. And those muppets in US have some weird enough ideas to keep rest of us on our toes.

I just watched that new "Civil war" (movie), and honestly, as horrible as it was, it was something everyone is secretly just waiting. Hopefully it won't come to that. But if it comes, i would find it kind of liberating that rogue wanna be dictators like trump might split the country instead of ruling it.

Next to watch is "The Apprentice" biopic, that trump team tries to block. Freedom of speech doesn't mean anything to them.

Of course, at a certain point Trump may be able to do nearly anything. He is already filtering a number of Civil Servants that will be removed (e.g. someone who posted a pro-democrat stuff in their Facebook) to be replaced to pre-selected people who will not oppose to even his wildest dreams.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/20/trump-civil-service-00132459

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These days, though, Stier is increasingly preoccupied with what he sees as a fundamental threat to that work: former President Donald Trump’s sweeping proposal to convert thousands of career civil servants into political appointees if he wins a second term in the White House. That plan — which has won the support of powerful, Trump-aligned conservative think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation and the America First Policy Institute — is modeled on an executive order from Trump’s first term that redesignated 20,000 civil servants in policy-related positions as “Schedule F” employees, thereby allowing them to be fired unilaterally by the president.

There is a good reason why the Civil Service is not dependent of the flavour of the moment in most countries in the world. You need a state to have a state.

The trials are the occasion to at least show him for what he is.

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June 02, 2024, 06:04:42 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-conviction-countries-banned-canada-uk-b2555313.html
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Donald Trump’s felony conviction now means he’s banned from a host of countries including Canada and UK

There are 37 countries that bar felons from entering, even to visit.


So, how does this work for international relations then? Trump is still a felon even if he wins the elections or tries some "me pardons me" manoeuvre of shorts? In theory, many say that he cannot pardon himself for state crimes, such as the one in NY for campaign fraud. This is going to be an interesting situation - many countries will simply say no to him entering.

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Donald J. Trump is now a felon in New York State, and presidential pardon power does not extend to state cases
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I'll play devil's advocate here. While Trump can't pardon himself from this, supreme court could complicate things and just end democracy in US as we know it. And those muppets in US have some weird enough ideas to keep rest of us on our toes.

I just watched that new "Civil war" (movie), and honestly, as horrible as it was, it was something everyone is secretly just waiting. Hopefully it won't come to that. But if it comes, i would find it kind of liberating that rogue wanna be dictators like trump might split the country instead of ruling it.

Next to watch is "The Apprentice" biopic, that trump team tries to block. Freedom of speech doesn't mean anything to them.
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June 02, 2024, 05:33:03 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-conviction-countries-banned-canada-uk-b2555313.html
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Donald Trump’s felony conviction now means he’s banned from a host of countries including Canada and UK

There are 37 countries that bar felons from entering, even to visit.


So, how does this work for international relations then? Trump is still a felon even if he wins the elections or tries some "me pardons me" manoeuvre of shorts? In theory, many say that he cannot pardon himself for state crimes, such as the one in NY for campaign fraud. This is going to be an interesting situation - many countries will simply say no to him entering.

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Donald J. Trump is now a felon in New York State, and presidential pardon power does not extend to state cases

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Full list of countries that restrict visits from felons
Argentina
Australia
Brazil
Cambodia
Canada
Chile
China
Cuba
Dominican Republic
Egypt
Ethiopia
Hong Kong
India
Indonesia
Iran
Ireland
Israel
Japan
Kenya
Malaysia
Macau
Mexico
Morocco
Nepal
New Zealand
Peru
Philippines
Singapore
South Africa
South Korea
Taiwan
Tanzania
Tunisia
Turkey
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom

But not Ruzzia, that is good news for Putin, as he can go there to get his cheques.
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June 01, 2024, 12:09:04 AM
I'm glad the truth prevailed here and justice was served; everyone knew he was guilty. What a great day for all America!

It should give others hope that we can similarly remove corruption in bitcoin and increase the value.
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When Trump was found guilty, so many donations came in for him, that the website couldn't handle it and crashed.


Trump Fundraising Site CRASHES, Guilty Verdict BACKFIRES With Record Donations Pouring In - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hZ8oJthkdw.


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Anytime Trump loses you convince yourself he won.
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When Trump was found guilty, so many donations came in for him, that the website couldn't handle it and crashed.


Trump Fundraising Site CRASHES, Guilty Verdict BACKFIRES With Record Donations Pouring In - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hZ8oJthkdw.


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I am sure that the European Union is involved in all these lawsuits. Someone clearly doesn’t want Trump to win the election. It is much easier to install another puppet as president. Biden can no longer put together a few words, but the Senate apparently believes that he is completely adequate.

The senate is shit-scared of Trump. Any republican who dissents is bullied into leaving politics. But they are not judged, Trump has been and now he is a felon. I would like to see the representatives voting for a convicted felon who they know is going to pardon himself (or try). They will have the historic honour of rising a criminal to the presidency of the US (if it the people do not stop it first).

This are the people who find him "adequate" (plus all the ones that are not public starting with Putin, who obviously has much to gain). No wonder, they are mostly gangsters.

Mafia heirs....
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delson and her late husband, Las Vegas Sands founder Sheldon Adelson, were Trump's biggest donors in 2020 — contributing $90 million to Preserve America.

The same people Trump claims to fight:
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Blackstone CEO Steve Schwarzman told Axios last week that he would support and donate to Trump after previously calling for "a new generation of leaders."

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Elon Musk, who met with Trump at Peltz's home, now speaks to the former president multiple times per month and is organizing dinner parties to whip elite opposition against Biden.

The ones that make the wars of the world happen:
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Trump teams up with Big Oil in push to dismantle Biden's green agenda

The "people in the street" and the "people in need of jobs"  
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The bulk of Griffin's fortune is derived from the money he's made managing Citadel Advisors, the hedge fund firm he founded in 1990.

Of course all these people want to weaken the state. What do you think they are going to do if Trump opens the gates for the vultures?



 
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I am sure that the European Union is involved in all these lawsuits. Someone clearly doesn’t want Trump to win the election. It is much easier to install another puppet as president. Biden can no longer put together a few words, but the Senate apparently believes that he is completely adequate.
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The brainwashing is real. Imagine trying to blame J6 on Trump when he told people not to do it, requested additional security, and begged people to be peaceful.

The brainwashing is real.

J6 happened because people believed a bunch of lies about the election being stolen.

Trumps lies.

Imagine believing that because he said "peacefully and patriotically" in a speech before going on to tell them to "fight like hell or you're not going to have a country any more" absolves him of blame.

Meanwhile Pelosi denied the security request

The brainwashing is real.

The National Guard doesn't report to Nancy Pelosi.  On a federal level they report to a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.  Guess who that guy reports to?  

What a stupid conspiracy theory.

Twitter censored his pleas to the people at the government’s request.  Capitol employees killed someone as a result.

The brainwashing is real.

None of his tweets were removed until long after the Trump supporter trying to climb through a broken window next to a barricaded door to the speakers lobby was shot.




Imagine how brainwashed you’d have to be to blame Trump. People in this country aren’t well and I don’t know why they push false narratives to punish innocent people. It’s despicable. Thank god for what’s coming. Get your Kleenex ready for November.

You're post is just one lie after another, and they're all so easy to disprove.  Literally no reasonable non-brainwashed person could believe any of your claims after spending 10 minutes doing their own research

The brainwashing is real.

Think of how many lives have been destroyed by people that were drinking that convicted felons Koolaid. 
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A sad day for America. Everyone knows the trial is nonsense. I have to wonder about our society where people in respectable roles are abusing their positions as much as possible to support their political beliefs. I hope this is as bad as it gets and the pendulum swings the other way now. The road ahead is tough though. The oil reserves, the debt refinancing at insane rates, the illegals, the homeless, the drugs, the wars… This can’t just be incompetence.

I agree... in the sense that Trump has used his position as much as possible to support his political beliefs (if any, this guy changes with the wind). He has appointed judges that are not aligned with the vast majority of the country, he has used his position to harras by air land an sea judges an jurors .. .and their families...

But hey, there is good news for you, there is still a Trump trial pending that will consider how he used his position to arrange an assault on the Capitol that caused several deaths. Will we ever see that trial, or will the judges at the Supreme use their positions to support their political beliefs and prevent it from happening?

You only needed to convince 1 in 12 -  Trump could not even get that.

The brainwashing is real. Imagine trying to blame J6 on Trump when he told people not to do it, requested additional security, and begged people to be peaceful. Meanwhile Pelosi denied the security request, Twitter censored his pleas to the people at the government’s request, and Capitol employees killed someone as a result. Imagine how brainwashed you’d have to be to blame Trump. People in this country aren’t well and I don’t know why they push false narratives to punish innocent people. It’s despicable. Thank god for what’s coming. Get your Kleenex ready for November.

You are such a hypocrite. There is a mountain of evidence on Trump not caring for the safety of the Capitol, of video recorded inflammatory speeches and practically not doing anything to help the democratic process of power transfer. The problem with your lies is that they clash so hard with all the evidence as they did in the trial in which Trump has been convicted of 34 charges with overwhelming documentary evidence.

In the whole speech, there is one single time in which he says "peacefully", while all the rest of the speech is the purely inflammatory. He wants now to make the whole case about a line in a thousand of a call to attack the congress.

 And if there is ever a trial on the Capitol riots, this is going to be there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Qe4h7KQ7c
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

A call to "pacifically march" but also "to fight like hell or you will have no country"... very fringe, very improper of a President to call people to go to the Capitol.

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"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," [...]

 "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Yes "peacefully", but only once, just in case anyone in the mob thinks he really wants a peaceful demonstration, after telling a thousands people mob of radical supporters from Proud Boys to Oathkeepers- that does not need that much to get angry - that they are being robbed, that they have to march in to the Capitol and that they have to "fight for their country".

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Media will not show the magnitude of this crowd. Even I, when I turned on today, I looked, and I saw thousands of people here. But you don't see hundreds of thousands of people behind you because they don't want to show that.

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We took them by surprise and this year they rigged an election. They rigged it like they've never rigged an election before
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All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they're doing. And stolen by the fake news media. That's what they've done and what they're doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn't happen. You don't concede when there's theft involved
[...]
 We will stop the steal.
[...]
We will not let them silence your voices. We're not going to let it happen, I'm not going to let it happen.

(Audience chants: "Fight for Trump.").

[...]

Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down.
[...]
Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.
[...]
You will have an illegitimate president. That's what you'll have. And we can't let that happen.
[... this is followed by claim after claim of fraud in several states, including the "dominion machines" conspiracy theory...]
We won in a landslide. This was a landslide. They said it's not American to challenge the election. This the most corrupt election in the history, maybe of the world.

So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give.

The Democrats are hopeless — they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we're going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help. We're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

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A man of peace my ass.

Trump knew perfectly well what was going to happen and did nothing for hours. You cannot inflame a "thousands of people" mob that they have to fight, take no precaution to protect the elected representatives of the people and claim that "you are a man of peace". This person is unfit for being President... or nearly anything else.

How long 'til Trump decided to do anything at all, as the President of the US he was up to that moment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

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Here’s what President Trump did during the 187 minutes between the end of his speech and when he finally told rioters to go home: For hours, he watched the attack from his TV screen. His channel of choice was Fox News. He issued a few tweets, some on his own inclination and some only at the repeated behest of his daughter and other trusted advisors. He made several phone calls, some to his personal lawyer Rudolph Giuliani, some to Members of Congress about continuing their objections to the electoral certification, even though the attack was well underway. Here’s what President Trump did not do: He did not call any relevant law enforcement agency to ensure they were working to quell the violence. He did not call the Secretary of Defense; he did not call the Attorney General; he did not call the Secretary of Homeland Security. And for hours on end, he refused the repeated requests—from nearly everyone who talked to him—to simply tell the mob to go home.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

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Trump resisted sending the National Guard to quell the mob.[68] Later that afternoon, in a Twitter video, he reasserted the inaccurate claim that the election was "fraudulent", and told his supporters to "go home in peace".

Tell me, why did it take hours to tell people to go in peace while they were killing and injuring the guards in the capitol?

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Many people were injured, including 174 police officers. Four officers who responded to the attack died by suicide within seven months.

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Trump resisted sending the National Guard to quell the mob.[68] Later that afternoon, in a Twitter video, he reasserted the inaccurate claim that the election was "fraudulent", and told his supporters to "go home in peace"

So, in your enlightened and "brainwash resistant" opinion, why Trump watched the riots instead of trying to keep people safe? Why did he wait for hours while people got injured, threatened, killed.... Comme on, go for it, rewrite documented history like he tried to rewrite the accounting records...










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A sad day for America. Everyone knows the trial is nonsense. I have to wonder about our society where people in respectable roles are abusing their positions as much as possible to support their political beliefs. I hope this is as bad as it gets and the pendulum swings the other way now. The road ahead is tough though. The oil reserves, the debt refinancing at insane rates, the illegals, the homeless, the drugs, the wars… This can’t just be incompetence.

I agree... in the sense that Trump has used his position as much as possible to support his political beliefs (if any, this guy changes with the wind). He has appointed judges that are not aligned with the vast majority of the country, he has used his position to harras by air land an sea judges an jurors .. .and their families...

But hey, there is good news for you, there is still a Trump trial pending that will consider how he used his position to arrange an assault on the Capitol that caused several deaths. Will we ever see that trial, or will the judges at the Supreme use their positions to support their political beliefs and prevent it from happening?

You only needed to convince 1 in 12 -  Trump could not even get that.

The brainwashing is real. Imagine trying to blame J6 on Trump when he told people not to do it, requested additional security, and begged people to be peaceful. Meanwhile Pelosi denied the security request, Twitter censored his pleas to the people at the government’s request, and Capitol employees killed someone as a result. Imagine how brainwashed you’d have to be to blame Trump. People in this country aren’t well and I don’t know why they push false narratives to punish innocent people. It’s despicable. Thank god for what’s coming. Get your Kleenex ready for November.
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A sad day for America. Everyone knows the trial is nonsense. I have to wonder about our society where people in respectable roles are abusing their positions as much as possible to support their political beliefs. I hope this is as bad as it gets and the pendulum swings the other way now. The road ahead is tough though. The oil reserves, the debt refinancing at insane rates, the illegals, the homeless, the drugs, the wars… This can’t just be incompetence.

I agree... in the sense that Trump has used his position as much as possible to support his political beliefs (if any, this guy changes with the wind). He has appointed judges that are not aligned with the vast majority of the country, he has used his position to harras by air land an sea judges an jurors .. .and their families...

But hey, there is good news for you, there is still a Trump trial pending that will consider how he used his position to arrange an assault on the Capitol that caused several deaths. Will we ever see that trial, or will the judges at the Supreme use their positions to support their political beliefs and prevent it from happening?

You only needed to convince 1 in 12 -  Trump could not even get that.
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A sad day for America. Everyone knows the trial is nonsense. I have to wonder about our society where people in respectable roles are abusing their positions as much as possible to support their political beliefs. I hope this is as bad as it gets and the pendulum swings the other way now. The road ahead is tough though. The oil reserves, the debt refinancing at insane rates, the illegals, the homeless, the drugs, the wars… This can’t just be incompetence.
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I kept raising the volume as the verdicts were being read.   Eventually the neighbours called in a noise complaint, from a mile away....

Long list.  I wonder what decides concurrent vs consecutive.

I would have chosen to say guilty 33 times and acquit the last one. You know... for the laughs. Grin

I think he is not touching jail on this one, but it may be the first of a few.

A shame this is only going to help the guy raise more money and play the victim all over. It is a situation in which he is going to be Xtweeting all over and filling the "Truth"-social with "deepshhhtate" accusations and all that.

But today, I am going to take this for what it is. Trump got trumped. Who trumped the trump, the trump trumpers AKA the jury.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/30/gop-trump-verdict-2024-elections-00160830

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Hill GOP blasts ‘travesty’ Trump verdict — and vows it will motivate party base in November

My hope is that part of the "base" will consider carefully before voting a convicted felon. Who know, there may be some people out there in wild who still think is not ok to vote a criminal for power.
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I kept raising the volume as the verdicts were being read.   Eventually the neighbours called in a noise complaint, from a mile away....

Long list.  I wonder what decides concurrent vs consecutive.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWOxTTM2iMs

Trump saying that his trial is "Rigged" and "unfair", but before knowing the outcome. If he is acquitted is it still rigged?


Even IF Trump did something wrong like you suggest, it almost is nothing

He broke the law to help himself become president during a campaign that one of his main promises was to prosecute and lock up his political opponent.  There's literally no evidence that Biden is directly involved in any of Trumps indictments while Trump openly pushed for Hillary to be charged, and when the DOJ eventually convinced him that they didn't have a strong enough case he ordered them to indict someone.  So they did.  And the jury acquitted him in like an hour.

Quit being such a crybaby.  If you don't want the DOJ to be weaponized, don't vote for Trump.  



Looks like the case will go to the jury in a matter of hours...



We will never get away from people and presidents doing illegal or unconscionable things. If Trump did anything wrong or illegal or unconscionable, it was like a picnic at the beach compared with the wrongdoing of Biden. And Trump did many good things while in office.

Get Trump elected to stop the bad and to expand the good.

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Same old same old... 1) A illogic argument. Let me prove it: "We will never get rid of gangsters killing people, let's not jail them".

And now spread the shit so that everything looks shit - "Biden has done worse" - To what the obvious answer is ...take Biden to court and prove it.

You are missing here the "he is a victim", but I feel it coming.
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Even IF Trump did something wrong like you suggest, it almost is nothing

He broke the law to help himself become president during a campaign that one of his main promises was to prosecute and lock up his political opponent.  There's literally no evidence that Biden is directly involved in any of Trumps indictments while Trump openly pushed for Hillary to be charged, and when the DOJ eventually convinced him that they didn't have a strong enough case he ordered them to indict someone.  So they did.  And the jury acquitted him in like an hour.

Quit being such a crybaby.  If you don't want the DOJ to be weaponized, don't vote for Trump.  



Looks like the case will go to the jury in a matter of hours...



We will never get away from people and presidents doing illegal or unconscionable things. If Trump did anything wrong or illegal or unconscionable, it was like a picnic at the beach compared with the wrongdoing of Biden. And Trump did many good things while in office.

Get Trump elected to stop the bad and to expand the good.

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Even IF Trump did something wrong like you suggest, it almost is nothing

He broke the law to help himself become president during a campaign that one of his main promises was to prosecute and lock up his political opponent.  There's literally no evidence that Biden is directly involved in any of Trumps indictments while Trump openly pushed for Hillary to be charged, and when the DOJ eventually convinced him that they didn't have a strong enough case he ordered them to indict someone.  So they did.  And the jury acquitted him in like an hour.

Quit being such a crybaby.  If you don't want the DOJ to be weaponized, don't vote for Trump.  



Looks like the case will go to the jury in a matter of hours...

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^^^ Never in the history of the US has a former president been persecuted to keep him out of office like Trump has. Even IF Trump did something wrong like you suggest, it almost is nothing when compared with what the current regime is doing to him. Your support is entirely misplaced.

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And here we can see a practical example:

- They are prosecuting Trump to keep him out of office (he is the victim of a conspiracy).
- If he did something, it is less than what others did (even if he is a felon, it does not matter, he is still a victim).
- "Your support" - meaning everything is political, it is not a simple case of Trump breaking the law.

However I still recall this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Q71k6fmts

https://youtu.be/rJck0ZfmAXc?t=7

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/09/politics/eric-holder-nixon-trump-presidential-debate/index.html

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Trump threatens to jail Clinton if he wins election

He is no victim, he is a bully.
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