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Breasal

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Let's do a vote and see where we stand in regard to the Azure issue, shall we?

I created the poll: " do you want qora to join microsoft azure baas?"

Gotta love this feature on Qora (even though the rich speak louder than the poor)

Let's see what the community decides.

http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blockexplorer.html?poll=%20do%20you%20want%20qora%20to%20join%20microsoft%20azure%20baas%3F

bitme

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Are private keys (seeds) that were created using first version of qora from 2014 still valid? I wonder if it's worth looking for it.

loopt

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Hi !

I'm new to qora.
I downloaded the windows client today and launched it however I cant seem to fully synchronize it.
It seems to hang half way through each time I try to launch it.
First time it stopped at 49% now it just stopped at 23 % with no further movement.

What can I do ?

On another subject, I am a web developper with decent experience in Java javascript and various related techs.
Is there something the qora project needs help with that I could participate in ?

Cheers

GoldenKnight369

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Quote from: Skerberus on April 01, 2016, 01:27:19 AM

The http://qora.co.in:9090/webwallet website and the http://qora.co.in:9090/registername website were created by me.
My current standpoint regarding azure is also against it (which of course can change), but of course I will respect community decision.

Sorry! I forgot you were the one doing the Qora web wallet. My apology! Tongue

Great work with the web wallet, by the way.

Skerberus, I've been talking to some of the Qora members in private, and I think we're kind of split on this. Some people really want Microsoft Azure BaaS. After hearing two sides' opinions, I am kind of undecided at this point. I feel both sides have their merits.

Also, ask yourself this question: If it's so bad, why would coins like Athereum, Rapple, Factom.. etc signed up for it??? Weren't they be worried about giving their proprietary software away to Microsoft? Roll Eyes

Do you see what I'm getting at? Obviously they aren't overtly concerned, so maybe the advantages outweighs the disadvantages.

I feel we need to let the qora community vote on it because it affects the investors' interest. Would you do the honor and create a poll on the Qora client?

Let's vote on it and see where we stand! Grin

wosch76

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Quote from: MaGNeT on April 01, 2016, 02:32:22 AM

Impressive!

Qora just moved up to the 3rd coin in trading volume on PoloniEx

And what I didn't realize until today: all previous Qora topics together, we already have 695 pages!

yes, that's awesome.

I hope CMC will update the link to the actual thread, so newbies didn't get confused.
I just asked them to do so.

MaGNeT

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Waves | 3PHMaGNeTJfqFfD4xuctgKdoxLX188QM8na

Impressive!

Qora just moved up to the 3rd coin in trading volume on PoloniEx

And what I didn't realize until today: all previous Qora topics together, we already have 695 pages!

Skerberus

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Quote from: eli_lyd1 on March 31, 2016, 11:43:44 PM

But I don't know how to contact you, I am in slack, my name is soliury

I don't see you in slack too often. What channel are you usually in? Are you in marketing channel as well (it's locked & protected).

BTW, are you working on the new user interface for Qora main wallet as well? http://qora.co.in:9090/webwallet <--- Is this your work?

If not, could you help out? I love the icons you designed.. they are very sleek. Wink

The http://qora.co.in:9090/webwallet website and the http://qora.co.in:9090/registername website were created by me.
My current standpoint regarding azure is also against it (which of course can change), but of course I will respect community decision.

jwinterm

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Quote from: sparta_cuss on April 01, 2016, 12:05:05 AM

Quote from: jwinterm on March 31, 2016, 11:48:19 PM

Quote from: sparta_cuss on March 31, 2016, 11:40:35 PM

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It might take a lawyer of someone experienced in intellectual property rights to say for sure. But here is what I suspect: Qora devs...

I admit that I am not an expert in these matters. I am simply trying to contribute a healthy dose of suspicion to this opportunity.

I appreciate healthy doses of skepticism, but don't you think if this were the case that out of ETH, XMR, and the myriad of other coins signed up for blockchain-as-a-service one of them might have had a lawyer take a look at what they signed up for? Here is fluffypony's description of what is required to get on azure:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkFlarb/comments/4bs33o/monero_added_to_microsoft_azure_blockchain_as_a/d1c92rk

(That Reddit link did not work for me.)

Yes, they likely did. Athereum certainly has the money. So I can't say why they would sign something that, on the face of it, appears to forfeit their rights to use (in their own way) the very thing they are creating. So maybe someone with legal experience should be consulted, and I can stop making guesses.

Edit: I tried to correct the spelling of "Athereum" three times, and it keeps putting the "A" back in.

I think it's an april fool's thing, both athereum and reddit link not working (because monero in the link is replaced with 'darkflarb').

sparta_cuss

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Quote from: jwinterm on March 31, 2016, 11:48:19 PM

Quote from: sparta_cuss on March 31, 2016, 11:40:35 PM

...

It might take a lawyer of someone experienced in intellectual property rights to say for sure. But here is what I suspect: Qora devs...

I admit that I am not an expert in these matters. I am simply trying to contribute a healthy dose of suspicion to this opportunity.

I appreciate healthy doses of skepticism, but don't you think if this were the case that out of ETH, XMR, and the myriad of other coins signed up for blockchain-as-a-service one of them might have had a lawyer take a look at what they signed up for? Here is fluffypony's description of what is required to get on azure:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkFlarb/comments/4bs33o/monero_added_to_microsoft_azure_blockchain_as_a/d1c92rk

(That Reddit link did not work for me.)

Yes, they likely did. Athereum certainly has the money. So I can't say why they would sign something that, on the face of it, appears to forfeit their rights to use (in their own way) the very thing they are creating. So maybe someone with legal experience should be consulted, and I can stop making guesses.

Edit: I tried to correct the spelling of "Ethereum" three times, and it keeps putting the "A" back in.

CIYAM

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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer

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I have a question regarding the Clone you were proposing (based on the new CIYAM blockchain)...

You mentioned that it won't be a coin, but it will involve Qora holders. Could you elaborate on how it will work?

The CIYAM blockchain itself is not a coin at all, however, this potential clone may end up being one (in which case it will need to have its own separate "brand").

The key difference in approach with the CIYAM blockchain is that POW is used for account creation and verification (this also prevents Sybil attacks).

CIYAM

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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer

Quote from: eli_lyd1 on March 31, 2016, 11:43:44 PM

But I don't know how to contact you, I am in slack, my name is soliury

Please contact @vbcs to work out where we can meet (most likely either at CIYAM's slack or via group Skype IM).

jwinterm

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Quote from: sparta_cuss on March 31, 2016, 11:40:35 PM

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It might take a lawyer of someone experienced in intellectual property rights to say for sure. But here is what I suspect: Qora devs sign the Azure contract. After several months of development under the Azure veil, MS can claim that the "new" Qora is significantly different from the "old" Qora, which was MIT licensed. And as such, they now have legal dominion over the "new" Qora.

If a company takes something that exists in the wild, like a fork, say, something very common, and enhances it with some new design that significantly improves on the old design, then they can apply for protection (a copyright or patent) for their enhancements to the original, public design.

I admit that I am not an expert in these matters. I am simply trying to contribute a healthy dose of suspicion to this opportunity.

I appreciate healthy doses of skepticism, but don't you think if this were the case that out of ETH, XMR, and the myriad of other coins signed up for blockchain-as-a-service one of them might have had a lawyer take a look at what they signed up for? Here is fluffypony's description of what is required to get on azure:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4bs33o/monero_added_to_microsoft_azure_blockchain_as_a/d1c92rk

eli_lyd1

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Quote from: CIYAM on March 31, 2016, 11:41:19 PM

Quote from: eli_lyd1 on March 31, 2016, 11:37:28 PM

And maybe I can help you to build the qora clone. I have talked about with vbcs, I will add at qora-btc to qora-wallet soon.

That would be most helpful as UI is one major area that CIYAM Developers don't currently have covered.

But I don't know how to contact you, I am in slack, my name is soliury

CIYAM

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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer

Quote from: eli_lyd1 on March 31, 2016, 11:37:28 PM

And maybe I can help you to build the qora clone. I have talked about with vbcs, I will add at qora-btc to qora-wallet soon.

That would be most helpful as UI is one major area that CIYAM Developers don't currently have covered.

sparta_cuss

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Quote from: jwinterm on March 31, 2016, 11:32:28 PM

How can you give up rights on an MIT licensed piece of software?

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Permission is hereby granted, ...

If you created a fork and changed the license, then maybe, but what part of "without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software" would allow MS to direct the development of Qora or control the blockchain?

Even if they/you changed the license, people would still be free to run the versions which are MIT licensed.

It might take a lawyer of someone experienced in intellectual property rights to say for sure. But here is what I suspect: Qora devs sign the Azure contract. After several months of development under the Azure veil, MS can claim that the "new" Qora is significantly different from the "old" Qora, which was MIT licensed. And as such, they now have legal dominion over the "new" Qora.

If a company takes something that exists in the wild, something very common, and enhances it with some new design that significantly improves on the old design, then they can apply for protection (a copyright or patent) for their enhancements to the original, public design.

I admit that I am not an expert in these matters. I am simply trying to contribute a healthy dose of suspicion to this opportunity.

eli_lyd1

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Quote from: CIYAM on March 31, 2016, 11:18:49 PM

Giving up rights to the software is a very bad idea and it would likely mean that the plans for the CIYAM Developers to create a clone of Qora would have to be scrapped.

That being said it is up to the Qora community and developers to decide their future direction (so for now I will simply watch and see what unfolds).

Note that if the CIYAM Developers do end up creating a clone we would very much desire the assistance of the existing Qora developers and community (if there is no such support then it would be less likely to be worth the effort).

And Maybe I can help you to build the qora clone. I have talked about with vbcs, I will add at qora-btc to qora-wallet soon.

jwinterm

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How can you give up rights on an MIT licensed piece of software?

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Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.

If you created a fork and changed the license, then maybe, but what part of "without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software" would allow MS to direct the development of Qora or control the blockchain?

Even if they/you changed the license, people would still be free to run the versions which are MIT licensed.

eli_lyd1

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Quote from: CIYAM on March 31, 2016, 11:18:49 PM

Giving up rights to the software is a very bad idea and it would likely mean that the plans for the CIYAM Developers to create a clone of Qora would have to be scrapped.

That being said it is up to the Qora community and developers to decide their future direction (so for now I will simply watch and see what unfolds).

Note that if the CIYAM Developers do end up creating a clone we would very much desire the assistance of the existing Qora developers and community (if there is no such support then it would be less likely to be worth the effort).

Don't worry, I don't support to join ms. I am the author of https://github.com/soliury/qora-wallet

sparta_cuss

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My preference, in case it isn't obvious from my posts, is to resist any attempt at restricting the autonomy of the developers and users. Never surrender your rights to innovate and build something.
Microsoft was lord over the old world. But we are trying to build a new world, without the need of a corporate overlord.

CIYAM

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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer

Giving up rights to the software is a very bad idea and it would likely mean that the plans for the CIYAM Developers to create a clone of Qora would have to be scrapped.

That being said it is up to the Qora community and developers to decide their future direction (so for now I will simply watch and see what unfolds).

Note that if the CIYAM Developers do end up creating a clone we would very much desire the assistance of the existing Qora developers and community (if there is no such support then it would be less likely to be worth the effort).

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