Topic: QUICKSELLER Vs. LEGENDSTER, LIVE NOW on Pay Per View, ROUND 1 - page 3. (Read 10417 times)

Trust should be measured by those affected directly by others.

Direct democracy requires that those who hold a stake in what is being decided should have vote. It would have to affect them directly or infringe on their ability to transact business.

Unfortunately a DEFAULT is not democratic. Nor is 1 vote for each alt account. What is worse are default's that are alts and 'hand picked' by the powers that be, which is what we have now.

The ones in power are in power because others that are in power gave them that power, besides anyone can give you red or green trust, its not like quickseller is the only one that gives trust, if you were so trusted you wouldnt care about quickseller trust because you would have too much green trust but you dont and everyone knows why, now stop whining and making a fool of yourself

 trust should be measured by many not by the ones in power

Definitely and this is more than a default trust issue. Now it is a spam issue. I get posting information for the community to be more aware but when you are unwilling and unable to determine scams / extortion from honest people trying to do honest business you become a nuisance to the community. Strange nothing is done about this particular anonymous individual with only a year on the forum gets so much 'support'. I wonder who he really is, typically most people that act in this manner are usually called out and or reprimanded by the forum mods. Why doesn't his shit stink like Techshare's or Mine or others... funny.

You can block PMs here if he keeps it up.


A 5000 post shill account, that'd be impressive.


Oh really, remember when you worked with a guy with 10 circular anonymous accounts in order to prop up your agenda and attack targets you didn't like? I've cut down the quote because its huge post, but you can read more about the trust ratings they left for each other and their victims here. There are a few more accounts that were discovered before the post so the circle jerk is actually larger.

I dont give a shit who he is, i couldnt care less, this is a forum there is no need for us to know who he is, what i care about is his accusations and evidence, you obviously got your red trust for a reason, its not only quickseller that left you negative trust, you are throwing accusations against quickseller with no evidence to back it up and you complain about him for supposedly doing the same, do you see the irony there?

You wrote a whole lot of useless trash there again throwing accusations and saying things with absolutly no evidence.

He did the same thing when he was on the warpath against me.  Brought up unsubstantiated (and false) allegations, then tried to change the subject when his own motivation was called into question.  The good thing is that his M.O. is well known by almost everyone at this point, and he won't be back on default trust until he learns to calm himself.  He's a lot like an ambitious, amateur cop who wants to make it to the top by arresting everyone in site.  He doesn't have any sympathy for anyone other than himself.  So while it's true that he catches a scammer in action from time to time, he also steamrollls a huge number of innocent people with no remorse.  If he ever realizes this, he could do the forum a lot of good.  Until he realizes this, he causes more harm than good.

Already done that weeks ago and I keep adding his agents/shills/alts as I go. XinXin seems like another ignored. Another one that can't think for himself or read the threads to a depth or read a false negs. I have held 80K for people and not one penny went missing. You want to address TRUST then know my record vs. his puffery over the last year. He hasn't ever done more than a few hundred bucks as an escrow. Can't trust him as far as you can throw em. Anonymous people should NEVER be trusted.

Problem becomes he has a myriad of alt accounts and is probably built relationships with other accounts here to maintain an image all behind a pseudonym propping up a small group of people to push trust ratings that are mostly fabricated or built on circular anonymous accounts that have never really transferred bitcoins to any real people. Why would he have so many issues with scammers? I have been here since 2013 and I have never run into scammers on his scale when doing business here. It is like he is honey trapping or ENTRAPPING people and that is a big reason for him not to be trusted in ANYTHING he says or does. He is not part of a LEO so he should be forthright about his identity and since he is not he should be given a wide berth.

Does anyone really know who this person is? Could be a Moderator or an Admin, could be a long time scammer for anyone knows given he has 'been' this an account for 1 year max. Please why do people even bother trusting this moron who can't tell the difference between extortion and a laundry list of proof of VAT and Mail fraud of someone like Dogie? If anything he is the one extorting people and misusing his unearned reputation libeling people left right and center. The amount of spam generated as a result of his false claims this past week would fill most forums and yet no bans? Why? You would think that a warning at least would be sent out that would reprimand him for FALSE accusations? That is the real problem I see is mods turning a blind eye to that form of spam. At what point does he have to go before he gets punished for lies and false accusations?

I dont care to be honest how many negs are here, I have shit tons of trades with my other accounts, no big deal, no harm done to me.  Im just saying that being on default or having one it is used for abuse of power on others.  Im really surprised this forum became big, and was the only reason it did because it was an early adopter forum.  This trust system would have been the death of it, if it wasnt for Satoshi himself.

And now when he knows he is wrong he will also divert the topic and wont reply you straight. He just wants everyone to accept what he says as "truth".
He is just a troll and needs to be ignored.

So what does that quote have to do with anything??  You say he doesnt admit his errors, would you mind quoting or linking an example of that? You were called extortionist by him but you also have a lot more negative trust ratings from other important people once again proving that everyone that is against quickseller is a moron and deservers all his ratings.

Problem is people lie.

Quickseller is a liar and that is the main issue here.

When he is wrong he won't admit his error and keeps attacking (lying) to maintain the image he is somehow above being wrong.

I get called an extortionist and that is pure bullshit. I have a better escrow record than he does. I have never extorted anything from anyone and people think that an anonymous agent in these forums like he is should be trusted?

Come on now when is it really ever okay to hide your identity and try to bust scams in public forums? He isn't some undercover FBI agent he is just someone hiding behind an alt account of known person in these forums most likely.  Never trust people hiding their identities. Never for escrow. Never for account selling. Never for anything. Who the fook knows who he really is right?

You can think what you want about the reasons why I like to catch scammers.

The assumptions that I make regarding determining if someone is a scammer or not are sound. The evidence against you is solid and you are clearly the same person as puzzel.me. If I open a scam accusation, other people will not leave negative trust unless they can come to the same conclusion that I came to after looking at the evidence. In your case, I just so happened to gather enough evidence to make it 100% undeniable that you are puzzel.me

I think you are learning your lessons as to how to avoid detection of your alts. There are a number of things that you are clearly doing to cover your tracks. I am not going to further explain to you how I know that you are puzzel.me (you are the actual person who attempted to blackmail someone and failed). You know that you are the same person as well.

Please stop sending me PM's from multiple accounts.

This is what I hate about this forum, except trades being value over opinionated feedback,  Trade Feedback and opinionated feedback should be separated in value.  if you didn't conduct a trade to the member then your feedback shouldn't be more valued then feedback done with monies.

But what when his accusations are not enough and aren't watertight, and still those people get negative trust(like I got) because of his kiddish behaviour? No one is even caring to listen what I've to say in my defence, and out of a few accusations he doesn't have even a single proof for couple of them, and the other proofs are misleading, but trust depth 2 members, still paint others red.

All people care about is reading the first post of the scam accusation and then patting Qs on his back without even reading what does the person accused has to say in his defence, most of these people are signature ad spammers who don't give a fuck and just post mindlessly.

Its highly saddening.

There is unfortunately no denying that. Out of all the scam accusations I have seen by Quickseller most of them were never removed if they started a thread on the forum. After a few PM's I sent , he had also stopped listening to me. IN a similar case as mine, he even removed the negative rep after that user used QS as an escrow to sell the account. While he is effective in spotting out scams, he does add a lot of wrong and inappropriate reputation . A better solution would be to have him post scam accusations in the appropriate forum and wait for enough conclusive evidence to be gathered before having a negative trust added to the account.

Nice to see him getting out of the DT2.  He makes decisions based on certain assumptions and no solid proofs and he doesn't even care to listen what the other person is saying in his defence. He is just a troll and keeps on repeating the accusations again and again. He is doing anything and everything to catch other(for what they didn't do) just for the sake of satisfying his ego and hoping that he could be the next Vod.

Sweet!  Popcorn time.  Do your thing QS, mark qcexpose as a "probably alt of scammer TC", mark tomatocage with negative trust as "probably trying to weaken the trust system by attacking the reputation of trust member me".  Let's do this.  It's jump-to-conclusions time!Except that they have standing for a reasonable person who considers motive (what was the motive here?) and they ended up being right.  Hmmm.

Enough already with the question2 bullshit. Ask any admin if that guy is me or whatever, its not.

I've addressed that enough. You think I'm a scammer but in the last 3 years I have never once done an act that is relative to scamming. You should probably remove me from that "its instantly him!" list you have me on. For your own mental sake.

Well it sounds like you were more likely to be the person behind question2.

It probably also means that TC was the one who made that qcexpose account (or something similar to that), not that it matters who it was. That was previously my theory however this somewhat strengthens that hypothesis.

It really is too bad that the rating on ndnhc was up for days and no one was able to provide any specific evidence that refuted my conclusion. The people who were defending ndnhc were simply saying that he was "too nice" or "made too much money" for him to try to extort someone, neither of those arguments would have standing to show his innocence.

Not only that but other people agreed with my conclusion. I might as well have created a newbie account to open that thread and I could have just left a negative saying that there was a scam accusation against him and that I would revisit it upon evidence of his innocence.