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Topic: QUICKSELLER Vs. LEGENDSTER, LIVE NOW on Pay Per View, ROUND 1 - page 6. (Read 10417 times)

legendary
Activity: 2632
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QS and Vod: I added you both to my Trust list because you two are very good at identifying scammers. However, to maintain your positions on my list, I ask that you remain as impartial as possible (ie. don't be a Trust Nazi) and flag only those accounts who are clearly up to no good. Vindictive ratings levied out of spite will not be tolerated, mmkay?

That being said, I know I'm guilty of doing it myself in the past, but I've done my best to go back and audit such ratings. TL;DR: Let's not be those cops that throw the book at people for going 1mph over.
Juste a little question from an outsider (I don't really use / need the trust system here): isn't putting conditions to be on your list a kind of (default) trust abuse?
Seems that "because of you" they removed some of theirs feedbacks.. so I don't know what to think now: can I trust people who removed feedbacks just because they were asked to / want to on the default trust list..?

Trust abuse isn't yet defined.

1) Is leaving a person a trusted positive feedback just because the person appears kind via their comments and behavior on the forum (without having an actual trade with the person), considered trust abuse?

2) Is leaving a person a neutral feedback just because the person has been critical of you and doesn't agree with your actions and expresses their opinion (without any evidence that the person is a scammer), considered trust abuse?

3) Is leaving a person a negative feedback because he has appeared rude to you and lied about you (or one has had a fight with someone on the forum), considered trust abuse?
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 1002
Bitcoin enthusiast!
QS and Vod: I added you both to my Trust list because you two are very good at identifying scammers. However, to maintain your positions on my list, I ask that you remain as impartial as possible (ie. don't be a Trust Nazi) and flag only those accounts who are clearly up to no good. Vindictive ratings levied out of spite will not be tolerated, mmkay?

That being said, I know I'm guilty of doing it myself in the past, but I've done my best to go back and audit such ratings. TL;DR: Let's not be those cops that throw the book at people for going 1mph over.
Juste a little question from an outsider (I don't really use / need the trust system here): isn't putting conditions to be on your list a kind of (default) trust abuse?
Seems that "because of you" they removed some of theirs feedbacks.. so I don't know what to think now: can I trust people who removed feedbacks just because they were asked to / want to on the default trust list..?
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
Disappointed by you tomatocage. Really am.

I've used your escrow service at least 10 times in the last year and this is what you do. Its a shame.

Unfortunately I am now in need of a new neutral escrow to use for my future trades here.

Also, just FYI, me being a blatant scammer is probably one of the least effective examples of what a scammer is Quickseller. A loan was agreed upon for 2 BTC, I rec'd 4 BTC, 2 BTC from two different addresses. Now yes, a heartfelt person would return the said 2 BTC extra but 1) there was no proof it came from the same guy and 2) no full agreement on 4 BTC. I took it as a gift for my help to the community. At the time I had been doing escrows for people and if you look back I had handled escrows as large as 50 BTC. If I was such a scammer why scam for 2 BTC instead of 50 when I had the chance?

I repaid the agreed upon 2.01 BTC. Contractually I did not scam. Contractually I followed all repayment requirements.


Since that 2013 fiasco, in the years 2014 and 2015 I have traded well over $50,000 worth of BTC on Localbitcoins and here. Just check my LBC, last year and this year I've traded well over $25,000 alone. I make good margins and continue to do so. I have 100% feedback on my 3 LBC accounts and have traded over 250 times with over 100 different people. Two of my accounts are Pro Traders and known very well on the forums there for being a trustworthy trader. Had someone sell me $1000 BTC outside of escrow there about a month ago. Wheres the scam report Quickseller? Marketing time: Feel free to message me if you have PPMC codes or want to sell BTC for bank deposits / moneygram / Western Union as those are what I am currently looking for. Always looking for long term sellers and always open to using escrow.

You can hate me all you want, I sure come across as an asshole no doubt there, but a scammer? Nah Im not. An asshole yes, a scammer no. I aint a scammer but keep on insisting im the poster boy of a scammer. How funny and yet I always insist on accepting escrow. It makes me laugh honestly.

Im sure tomatocage wont be able to sleep at night because of this post. Do you realize that badbear himself gave you negative trust for being a loan scammer? What does it matter that you are insisting in using escrow in this account when you scammed in your other?  

Your word means nothing, you say you traded x amounts of money and all bla bla but at the end of the day you will still have the red trust, keep whining scammer.
I have 3 other accounts. This account means nothing. If you actually read into my posts you would understand. Time to put an idiot troll on ignore since obviously he should keep his ass out of things when he realized I DONT CARE about trust on this account. This account is pointless. I'll probably make a thread giving out the password to it in the next week or so.

The point I'm trying to make is that Quickseller isn't mature or someone who can handle himself in a neutral position with default trust. He has side interests that interfere with his ability and also motivation to leave trust.

He sells accounts. He has accounts that I;m sure have been built up with trust. Him leaving negative trust also creates a demand for accounts with trust or free of red. As he "calls out" "potential" scammers those people who most likely were trustworthy now need to buy an account to get rid of the red as there is a negative connatation associated with red which almost always equals less trading occurring. He also has created threads that he insists should be stickied when ultimately it is him trying to cover up his own free marketing (see his escrow thread LOL). He is a bias person because of all this, immature as well and also very new (only a year old account). He does not deserve to be on default trust and I disappointed by Tomatocage's decision to add him back.
hero member
Activity: 1064
Merit: 505
Disappointed by you tomatocage. Really am.

I've used your escrow service at least 10 times in the last year and this is what you do. Its a shame.

Unfortunately I am now in need of a new neutral escrow to use for my future trades here.

Also, just FYI, me being a blatant scammer is probably one of the least effective examples of what a scammer is Quickseller. A loan was agreed upon for 2 BTC, I rec'd 4 BTC, 2 BTC from two different addresses. Now yes, a heartfelt person would return the said 2 BTC extra but 1) there was no proof it came from the same guy and 2) no full agreement on 4 BTC. I took it as a gift for my help to the community. At the time I had been doing escrows for people and if you look back I had handled escrows as large as 50 BTC. If I was such a scammer why scam for 2 BTC instead of 50 when I had the chance?

I repaid the agreed upon 2.01 BTC. Contractually I did not scam. Contractually I followed all repayment requirements.


Since that 2013 fiasco, in the years 2014 and 2015 I have traded well over $50,000 worth of BTC on Localbitcoins and here. Just check my LBC, last year and this year I've traded well over $25,000 alone. I make good margins and continue to do so. I have 100% feedback on my 3 LBC accounts and have traded over 250 times with over 100 different people. Two of my accounts are Pro Traders and known very well on the forums there for being a trustworthy trader. Had someone sell me $1000 BTC outside of escrow there about a month ago. Wheres the scam report Quickseller? Marketing time: Feel free to message me if you have PPMC codes or want to sell BTC for bank deposits / moneygram / Western Union as those are what I am currently looking for. Always looking for long term sellers and always open to using escrow.

You can hate me all you want, I sure come across as an asshole no doubt there, but a scammer? Nah Im not. An asshole yes, a scammer no. I aint a scammer but keep on insisting im the poster boy of a scammer. How funny and yet I always insist on accepting escrow. It makes me laugh honestly.

Im sure tomatocage wont be able to sleep at night because of this post. Do you realize that badbear himself gave you negative trust for being a loan scammer? What does it matter that you are insisting in using escrow in this account when you scammed in your other? 

Your word means nothing, you say you traded x amounts of money and all bla bla but at the end of the day you will still have the red trust, keep whining scammer.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
Disappointed by you tomatocage. Really am.

I've used your escrow service at least 10 times in the last year and this is what you do. Its a shame.

Unfortunately I am now in need of a new neutral escrow to use for my future trades here.

Also, just FYI, me being a blatant scammer is probably one of the least effective examples of what a scammer is Quickseller. A loan was agreed upon for 2 BTC, I rec'd 4 BTC, 2 BTC from two different addresses. Now yes, a heartfelt person would return the said 2 BTC extra but 1) there was no proof it came from the same guy and 2) no full agreement on 4 BTC. I took it as a gift for my help to the community. At the time I had been doing escrows for people and if you look back I had handled escrows as large as 50 BTC. If I was such a scammer why scam for 2 BTC instead of 50 when I had the chance?

I repaid the agreed upon 2.01 BTC. Contractually I did not scam. Contractually I followed all repayment requirements.


Since that 2013 fiasco, in the years 2014 and 2015 I have traded well over $50,000 worth of BTC on Localbitcoins and here. Just check my LBC, last year and this year I've traded well over $25,000 alone. I make good margins and continue to do so. I have 100% feedback on my 3 LBC accounts and have traded over 250 times with over 100 different people. Two of my accounts are Pro Traders and known very well on the forums there for being a trustworthy trader. Had someone sell me $1000 BTC outside of escrow there about a month ago. Wheres the scam report Quickseller? Marketing time: Feel free to message me if you have PPMC codes or want to sell BTC for bank deposits / moneygram / Western Union as those are what I am currently looking for. Always looking for long term sellers and always open to using escrow.

You can hate me all you want, I sure come across as an asshole no doubt there, but a scammer? Nah Im not. An asshole yes, a scammer no. And especially not the poster boy of a scammer. I aint a scammer but keep on insisting im the poster boy of a scammer. How funny and yet I always insist on accepting escrow. It makes me laugh honestly.
legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1118
The OP is KingOfSports. If he isn't a clear scammer then IDK who is.

You. You clearly are. You enable scams to take place and are proud of it. Why don't you leave me some negative trust about it? Better yet, log back in to your mod account and delete this comment.

I will hound you for the rest of your career here, make no mistake about it.

I think i missed a lot here.
I have heard that QS give wrong feed to people and all(he don't)
But what's this with him being a mod ? I can't find him with mod status Huh

Dont listen to them, they have all sort of crazy theories about quickseller, they are saying that he is badbear so i guess thats why he talks about him logging to mod account.

All the people that whine about vod or quickseller are just scammers that got busted and now they are crying, you can notice that they actually never try to refute the accusations against them but rather attack the guy who accused them.

Yes, a lot of people also think he is an alt of hilariousandco (a mod here in the forum) but I think it is only 'speculation or fud', maybe someone is only trying to destroy his reputation.

Eh, well simply based on how much he posts I think if he was going to be anyone's alt he would be hilariousandco's. I don't think he is an alt though, I mean maybe when he was selling accounts back in the day there was a good reason for it but not for all the scambusting and all that stuff.
legendary
Activity: 1778
Merit: 1043
#Free market
The OP is KingOfSports. If he isn't a clear scammer then IDK who is.

You. You clearly are. You enable scams to take place and are proud of it. Why don't you leave me some negative trust about it? Better yet, log back in to your mod account and delete this comment.

I will hound you for the rest of your career here, make no mistake about it.

I think i missed a lot here.
I have heard that QS give wrong feed to people and all(he don't)
But what's this with him being a mod ? I can't find him with mod status Huh

Dont listen to them, they have all sort of crazy theories about quickseller, they are saying that he is badbear so i guess thats why he talks about him logging to mod account.

All the people that whine about vod or quickseller are just scammers that got busted and now they are crying, you can notice that they actually never try to refute the accusations against them but rather attack the guy who accused them.

Yes, a lot of people also think he is an alt of hilariousandco (a mod here in the forum) but I think it is only 'speculation or fud', maybe someone is only trying to destroy his reputation.

He is not (obviously) an alt of BadBear, why him should have alt on bitcointalk.org ? He is an admin . However nice to see again Quickseller in the defaultTrust list, the bad thing is that now a lot of scammer will start again to open & spam thread here in the Meta section.
hero member
Activity: 1064
Merit: 505
The OP is KingOfSports. If he isn't a clear scammer then IDK who is.

You. You clearly are. You enable scams to take place and are proud of it. Why don't you leave me some negative trust about it? Better yet, log back in to your mod account and delete this comment.

I will hound you for the rest of your career here, make no mistake about it.

I think i missed a lot here.
I have heard that QS give wrong feed to people and all(he don't)
But what's this with him being a mod ? I can't find him with mod status Huh

Dont listen to them, they have all sort of crazy theories about quickseller, they are saying that he is badbear so i guess thats why he talks about him logging to mod account.

All the people that whine about vod or quickseller are just scammers that got busted and now they are crying, you can notice that they actually never try to refute the accusations against them but rather attack the guy who accused them.
Vod
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
QS and Vod: I added you both to my Trust list because you two are very good at identifying scammers. However, to maintain your positions on my list, I ask that you remain as impartial as possible (ie. don't be a Trust Nazi) and flag only those accounts who are clearly up to no good. Vindictive ratings levied out of spite will not be tolerated, mmkay?

That being said, I know I'm guilty of doing it myself in the past, but I've done my best to go back and audit such ratings. TL;DR: Let's not be those cops that throw the book at people for going 1mph over.

I've listened from when you told me this a few weeks ago.  In fact, I've removed a number of potentially negative trust ratings in the last week, in preparation for my trip.

The only scammer I am dealing with now is Armis and you can read all about that on the PICISI website. 
sr. member
Activity: 378
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I have only had one dealing with QS but in my experience he is reasonable and trustworthy.  I think that it would be more productive to communicate with him in a less belligerent manner.  you might be surprised at the results.

(goes to hide in his bunker)
copper member
Activity: 2996
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QS and Vod: I added you both to my Trust list because you two are very good at identifying scammers. However, to maintain your positions on my list, I ask that you remain as impartial as possible (ie. don't be a Trust Nazi) and flag only those accounts who are clearly up to no good. Vindictive ratings levied out of spite will not be tolerated, mmkay?

That being said, I know I'm guilty of doing it myself in the past, but I've done my best to go back and audit such ratings. TL;DR: Let's not be those cops that throw the book at people for going 1mph over.
The OP is KingOfSports. If he isn't a clear scammer then IDK who is.

There have been several instances when I have either removed or downgraded to neutral my trust ratings when additional information was available, when someone was able to complete a successful transaction, or I otherwise am made aware that I was wrong.

Either way I am always open to suggestions in regards to my sent trust ratings.
legendary
Activity: 1456
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I may write code in exchange for bitcoins.
edit2: there was at least one person who was scammed because my negative trust ratings were not seen by default in the one week that I was off default trust, and I think that fact should say something about the effectiveness of my work

Sweet!  I found the traditional quickseller masterbation post!  I love it.  I thought he had been masterbating less in public since I started the game to catch these masterbation posts.  But I guess sometimes you just feel that pressure and you gotta let it go.  For the record, a quickseller masterbation post is one where he "toots his own horn" (to use a euphemism) without providing any concrete proof or evidence.  "At least one person .. " lol.
legendary
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Nothing like DefaultTrust to turn a Bitcoin community into squabbling, teenage schoolgirls.
newbie
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QS and Vod: I added you both to my Trust list because you two are very good at identifying scammers. However, to maintain your positions on my list, I ask that you remain as impartial as possible (ie. don't be a Trust Nazi) and flag only those accounts who are clearly up to no good. Vindictive ratings levied out of spite will not be tolerated, mmkay?

That being said, I know I'm guilty of doing it myself in the past, but I've done my best to go back and audit such ratings. TL;DR: Let's not be those cops that throw the book at people for going 1mph over.
KWH
legendary
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In Collateral I Trust.
I have seen you exercise more of the Vod method of scambusting, where you attack anyone who provokes your suspicions with little or no evidence, shotgun style, and let God sort out the rest.

Badbear asked me to give you a chance, and I am.  I've removed your negative trust.

I hope you don't disappoint me.   Undecided   Good luck.


This is exactly the egotistical bullshit that I am talking about.
Who the bloody hell do you think you are that we need to not disappoint you...

And how dare we not listen to or live up to your standards, am I right?  Roll Eyes
sr. member
Activity: 305
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I have seen you exercise more of the Vod method of scambusting, where you attack anyone who provokes your suspicions with little or no evidence, shotgun style, and let God sort out the rest.

Badbear asked me to give you a chance, and I am.  I've removed your negative trust.

I hope you don't disappoint me.   Undecided   Good luck.


This is exactly the egotistical bullshit that I am talking about.
Who the bloody hell do you think you are that we need to not disappoint you...
Vod
legendary
Activity: 3668
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Licking my boob since 1970
I have seen you exercise more of the Vod method of scambusting, where you attack anyone who provokes your suspicions with little or no evidence, shotgun style, and let God sort out the rest.

Badbear asked me to give you a chance, and I am.  I've removed your negative trust.

I hope you don't disappoint me.   Undecided   Good luck.
legendary
Activity: 3318
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First Exclusion Ever
Love the hypocrisy here!   Wink


I see you you still can't restrain yourself. There is no hypocrisy, just no understanding of the rules that were unwritten and never explained to me at the time. He was impeding my ability to trade directly. He had the rest of the entire forum to accuse me of scams if he wanted to. The only reason he chose to do it in my op was to entertain himself at the expense of my sales. This is a common problem in the marketplace section, and often staff refuse to do anything about it. It is like trying to sell things on 4chan here some times. Anyways, do you have any comment on the actual topic, or are you just here to start more drama because you were asked to revise your rating left for me?
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
I did not negative rate him because "I did not like him", I negative rated him because he was calling me a scammer in my market place ops for asking the full cost of a gift card and continued lying about me and making insults in my market place op, effecting my ability to trade negatively for no other reason than his own personal entertainment.

Love the hypocrisy from this jamoke!   Wink

legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
The negative rating that you had left for armis is clearly based on a person dispute and has nothing to do with how much he should (or should not) be trusted. If I was an outsider and has no prior connection to you then there would be no reason why I should have to take additional precautions when trading with armis just because you do not like him.

The Armis rating was debated endlessly here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9495269
 so I am not going to waste time repeating myself. I did not negative rate him because "I did not like him", I negative rated him because he was calling me a scammer in my market place ops for asking the full cost of a gift card and continued lying about me and making insults in my market place op, effecting my ability to trade negatively for no other reason than his own personal entertainment.

He was trolling my op and refused to move on, and then escalated it with a series of accusations of me trying to"silence" him from speaking out about me, when he has the whole rest of the forum to do so in. If he would have posted in the appropriate section I never would have negative rated him. I made an offer to him that if he had removed his troll posts, I would have removed my rating for him, but he refused, and instead opted to continue to escalate the situation. Furthermore, no one ever explained to me that there were additional standards for default trust members. I was left to believe like everyone else in the trust system, we were free to rate people as we pleased. If some one had explained this to me I never would have left the rating, but these rules are not posted anywhere of course.

The same goes for your ratings you sent to Vod and nubbins. I think it is pretty clear that you do not like either of them (at least as of when you left the ratings). Granted they did leave you negative trust first (I think), however I think anyone who leaves retaliatory trust ratings against someone should not have their sent trust ratings trusted. You should only leave a negative rating if you strongly think they are a scammer, and leaving an inaccurate rating is not scamming (nor is "trust abuse").  

I never left a rating for Vod ... ever. Way to form opinions on something without knowing the facts. As for Nubbins he negative rated me simply because I disagreed with his WC theories, and his method of mob justice based on flimsy speculation. He also did this to several other users for the same reason. If some one is willing to abuse the trust system to try to silence myself and others from criticizing their behavior, then why shouldn't I negative rate them? It has nothing to do with retaliation and everything with drawing attention to the fact their ratings can not be trusted. Even Badbear excluded Nubbins from his trust list because of his behavior.

Regarding the rating that you left WC, I would say that it is a fair rating as you appear to have traded with him (I have no reason to believe the trade was faked, nor do I think you would do something like that). With that being said, I think you were probably defending him for longer then you probably should have. At first when WC was first accused of using a laser to make his pieces when he was claiming to hand carve them, I could understand you defending them as some of the points he was making was somewhat valid, and I could see you relating to the points he was making. However after a while, it became more apparent that he was scamming, yet you were still supporting him. Even when it got to the point where he had essentially admitted to scamming and when he admitted that he was simply trolling, you were still supporting him.


The ratings that I have left were left because I have found evidence of either a scam or of scammy behavior (i.e. an attempt to scam). Although I may not agree with some of the people who I left negative ratings for, that does not mean that the negative rating is connected to my disagreement with them.

Of course there are plenty of people who are more then willing to claim that my negative rating I left for them is because of a personal opinion, however that is just an attempt to get my rating to either be removed or to get my rating to not show up by default.  

What does my stance on the WC fiasco have to do with my clearly accurate positive rating left for him for a trade? Did I in any way abuse the trust system to try to support WC, or did I simply speak my opinion in threads, and you happen to disagree with it? Also, he never admitted to scamming anyone, lets not start with revisionism here.

You claim your left ratings are accurate and that they are all scammers, but that is not that easy to prove for certain. It is very easy to just claim anyone critical of your ratings is just another scammer, and who would believe them anyway unless they could prove their innocence. Judging people guilty until proven innocent has historically been a very destructive social policy because innocents are easily wrapped up in it.

People like Tomatocage at least have some standard of evidence that they require before marking a user negative, and he doesn't make a sport out of it, or use it as an excuse to farm trust points from rubbernecking onlookers entertained with the ensuing drama. If he is unsure, he uses neutral ratings to warn people of the possibility of a scam, he doesn't just outright accuse people on a hunch. I have seen you exercise more of the Vod method of scambusting, where you attack anyone who provokes your suspicions with little or no evidence, shotgun style, and let God sort out the rest. I think people have quite a bit of justification to call your ratings into question, and you trying to divert the topic and make this about me is not doing you a service.
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