Topic: Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 122. (Read 96804 times)

http://black-arrow-information-technology-shenzhen-co.imexbb.com/


Now, about those slim margins you mentioned, hence seeing if you can conduct refunds.

Deleted this fucked post, ASSHOLES!!!

~Bruno Kucinskas

Me think Black Arrow is still trying to figure out how some calendars work.

Roger, that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This leads to a few questions that should be answered as they may become relevant.
First, what metric will be used to determine that they are "cheaper than the competition"?  Will it be based on price per gigahash?  Or Watt per Gigahash?  Or some other metric?
Second, if it is Watt per Gigahash, then we will need clarification on final specs (1400 watts per 1 TH/s or for a full X-3)
Third, how will this be handled?  You promised!  But so far your only guarantee is that if you drop the price on your website, which any sane person, even  if orders stop coming in, wouldn't do as it would create a liability of more X-3's owed.  So really, that is just manipulative talk, as you do not have to drop the price for any reason, even if your competition is priced better.

Indeed, crooks with renders.

At least now they are providing some information, previously they thought renders would pacific the storm of criticism by customers ripped off by the '75% scam'.

That's 25% virtual hashing to the customer with the remaining 75% scammed from the customer due to misconstruing delivery dates.




There was a crooked man, and he walked a crooked mile,
He found a crooked sixpence against a crooked stile;
He bought a crooked cat which caught a crooked mouse,
And they all lived together in a little crooked house.

Do you have any more renders?





Wa-hahaha   

At least when they put the scrypt ASICs up for sale we will get 10% off because they lost us a ton of money with these orders, but then again, it isn't their problem since they only manufacture hardware.  Now that I think about it, that statement basically says we don't give two shits about our customers.  lol.  That statement they made (now for the 2nd or 3rd time) always troubled me, but I could never find the words to express how I felt when I heard it, but there it is.  They do not give a shit about us. 

They answered this question last page, the current production line will not incorporate Scrypt mining.  They are working on a scrypt miner (different project, different engineers) presumably paid by our pre order money...
The surprise they said was software related, but they will not tell us what it is until release.  So....we are back to withholding information.  IMHO releasing as much info as possible is their best bet right now, but they have our money and probably will just disregard that statement.

I don't know about the update, but that's pretty much how I see their overall approach at this point.  In my opinion that looks like this:

We'll tell you what we want, when we want, and control information to the greatest extent possible.  

If we don't like the question, or don't want to answer, we'll simply ignore it, like we're doing with the central question of refunds.  Or we'll tell you to submit a ticket to shut you up, and do nothing with that when you do.

We'll throw you a bone and tell you to sit like a good little doggie and wait for your miner which has been rendered a loser due to our fook-ups.  

if you don't like it, we don't give a damn.  we took your money, so we're done with you anyhow.  now please shut up so we can steer focus away from the fact that we are costing our customers thousands of dollars and back to an area more conducive to our profit margin.

GOOD CATCH!  I missed that and I assume it was a typo on BA's part, as 1400W should handle the complete X-3 based on previous chip specs, but please clarify.

could be.  I don't know that this is the time limiter on this project however.

From that standpoint, as long as we're waiting for things to get built that should have been built 2 months ago, can I suggest we install a beer tap on these things.    The cold beer can be run through the units and used to cool the chips when you're overclocking in order to frantically try to recover your money spent on these.

Of course we know that overclocking, while possible, voids your warranty, so don't do that.  And no-one should expect to get their money back, as this is not a financial services company.  And don't ask for a refund.  Well you can, but you might or might not get it, as we can't figure that out over the course of a month or more.

With this liquor enabled miner at least the end user can get a buzz on while watching their money go down the drain and pondering how a company that names it's currency producing products 'Prospero', can then turn around and tell people they shouldn't expect to prosper from them.

Maybe we should call it Sinkhole at this point.  Truth in advertising and all that good stuff.

Black Arrow has deleted the above post no less than three times, yet continues to champion their number one reseller.

Says a lot about who Black Arrow is, ergo they can NOT be trusted.

~Bruno Kucinskas

Seems to me that with deleting posts of only one Bitcoiner--me--and creating a banner for the upcoming Austin conference to be manned by a proven liar, I don't see where they'll find the time to do other things, i.e. answer repeated questions about refunds.




Let's revisit Black Arrow's first trustworthy reseller, shall we?

From the desk of Bobsag3, a.k.a. Matt Carson, Black Arrow's first and #1 reseller for their miners.


Timeline of Matt Carson's datacenter locations. Originally posted in Black Arrow's self-moderated thread, but quickly deleted for being...wait for it..off-topic (and that I was trolling, so they claim). Black Arrow has proof that Matt Carson can NOT be trusted, but continue to use him as their official reseller in the US. If I were to use Tom Williams, of mybitcoin.com, as my official reseller for some product, stating that people change, would I be able to sell many product, Alex Sovu, of cardreaderfactory.com? Me, the asshole, no think so, yet...

BUILDING #1: Purchased the building, awaiting infrastructure.



BUILDING #2: Moving to a better facility here (still in Missouri) located 90 miles away.




Here we are, on November 18th, and Matt still has his datacenter in Missouri at the second facility:




November 26th, edited on the 28th, Matt Carson is still in Missouri at the second facility: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3723600


On December 12, 2013, fresh back from China, Matt Carson posted the following... BTW, still located in Missiouri:


On December 13, Matt Carson hired additional staff to work at his Missouri-based datacenter, to date not mentioning Denver even once.


Four hours later, Matt mentions for the first the move to Denver, right after somebody ask about local pickup since he lives in KC. Did his new hires move to Denver with him?


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/minersourcenet-miner-hosting-llc-cheap-and-secure-hosting-and-sales-288012


BUILDING #3:

Somewhere in Colorado, in some warehouse with 16-18 foot ceilings, ideally well-suited for bitcoin miners that love fiberglass dust sourced from the exposed insulation in the ceilings and walls, blown free from the constantly moving vortex of air due to the industrial-sized air conditioning unit(s). Whatever you do, don't open up that massive overhead door that's probably not well-sealed, otherwise you'll really have the dust a flying.

This has been the third time you're on record in stating that you only moved once. Care to try for a forth time?

~TMIBTCITW

Are refund requests going to be honored or not?  This is a simple yes or no question BA.

don't give us the same 'submit a ticket, yada, yada, yada'

what is the policy of BA as to refunds at this point.  people need to know this simple piece of information.

Here is what I gathered and questions I have...
-Tape Out has not happened and is being delayed by about a day and a half?
-All the previous board designs and case designs, and heatsink designs, and fan designs, and power supply designs, and internal arrangement designs were wrong and are being changed.
-Boards will be able to handle extreme overclocking, but we will have to supply our own power supplies (I believe we should be given upgraded power supplies as part of the compensation package so that we can run overclocked and have a chance to make positive ROI, but thats just me)

Questions?
-Will we get a special update in 36 hours when tape out actually happens?
-What is this "extra feature" prospero?  Is this a different line of chips?  If so, why is engineering time being diverted to this and not to getting your original line completed?  What are the "special features"?  Will Batch 1 be given free upgrades to this "special chip" for having to wait?  If you are still on your May shipping deadline, and this is the same chip, having it as "beta" ready on 1st of May doesnt sound promising for having a full product ready to go for shipping?  Is this your way of saying that my product may have problems/issues, but its only a beta product so its "OK"?
-For the layman, what does it mean that you synthesised the FPGA LTC code?  Will these be dual miners now?  Or is this a different product line, which again reverts to why is engineering time being spent on other things when you are delayed your customers by over 2 months?
-Is our warranty voided if we overclock the prospero chip?  For batch 1 people, overclocking seems like the only way to make a positive ROI (or at least have a better chance at it), can we get warrenty for overclocking our machines?  And how about upgraded PSU's that can handle overclocking?

How can the miners be ready but the "extra features" be in beta? Can the miners ship without the features? Or is it something physical that needs to ship with the miner? (In which case, the miners would be delayed till the extra features are ready)

Definitely doesn't sound like they'll be ready to ship May 1