Topic: Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 125. (Read 96804 times)
Bobsag, I thought you would be sending out a mass email to your customers about the compensation package and other updates? When was this going to happen?
They basically said exactly what BA had been telling us. If that would be a violation of the NDA, then BA would have been in violation of it a long time ago. Specifics about the deal are under NDA most likely, not broad facts that BA has been telling us this whole time (ie 28nm ASIC being made by verisilicon and globalfoundries)
Yes, I understand...but that does not detract from standard corporate policy of...keeping you mouth shut. BA can say all they want...it's their Tech. But Veri is under an NDA and That email blows it right out of the water. Think about it. How long do you think a company that handles other company's proprietary technology under NDAs would last if they had employees that talked to general population about said technology?
It doesn't make sense...IMO
Handing out proprietary technology =/= Confirming a non-secretive contract with a company
BlackArrow had asked earlier that some people contact Verisilicon. I would assume that prior to doing that, he/she/they/it would have contacted Verisilicon and said "some fuckstains will be contacting you. This is what you can reveal without us getting butthurt" or something to that effect. What was addressed in the reply was not proprietary information, as BlackArrow has stated a relationship with Verisilicon since they first announced the project. Confirmations of this sort are not unheard of. More often it relates to "established" press people, but the internets have changed that paradigm beyond recognition, so that does not trouble me.
On a side note, Phinneas Gage is not trolling. Trolling is dragging a baited line behind a boat. PG is dynamite fishing.
What really pisses me off is that I can't dispute this.
EDIT: can should have been can't
This is silly. If BA asked Verisilicon to disclose the fact of their agreement to anyone who asked, that would supersede the NDA. It makes sense that BA would ask them to do this specifically during this circumstance. I'm sure if any one of Verisilicon's future customers saw this thread and asked, Verisilicon could produce documentation authorizing the disclosure of anything they said. As I said before, PG, I appreciate your efforts, but this is an empty rabbit hole you are looking down.
Thus, I've wasted a lot of energy looking into this, and nary a party will be harm in any way, for all have been vetted. Just wanted to be on record in stating such.
That said, I may be ending this crusade. I do respect/trust goosman96's efforts in all this.
http://www.slideshare.net/hudali15/stupidity-spawns-creativity
If we are not going to stick to the topic then please let us at least discuss the idea of Social Capital. Maybe some good can come out of the stupidity on display here. A more open and clear dialogue can happen between the actual parties who have a stake in this venture versus those who are merely perpetuating story lines in order to have people focus on their issues and agendas and not the issues of those who are stakeholders.
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The Role of Stupidity in Society.
Ali Anani, PhD
Managing Partner/ Phenomena Communications
Is stupidity a bad thing always? Or, does it have a dual role and can be rewarding sometimes?Are societies destroyed by stupid fools or there is an indirect blessed role for stupidity? Do we need to change our perspective on stupidity?
I shall not be stupid by not acting on the kind invitation by Magdalena to start a discussion thread on this topic.
Dear Ali, I invite you to post this presentation, here, on The Social Capital.
Ali Anani, PhD
Managing Partner/ Phenomena Communications
Is stupidity a bad thing always? Or, does it have a dual role and can be rewarding sometimes?Are societies destroyed by stupid fools or there is an indirect blessed role for stupidity? Do we need to change our perspective on stupidity?
I shall not be stupid by not acting on the kind invitation by Magdalena to start a discussion thread on this topic.
Dear Ali, I invite you to post this presentation, here, on The Social Capital.
If we are not going to stick to the topic then please let us at least discuss the idea of Social Capital. Maybe some good can come out of the stupidity on display here. A more open and clear dialogue can happen between the actual parties who have a stake in this venture versus those who are merely perpetuating story lines in order to have people focus on their issues and agendas and not the issues of those who are stakeholders.
Exactly, hence why I'm here.
They only confirmed publicly stated info by BA, nothing secret that is in the NDA. I know your heart is in the right place. Call the China offices and report back with your results. Otherwise, you are just being a fudster.
Exactly. NDA does not mean 'no one can talk about anything', necessarily. An NDA specifies what cannot be talked about but it's not the same (again, not necessarily) as not being able to talk at all about a matter. Depends on the specific NDA, and I guarantee you that ba's NDA with their resellers isn't the same NDA as they have with veriwhateveritscalled. So claiming anyone has breached an NDA Is reaching a bit unless you've read that specific NDA for yourself. (And yes, I've read, and signed, a few NDA's in my time, and they all had different things I couldn't talk about in them)
So, what you're saying is that during the penning of the NDA, Black Arrow purposely allowed anybody who asks Verisilicon if a contract is in place, to go ahead and tell them, and that Robert would have taken the time to read said NDA prior to replying to some anonymous email.
Not only that, but the initial email only references http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/, whereupon Robert had to take the time to hunt the site, then reference http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/minion-asic.html in his reply.
Thank God! Good follow through Goozman!
Now I can put PG on ignore again.
Now I can put PG on ignore again.
You just go ahead and do that, Mr. Date Registered: December 30, 2013.
Clearly, Verisilicon has broken an NDA agreement, and will probably lose millions of dollars in sales for doing such.
http://www.coindesk.com/bitmine-to-drop-4phs-of-asic-power-onto-bitcoin-network-before-april/
So, it took three entities to produce Massive Luck Investments and Bitmine's 28nm chip, but Virisilicon was able to produce the Minion on their own for Black Arrow.
Maybe, one day Black Arrow will be...
...with Matt Carson at the helm.
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The third generation ASIC, labeled CoinCraft, will be a 28nm in-house effort. It has been co-designed by a number of players, including Synapse, Innosilicon, and Verisilicon. The chip is built to scale with bitcoin network difficulty, by operating in three modes.
So, it took three entities to produce Massive Luck Investments and Bitmine's 28nm chip, but Virisilicon was able to produce the Minion on their own for Black Arrow.
Maybe, one day Black Arrow will be...
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Massive Luck Investments and Bitmine are jointly building a data center in China that will host mining power using the third-generation chips. That facility, which will cost just under $1 million for basic physical construction, will be finished around February, although it will start hosting CoinCraft processors in small quantities in December.
...with Matt Carson at the helm.
Time to put this shit to rest once and for all!
Sorry for doubting you BA; but your support still does suck.
Sorry for doubting you BA; but your support still does suck.
They only confirmed publicly stated info by BA, nothing secret that is in the NDA. I know your heart is in the right place. Call the China offices and report back with your results. Otherwise, you are just being a fudster.
Is there any evidence Black Arrow is using Global? I had the impression they were working with SMIC.
https://ecointalk.net/topic/368-who-is-producing-the-minion/?p=1195
They basically said exactly what BA had been telling us. If that would be a violation of the NDA, then BA would have been in violation of it a long time ago. Specifics about the deal are under NDA most likely, not broad facts that BA has been telling us this whole time (ie 28nm ASIC being made by verisilicon and globalfoundries)
Yup, I initially sent the email to:
[email protected]
but it bounced back (via [email protected]), telling me that it wasn't a valid address, even though I got it from here:
http://www.verisilicon.com/newsdetail_218_VeriSiliconAnnouncesZSPG4ArchitectureandZSP981Core.html
Then I sent it to these addresses:
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
After that, I got the reply back from [email protected] who also CC'ed it to [email protected]
So unless Verisilicon is in on a huuuuge scam operation, I think we're safe.
[email protected]
but it bounced back (via [email protected]), telling me that it wasn't a valid address, even though I got it from here:
http://www.verisilicon.com/newsdetail_218_VeriSiliconAnnouncesZSPG4ArchitectureandZSP981Core.html
Then I sent it to these addresses:
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
After that, I got the reply back from [email protected] who also CC'ed it to [email protected]
So unless Verisilicon is in on a huuuuge scam operation, I think we're safe.
Of course we all could have overlooked that...
Verisilicon sounds like:
very currency
much wow
many scam
Hahaha! Only joking!
Yup, I initially sent the email to:
[email protected]
but it bounced back (via [email protected]), telling me that it wasn't a valid address, even though I got it from here:
http://www.verisilicon.com/newsdetail_218_VeriSiliconAnnouncesZSPG4ArchitectureandZSP981Core.html
Then I sent it to these addresses:
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
After that, I got the reply back from [email protected] who also CC'ed it to [email protected]
So unless Verisilicon is in on a huuuuge scam operation, I think we're safe.
[email protected]
but it bounced back (via [email protected]), telling me that it wasn't a valid address, even though I got it from here:
http://www.verisilicon.com/newsdetail_218_VeriSiliconAnnouncesZSPG4ArchitectureandZSP981Core.html
Then I sent it to these addresses:
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
After that, I got the reply back from [email protected] who also CC'ed it to [email protected]
So unless Verisilicon is in on a huuuuge scam operation, I think we're safe.
Lol comprised email? That's the best you can come up with?
You fudsters are really running out of juice now. Maybe take a few days off to recharge your batteries and come back when you have any legit criticism.
Also sending an email to a nonexistent email address normally forwards to the companies catch all address. So unless verisilicon is incredibly incompetent I think the email is legit. Not sure why I bother addressing the fudsters as you will be back with more conspiracies tomorrow.
Anyways thanks goozman96 for giving us the details even though it might pain you to say something in support of BA (considering you didn't seem to happy with them not too long ago)
I have a horse in this race so I want BA to be successful. I was just highly dissatisfied with their support and response to questions/concerns. The reason it was pointed out that the email had been compromised in the past was because of this link:You fudsters are really running out of juice now. Maybe take a few days off to recharge your batteries and come back when you have any legit criticism.
Also sending an email to a nonexistent email address normally forwards to the companies catch all address. So unless verisilicon is incredibly incompetent I think the email is legit. Not sure why I bother addressing the fudsters as you will be back with more conspiracies tomorrow.
Anyways thanks goozman96 for giving us the details even though it might pain you to say something in support of BA (considering you didn't seem to happy with them not too long ago)
http://dazzlepod.com/csdn/?page=4893
In addition, you can do a search for verisilicon and see:
http://dazzlepod.com/csdn/?email=verisilicon
But the person that was CCed in the email to me does not have his email on that list of compromised emails (mind you, this is from several years ago).
Well, you might be lucky and get a reply?
You know I hope that in a couple of months Black Arrow delivers a mountain of excellent products, everyone is happy and makes ROI and we all look back and laugh at some of the things happening on this thread.
In the meantime, it has to be one of the most entertaining threads on the forum and it looks like new posters are joining it each day.
Thanks for the laughs everyone.
You know I hope that in a couple of months Black Arrow delivers a mountain of excellent products, everyone is happy and makes ROI and we all look back and laugh at some of the things happening on this thread.
In the meantime, it has to be one of the most entertaining threads on the forum and it looks like new posters are joining it each day.
Thanks for the laughs everyone.
Honestly, if the account was still compromised, he wouldn't CC his reply to someone else in the same company, because it's probably standard protocol to document all emails.
I just want to clarify that you have contacted verisilicon and received confirmation of a contract with BA? Is there still any reason to believe there is some bullshit going on?
Its very hard to understand whats going on with all the fudsters spamming this thread.
"why would a scammer do that?"
I suppose a scammer would do that to make it appear that they were indeed dealing with more than one lone person who may be fraudulently using a compromised email.
If I send a CC on an email to a made-up name, lets say [email protected], would you be able to tell if the email to Cindy was rejected and bounced back undelivered or properly sent to a legitimate employee?
No, probably not.
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Please email [email protected] in our US office or [email protected] in our China office, thanks.
To contact our fabrication partner email [email protected] and or call direct on +86 10 6553 2288
Seems legit?
Lmao!
Honestly, if the account was still compromised, he wouldn't CC his reply to someone else in the same company, because it's probably standard protocol to document all emails.
I just want to clarify that you have contacted verisilicon and received confirmation of a contract with BA? Is there still any reason to believe there is some bullshit going on?
Its very hard to understand whats going on with all the fudsters spamming this thread.
this is starting to look like a version of Abbot and Costello's 'who's on first' bit.
I have no doubt BA is building these things after goozman has done some due diligence to verify that Verisilicon is moving this along. He's no shill, he's been right out front on this all along.
come on people, this is not that complicated, and, more importantly, how did I end up seemingly defending these people and coming within a whisker of feeling sorry for them on some stops of this crazy train express tour?
::facepalm::
I have no doubt BA is building these things after goozman has done some due diligence to verify that Verisilicon is moving this along. He's no shill, he's been right out front on this all along.
come on people, this is not that complicated, and, more importantly, how did I end up seemingly defending these people and coming within a whisker of feeling sorry for them on some stops of this crazy train express tour?
::facepalm::
Honestly, if the account was still compromised, he wouldn't CC his reply to someone else in the same company, because it's probably standard protocol to document all emails.
408 844 8560
http://www.verisilicon.com/worldwideoffice.html
Odd! I just got off the phone and the lady doesn't know a Rober Kuang or of any Black Arrow.
Call them yourselves.
http://www.verisilicon.com/worldwideoffice.html
Odd! I just got off the phone and the lady doesn't know a Rober Kuang or of any Black Arrow.
Call them yourselves.
By the way, I specifically asked if Verilisilicon would release any information on any company contracting through them and she said no. Then, she starting asking who I was and what company I represented.
Call the number above and ask for yourselves.
Also, ask her if a Bruno Kucinskas called.
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