Topic: Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 135. (Read 96804 times)

Both Matt's and Blackarrow's "local time" on their profile is 8:30PM, so it sounds like they're in Europe, not China.

+1

yep. 

[/quote]The cries of "when's tapeout?" are not better the that puerile "Are we there yet?"
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asking for an update on your thousands of dollars is not puerile.  it's common f-ing sense. 

If a corporation had invested tens of thousands in a similar situation and was getting the runaround like this, they'd be in touch with their lawyers and, more likely, they'd be on a plane demanding an inspection of the plant and hard evidence of progress to date.  customers have sent BA what is likely several hundred thousand dollars, if not more.  That's not the type of money for which you just tell people they have no right to know what the hell is going on.

no-one in their right mind just shuts up and lets the other party just stonewall when this sort of money is involved, unless they're a damn fool.

https://ecointalk.net/topic/445-30-days-countdown-to-delivery/?p=1855

I'm glad to see someone from BA post something.  hopefully he can chime in with an actual update. 

a youtube video of an X-3 hashing away would send me running for the champagne bottle, but I'll settle for solid information on status and expected delivery for batch 1. 

Whatever it is, it is, and I think most will be fine with it, as long as it isn't the same ol', same ol'  "everything is on schedule and when we have more info we'll post it"   

Lol @ Wyoming time.

yep seems to be up again.

EDIT: NVM now says closed for about an hour.

any of the above would be fine.  

these postings here are after many of us, myself included, have asked politely over and over again via their boards and social media sites for an answer to these simple questions as to an update on boards/chips etc.  

People have been patient and are only now beginning to get edgy as it doesn't take a skilled manufacturing operations expert to realize that if they haven't gone to tapeout/bumpout, the target date is in serious jeopardy.   

If they've got the time to tell us all is hunky dory, they've got the time to tell us they've gone to tapeout and snap a couple of pics.  or that they haven't, and level with us as to where they're actually at.

I don't want warm and fuzzy for my 12 grand,  I want results and some amount of accountability with respect to deadlines on a time critical project. That's business and there's nothing warm and fuzzy about it.  

People's fears are well grounded. There has been a lot of overpromise and under-delivery in this sector, and Blackarrow acknowledged that earlier on too. If no one was asking for an update, then they'd probably never give one.

Any of the above would be acceptable at this point. If there's no change, then say there's no change and things are still on schedule.

To the argument that says they have no time to make one single post: they DO have time to make a post if they DO have time to log into both their bitcointalk and ecointalk accounts.
http://ecointalk.net/user/5-blackarrow/
Blackarrow was again online last night but didn't make a post.

 

their integrity is in question and still they remain silent.  gotta wonder about that.....

sigh, I really hope this doesn't digress any further, I had (still do for the time being) faith in them.

I'm starting to wonder if Butterfly Labs bought Black Arrow.

Or maybe their keyboard is broken.

and their camera.

or someone kicked the plug out of the wall for their interwebz connection.

or this company is run by monks who have taken a vow of silence.  The Order of the Black Butterfly, despisers of keyboards and communications of any kind.

True to some extent, although asking for a simple and honest update until they actually do it is preferable to me. 

For clarity, the rest of this post isn't directed any one person or comment and all of this is just one guy's opinion.


They do have a responsibility to their customers beyond taking their money and telling them to just wait.  Or, hey, maybe they don't.  I guess one could look at it from the perspective that you paid money for a product, and their sole responsibility is to deliver it.  I don't agree that this is good business practice, but some may see it that way, which is fine.

In most businesses an existing customer is highly valued, as they're vastly easier to come by than new ones.  From that standpoint, this lack of information is about the most counterproductive tack they could take. 

If there is a delay, fine, take the heat.  They may lose some customers in the short term by admitting it, but they will retain trust, which is very valuable; and at this point is seemingly eroding. 

People weighing the question of who to trust with their several thousand dollars should know the entire truth when plunking that type of cash on the table, so obfuscating or refusing relevant information could easily be seen as somewhat misleading in a material fashion.

Hopefully BA will see that this lack of information is very likely harming their business and simply post an update.  Some pics would be nice if they can spare the 10 minutes.  I'll be happy to STFU when they do.

Both blackarrow and blackarrow matt have been online recently but failed to make a post:
http://ecointalk.net/user/5-blackarrow/
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blackarrow-105804
http://ecointalk.net/user/169-blackarrow-matt/
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blackarrow-matt-168704

WTF

You'd think that if things were going well, they'd be excited to share it with us.
Considering the lack of communication, I'm guessing things aren't going well.
I hope I'm wrong.

everyone do their own diligence with these. Could be worth it?

If anyone is getting cold feet, I will be buying X-1 orders at 325 dollars a piece.

Thanks for your condescending input.  Asking for clarification is not getting one's panties in a bunch.  I and others have asked nicely for weeks on their forums and social media sites for clarification and gotten nothing but equivocations and assertions that everything is on schedule, all the while showing no actual proof of progress, unless you consider a CAD rendering proof of progress, in which case I've got a bridge to sell you. 

At a certain point patience runs thin, and we're there.   We're ~30 days from scheduled delivery and, last time I checked the hashing rate of a heatsink was 0.

They can answer a simple question and snap a couple of pictures related to where they're at in production without slowing down development.  Any sane person would think that a simple, honest, update at this point would not be too much to ask.