Topic: Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 32. (Read 96808 times)

So,

BA killed my account on the BA forums. Not surprised really, just wondered why it took so long. can't be bothered now to log back in on a different IP as im dealing with the lawyers in HK who now have the banking details and the office details for BA in HK. We also have the delivery originating address as well, i think they aren't that smart to send out from a different address so that's where the HK side of things will start.

Firstly a letter is going out from the Lawyers demanding money refunds
Secondly and im sure they won't respond to the letter, lawyers will launch a debt recovery action on them according the Chinese law.
Thirdly, and this is the part I've asked for video evidence.... when the bailiffs roll up to their address, i will post to YouTube for everyone to see what is being audited and catalogued.

This should be interesting as they can't for sure know what each device is worth, what the components are worth and finally what each ready or partially built system is worth, so i would imagine they will impound the lot and then audit based on market value for disposal ( maybe a chance to re buy back all the stock at a knock down price? )

Anyway, stay tuned for the next thrilling instalment of BTCA ship down !

I reported Black Arrow as a scam to our local scam reporting centre back at beginning of May after they claimed they would be shipping out finished miners a week after receiving the chips.

The Rent-a-Minion service is now officially a ridiculous scam.

If you purchased batch 1, you receive what looks like a weird phishing email from them, asking for your order #, how much you purchased, etc.

It's pretty clear this is just a way to get rid of people asking for refunds by "mining" their own coins back to them.

If you check minersource facebook page you see a dozen people asking when their X1 will arrive. If all those people would file a complaint maybe it will speeds things up. I might contact all of them personally but it depends if I receive my refund or not.

Minersource it's your move, send those refunds!

If you live in the United States and did business with Black Arrow, in addition to submitting a complaint through the BBB, you can submit a complaint through:

http://www.econsumer.gov/

This is a site that is run by the FTC specifically for foreign companies.

Anyone want to sit down for story time?

I have filed a complaint with the BBB and the FTC against Miner Hosting LLC and, of course, they chose to ignore the BBB. On Monday of this week I left work early to go to the magistrate court and file a small claims case. Before going to the court house I went home to let my dog out to pee. I was surprised, and kinda pissed off, when upon my arrival I found a package on at the front door from minersource containing not the refund I had requested a dozen times, but the X-1 I told them I did not want. Against my better judgement, I said to myself, "Screw it, I'm tired of dealing with them. I'll just cut my loses and mine with it until it the energy it eats costs more than the money it makes." So I went inside and opened it up. I was surprised once again to see that it was a model with an LCD touchscreen and Wifi, unlike the bare-bones version I received direct from Black Arrow two months ago. I went ahead and plugged it in and pointed it to the right pool/worker and then watched it mine. For about three minutes.

I had noticed on the browser page that it was running significantly hotter than my other one. I took a closer look at the X-1 and noticed that the fan was not spinning. Immediately, I turned it off and unplugged it. My first thought was that perhaps the fan was obstructed, so I gave a little push with a paper clip to test it. The fan seemed to spin fine so I thought I'd try it again. So I reconnected the power, the fan moved a tiny bit and stopped. There was a loud pop when the fan stopped. A few sparks and a fair amount of smoke came pouring out of the power supply. I pulled the power the minute things started to go bad, but I'm very lucky I didn't get electrocuted or burn my house down.

The person identifying himself as Thomas from minersource support offered to send me a new power supply. I told him I was not interested in receiving any Black Arrow products and I was sending this one back. I told him they have until Monday at noon to offer me reasonable restitution of one of these three options:
1) the full refund I requested several times over the last four months
2) a bitmain antminer s3+
or
3) a single BTC garden w/rPi and power adapter

Now very pissed off, I repacked the X-1 and drove to UPS and shipped it to Colorado at my own expense. I emailed Thomas the tracking information, which is more than they did for me, and told him if I hadn't heard a response from them by noon on Monday (eastern time) I would be continuing with my plan to file in small claims court.

So that's where I'm at now.

Also I have my own MS hate thread over on the scam accusations board and you're all invited to the party: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-not-order-from-minersource-705442

That's the ticket. Sure, BBB doesn't have any real authority, but people have received refunds after filing BBB complaints. On the other hand, filing a complaint online is trivial. If you can't even be bothered to do that, no wonder the manufacturers aren't feeling pressured. No one follows through.

BBB: file complaint online
FTC: file complaint online
Small Claims Court: file complaint online

That's all very easy to do. Yet who has actually folllowed through? The manufacturers just laugh at you if you don't follow through.

I've filled a complaint with the BBB minersource still has some time to refund me, next step will be the FTC.

I know.  Boggles my fucking mind.  People should be filing complaints with every agency they can find, including the FTC and the BBB.  There are 8 complaints?  EIGHT?  you've got to be fucking kidding me.  no wonder these companies keep getting away with this shit.  OG is right, the BBB can't do much when it comes right down to it, but they investigated Cointerra after several complaints came in there.

People need to realize that they need to take action.  Agencies will do something but not until it looks like a major issue.

There has been a case filed by the FTC against butterfly labs, after many complaints.  point is they are on to this shit.  they've done the legwork and filed a suit.  next time will be easier, as a lot of it is cookie cutter stuff for this situation also.


see coinfinance.com for the article on that.  for whatever reason I can't paste the address of the article in here.  the complaint is there.

BBB isn't so helpful in this situation.  If anything can be learned from the BFL saga it is that filing complaints with the FTC is the way to get results for this type of fraud.  https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov

Looks like not many people care enough about their orders to even file a BBB complaint. Only 8 complaints filed.

http://www.bbb.org/denver/business-reviews/computers-hardware-software-and-services/miner-hosting-in-denver-co-90167211/file-a-complaint

It's about time Minersource and Blackarrow continues/starts sending refunds.

Quoting so that BA can put it in my PM box. 

Due to popular demand I'm releasing BlackArrowBitchBot-0.1b for free to any customer who needs it (if BA doesn't have you on the auto-delete list running this will just spam the thread every 15 mins).

After Black Arrow decided to deploy a bot to automatically delete comments from customers complaining about being defrauded I decided to create a bot to re-post the deleted comments.

You will need:

Firefox 3.0 - don't let it auto-upgrade past version 3 as Chickenfoot isn't compatible with newer versions.

http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.0&os=win&lang=en-US

Chickenfoot 1.0.7 (Firefox scripting add-on).

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/uid/chickenfoot/chickenfoot.xpi

Hit F8 to bring up the Chickenfoot window and you'll need to log-on to BCT before the bot can post.

Here's the script just change the message and you're GTG:

That's just the kind of quality control we've come to expect from BA through their warm and cuddly X3 line. Nice to see they're consistent, at least.

Re-posted it here so it can't be deleted by BA.


So the X1 you received even after you asked for a refund died, can you take some pictures before sending it back?

People should start using this thread instead since blackarrow can't delete your posts here.


Let us know the progress, I've failed a complained with the BBB, hopefully that will bring my money back. I'll just keep trying until I get my money back.

edit: posted in this thread since the other is moderated by BA.


I'm still in the same situation, ordered 2 X1's from Minersource last year now I'm still waiting for my promised refund.

I bought the products from Minersource, they have my money I want it back just like Waramp22 has every right by law to have his money returned. It sucks for Minersource that they got screwed by Blackarrow but that doesn't mean they can just get away with not paying back their own customers.

Check out this quote from Minersource owners I got from this crypto new site.

After yesterdays visit to BFL from the FTC fairy I'm guessing Matt is sweating hard enough to extinguish a flaming Prospero X3. With any luck the PRC will follow suit with BA.

If you actually file a legit class action here's the "order of things"
A. Law firm evaluates the case and says "Yes, or No" They don't need to know how many e-mails of people you have, they base it on expectation to win, vs amount in suit.
B. If they accept the case or say they want to pursue it further, they give you contact info and/or create a release which can be distributed that shows the company, the name of the case and a brief summary. (If it's "your buddy doing it" he would be able to provide this info for re-posting without hesitation of any type.)
C. They tell you to give their contact number out for all communications involved between you and someone potentially in the suit. (Ie they would have said "Cease sending mails to BA immediately and direct all their replies to our address.") Most likely they would post in this forum directly, not have you try to represent them to the community. 
D. They interview the respondents, usually an e-mail form or online questionnaire, but it would be 100% verifiable and connected to a legal organization with a phone number and a contact name. 100% of the time.

If you can't provide verification in a public forum, you don't actually have anyone pursuing legal action, this is a lie you're probably using this as a scare tactic to try to get yourself some comp from BA or to circle-jerk people who do want some kind of legal action. Or come up with a list to give to BA in exchange for comp/miners/etc...