The MS/TB GB isn't going so well, they just got told "next week" after the first shipping deadline was missed.
Also, yes, even with free Minions these miners+heat sinks cost as much as an S3.
Where are our space heaters Captain?
Topic: Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 54. (Read 96804 times)
My orders are from mid December 2013 (and payment confirmation was extremely fast)
Did you request a refund?
X3 customers who ordered and paid in sep/oct/nov have got nothing so far except for a few that requested refunds.
While it's nice BA is shipping a few units, those of us that ordered and paid first and haven't requested a refund are choked.
BA reply to my email
Is this my problem?
SCAM they have lived with customers money, no investments at all...
IMHO if they told the truth that 70% of cost was from their own personal money - meaning customers paid only 30% of investment - they should be able to refund anyone who requests it 30% of what the customer paid. Let's see if they can do that. At least it would be an act of good faith and allow BA more time to start selling miners from stock in order to recoup their money and be able to afford to refund customers the other 70% they're owed.Quote
As per Management’s update, we cannot afford to send refunds as we've spent all money to purchase parts required to build the miners. If we cancel your order we have nothing to do with the cases, power supplies and other goods that have been manufactured just for your order. For this reason it is difficult for us to refund everything.
Is this my problem?
SCAM they have lived with customers money, no investments at all...
I'm trying to give you helpful advice Alex.
At least try to prove to people you're not as scummy as it seems.
Or delete this post. You pick the type of person you wanna be.
You have unspent Bitcoins in the wallets people sent to you, don't you? You've been mining in the past on your own equipment, and still are very likely. You should be able to slowly start refunding people.
People screaming about injustice here need an attitude adjustment, seriously.
"OMG I didnt get my magic internet money making machine in time to make money wahhhhhhh wahhhh"
BOO FING HOO. File Black Arrow among the countless businesses people have invested in that failed. Shit happens.
We gambled and lost. Thats it. Dont act like a baby.
Accepting personal responsibility for making a poor choice to preorder a product which wasnt even fully designed rests squarely on YOU.
Acknowledge your role in this fiasco. Stop blaming everyone else for YOUR failure to make a good investment.
"OMG I didnt get my magic internet money making machine in time to make money wahhhhhhh wahhhh"
BOO FING HOO. File Black Arrow among the countless businesses people have invested in that failed. Shit happens.
We gambled and lost. Thats it. Dont act like a baby.
Accepting personal responsibility for making a poor choice to preorder a product which wasnt even fully designed rests squarely on YOU.
Acknowledge your role in this fiasco. Stop blaming everyone else for YOUR failure to make a good investment.
Another X1 customer cuts his losses and walks away...
I'm sure BA really appreciates your willingness to bend over and not make any noise while they fuck you.
Hi Captain,
It's the middle of August now, can you send us the miners we paid you thousands of dollars for last year?
Thanks,
Your Customers
It's the middle of August now, can you send us the miners we paid you thousands of dollars for last year?
Thanks,
Your Customers
The scam that keeps on scamming.
From Blackarrow on ecointalk
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This is getting ridiculous. Why don't you come here and teach us how to build and ship miners?
Why don't you give Bitmaintech a call? They did a pretty good job of building and shipping.
uh huh, or the guy that's taking all of their chips and building those into miners. that guy seemingly beat them to market with their own fricking product.
how crappy of a business is it that pays to have a chip designed and then other people take that design and then design forward to an end product that beats their own to market. it's hilarious, if you look at it just right. and are kinda drunk.
Someone should go teach these inept retards how to build miners, as it's obvious they know precious little about it, and even less about running a business. we should start a pool on the bankruptcy filing date, as I don't see how this ship of fools does anything but sink.
they're also saying that if your refund hasn't been issued then it wasn't approved. give them your order number (ha, ha), and they'll look into it. total lies yet again. many people had refunds that were approved, were assured they were coming, blackarrow stated they'd happen in May, and then it was when shipping started, then it was when shipping was done. As far as I know nobody got a fiat refund voluntarily from these people and now if it never happened, when none of them happened, they've all been issued. this is typical logic for these people.
we'll do it on X becomes we'll do it on Y. We'll do it on Y becomes we'll do it on Z. then they don't do it all.
we saw it with price matching and now we're seeing it with refunds. these people are liars, plain and simple.
don't forget that they are doing it with compensation! first they told compensation, then they redid it, then they said when shipping started they would relook, then nothing changed effectively screwing everyone, then it was, well lets see when shipping is done. all the while, they were supposed to ship compensation with orders, then in the same batch, now, once shipping is done, compensation will start. it has been pushed back and back and back, meanwhile becoming more and more worthless by the day, just like their joke of a product. I wouldn't be surprised if they never shit out one unit of compensation for anyone. mark my words, it seems like it more and more everyday, they will not ship any comp units, and if they do, they will be worthless and used for 3 months plus however much longer it takes from today.
yep, they are doing it there also, playing the stringalong game. pushing it out until the last possible minute as a carrot, as they did with price matching and refunds, to keep people from suing the shit out of them, most likely.
for me the price matching was the biggest issue. the way I was looking at it, as long as they did that, which they stated they would right up until July, I think, these would be price competitive in the market.
if that were the case, as a miner, I'm pissed that I've lost time, but can be reasonably confident that what I'm getting is what other companies have to sell to make a profit, which can't be some ridiculous $/GH ratio or nobody would buy it. So they told that story all along, kept people onboard with it and then broke that covenant when it came time to ship. and what we end up with is a ridiculous $/GH ratio that nobody in their right mind would buy because other companies are selling for less. this was a major breach of trust and likely breach of contract, made here by their own people repeatedly.
they're doing the same thing with refunds. we'll get to it, we'll get to it. Fiat refunds will happen May. Sorry, but we're delayed again, so it will happen after shipping. Now it's the statement that they've been issued already.
From ecointalk:
"blackarrow
Advanced Member
I find this hard to believe. If you have not been refunded yet, your refund was not approved. Please PM the ticket number to review."
That ^^^^^ is ridiculous. I know plenty of people got their refunds agreed to months ago. Then they were told they would happen in May and then were told that it was because everyone was busy and refunds would be taken care of after shipping, and now it's they've already gone out or they weren't approved in the first place. That is blatant BS.
and as you indicate it's the same thing playing out with compensation. It seems unlikely, based their past behavior that they intend to do it, or over intended to do it in the first place.
this is a pattern of behavior with these people.
X1s arrived today with LCDs.
Running is my quickly setup chrome browser, next firmware/software update will bundle it all nicely together. Otherwise its a full android 4.2.2 machine with ethernet.
Came with power cord?Running is my quickly setup chrome browser, next firmware/software update will bundle it all nicely together. Otherwise its a full android 4.2.2 machine with ethernet.
I doubt it, the battery icon is reading 75%.
Ahahahaha that's really funny... did they tape a tablet into it and forgot to plug it in???
Naw it's just a useless artifact (the battery icon) stemming from the fact this machine is a half cellphone half bitcoin miner monstrosity.
X1s arrived today with LCDs.
Running is my quickly setup chrome browser, next firmware/software update will bundle it all nicely together. Otherwise its a full android 4.2.2 machine with ethernet.
Came with power cord?Running is my quickly setup chrome browser, next firmware/software update will bundle it all nicely together. Otherwise its a full android 4.2.2 machine with ethernet.
I doubt it, the battery icon is reading 75%.
From Blackarrow on ecointalk
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This is getting ridiculous. Why don't you come here and teach us how to build and ship miners?
Why don't you give Bitmaintech a call? They did a pretty good job of building and shipping.
uh huh, or the guy that's taking all of their chips and building those into miners. that guy seemingly beat them to market with their own fricking product.
how crappy of a business is it that pays to have a chip designed and then other people take that design and then design forward to an end product that beats their own to market. it's hilarious, if you look at it just right. and are kinda drunk.
Someone should go teach these inept retards how to build miners, as it's obvious they know precious little about it, and even less about running a business. we should start a pool on the bankruptcy filing date, as I don't see how this ship of fools does anything but sink.
they're also saying that if your refund hasn't been issued then it wasn't approved. give them your order number (ha, ha), and they'll look into it. total lies yet again. many people had refunds that were approved, were assured they were coming, blackarrow stated they'd happen in May, and then it was when shipping started, then it was when shipping was done. As far as I know nobody got a fiat refund voluntarily from these people and now if it never happened, when none of them happened, they've all been issued. this is typical logic for these people.
we'll do it on X becomes we'll do it on Y. We'll do it on Y becomes we'll do it on Z. then they don't do it all.
we saw it with price matching and now we're seeing it with refunds. these people are liars, plain and simple.
don't forget that they are doing it with compensation! first they told compensation, then they redid it, then they said when shipping started they would relook, then nothing changed effectively screwing everyone, then it was, well lets see when shipping is done. all the while, they were supposed to ship compensation with orders, then in the same batch, now, once shipping is done, compensation will start. it has been pushed back and back and back, meanwhile becoming more and more worthless by the day, just like their joke of a product. I wouldn't be surprised if they never shit out one unit of compensation for anyone. mark my words, it seems like it more and more everyday, they will not ship any comp units, and if they do, they will be worthless and used for 3 months plus however much longer it takes from today.
From Blackarrow on ecointalk
Quote
This is getting ridiculous. Why don't you come here and teach us how to build and ship miners?
Why don't you give Bitmaintech a call? They did a pretty good job of building and shipping.
uh huh, or the guy that's taking all of their chips and building those into miners. that guy seemingly beat them to market with their own fricking product.
how crappy of a business is it that pays to have a chip designed and then other people take that design and then design forward to an end product that beats their own to market. it's hilarious, if you look at it just right. and are kinda drunk.
Someone should go teach these inept retards how to build miners, as it's obvious they know precious little about it, and even less about running a business. we should start a pool on the bankruptcy filing date, as I don't see how this ship of fools does anything but sink.
they're also saying that if your refund hasn't been issued then it wasn't approved. give them your order number (ha, ha), and they'll look into it. total lies yet again. many people had refunds that were approved, were assured they were coming, blackarrow stated they'd happen in May, and then it was when shipping started, then it was when shipping was done. As far as I know nobody got a fiat refund voluntarily from these people and now if it never happened, when none of them happened, they've all been issued. this is typical logic for these people.
we'll do it on X becomes we'll do it on Y. We'll do it on Y becomes we'll do it on Z. then they don't do it all.
we saw it with price matching and now we're seeing it with refunds. these people are liars, plain and simple.
From Blackarrow on ecointalk
Also Bobsag has alluded to doing some assembly and also going over to China to do just that.
I ask again, what have you actually done? You haven't designed your own chip, the backplane was made by another party, everything you have "designed" has had to be reworked at least 3 times. You are nothing by failure and will soon fall. I am guessing your money supply is getting pretty low right about now, can't have any orders coming in since your selling shit and your rep has gone lower than BFL's. Have fun living on the streets or in jail you worthless excuse for human beings.
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This is getting ridiculous. Why don't you come here and teach us how to build and ship miners?
Isn't that what you asked people to do when you had the backplane failure?Also Bobsag has alluded to doing some assembly and also going over to China to do just that.
I ask again, what have you actually done? You haven't designed your own chip, the backplane was made by another party, everything you have "designed" has had to be reworked at least 3 times. You are nothing by failure and will soon fall. I am guessing your money supply is getting pretty low right about now, can't have any orders coming in since your selling shit and your rep has gone lower than BFL's. Have fun living on the streets or in jail you worthless excuse for human beings.
The asshole criminal Sovu decided that he was going to troll ecointalk today, and the nonsense he has to say us funny, I highly recommend checking it out.
Thanks for the heads up, heading there now, which account is he trolling under?
The asshole criminal Sovu decided that he was going to troll ecointalk today, and the nonsense he has to say us funny, I highly recommend checking it out.
Sooooo, apparently DHL tried to deliver my X-3 to me earlier today, sadly I'm out of town. The funny part is, not only did BA dishonor the refund request, that was initiated well over a month ago, they also broke an agreement to have my miner hosted for 12 months. It seems that after their poster child Jumbley, I might be one of the first recipients of an X-3, not because I'm such a good customer, but to screw me over even more. This shows appaling malicious intent, not only by breaking the law on the refund requests, but also by breaking an agreement/contract of having my miner hosted.
Just to show how ridiculous this is, my order is #2360, placed on Dec. 3rd, paid for on Dec. 5th in fiat. I'm pretty damn sure I'm not the 2nd, heck not even in the top ten of all X-3 orders. Yet my miner is already in my hometown at DHL and was attempted to be delivered. I'm sure there are people on this board with orders in the sub 1000 range, who paid way, waaaaaay earlier as I did, I'm pretty much one of the last batch 1 customers. Yet here we are, situation as it is.
BA, in a previous post I advised you that if you find yourself in a hole, to stop digging. Apparently you did not want to use that advice, because you really dug yourself into a massive pile of crap by now. I'll add all the above information to the legal proceedings, slowly but surely it adds up. As it looks right now you'll be burried in legal crap for the next 200 years, at least that ensures that you won't ever screw over people like this again. Not only did you show utter disregard to the law in HK and the PRC, or heck anywhere in the civilized world, you also showed that you do not intend to honor private agreements and contracts. The funny part is, that agreement/contract you broke would've made you MORE money. So you basically pissed away a few thousand dollars just to fuck with me. If that doesn't show you who we're dealing with here, nothing will.
Either way, I'm taking it with a grin. The more you try to screw with me, the more ammunition my lawyer has. Every single word I got from you and David, every single action from your end will be scrutinized to hell and back, and that sure won't look pretty. I'll make sure I'll file for every possible claim under the sun, no matter if the proceedings take two months or 20 years. With the shitstorm rolling at you, at least you won't be able to continue conning people like this, as you'll be burried in legal paperwork for the next 200 years.
Go ahead and delete this, I'm ready to repost it in the unmoderated thread.
Just to show how ridiculous this is, my order is #2360, placed on Dec. 3rd, paid for on Dec. 5th in fiat. I'm pretty damn sure I'm not the 2nd, heck not even in the top ten of all X-3 orders. Yet my miner is already in my hometown at DHL and was attempted to be delivered. I'm sure there are people on this board with orders in the sub 1000 range, who paid way, waaaaaay earlier as I did, I'm pretty much one of the last batch 1 customers. Yet here we are, situation as it is.
BA, in a previous post I advised you that if you find yourself in a hole, to stop digging. Apparently you did not want to use that advice, because you really dug yourself into a massive pile of crap by now. I'll add all the above information to the legal proceedings, slowly but surely it adds up. As it looks right now you'll be burried in legal crap for the next 200 years, at least that ensures that you won't ever screw over people like this again. Not only did you show utter disregard to the law in HK and the PRC, or heck anywhere in the civilized world, you also showed that you do not intend to honor private agreements and contracts. The funny part is, that agreement/contract you broke would've made you MORE money. So you basically pissed away a few thousand dollars just to fuck with me. If that doesn't show you who we're dealing with here, nothing will.
Either way, I'm taking it with a grin. The more you try to screw with me, the more ammunition my lawyer has. Every single word I got from you and David, every single action from your end will be scrutinized to hell and back, and that sure won't look pretty. I'll make sure I'll file for every possible claim under the sun, no matter if the proceedings take two months or 20 years. With the shitstorm rolling at you, at least you won't be able to continue conning people like this, as you'll be burried in legal paperwork for the next 200 years.
Go ahead and delete this, I'm ready to repost it in the unmoderated thread.
no surprises. conversations seem to go something like this:
"what is your order number"
"how can we know what order you want refunded if we don't have your order number"
"what punitive actions can we take with your order number? please send your order number so we can look into your refund"
"thank you for your order number, here is your tracking number"
and yes it is obvious that you paid well after many other people, so it's because not because they simply:
A. forgot about your refund.
B. Got to your order in the production queue.
This is typical behavior from these people from what I've seen. Where is Dogie with that ethics rating which still sits at 5/10 while all of this is going on.
How much ROI would an X3 customer have made by now if he had waited and purchased the S1 when it became available?
What date was the S1 available on and at what price?
What date was the S1 available on and at what price?
Bitcoin Difficulty: 19,729,645,941
Estimated Next Difficulty: 21,562,099,643 (+9.29%)
Adjust time: After 1560 Blocks, About 10.1 days
Hashrate(?): 165,361,077 GH/s
Estimated Next Difficulty: 21,562,099,643 (+9.29%)
Adjust time: After 1560 Blocks, About 10.1 days
Hashrate(?): 165,361,077 GH/s
The story so far as I understand it is, Jumbley being a group buy customer was in a bind to get his X3. Using his above average social skills and any means necessary he was, after five (5) months able to obtain an X3.
He then sold the X3 himself on ebay for $3633 to himself.
He then sold the X3 himself on ebay for $3633 to himself.
Ref: rent-a-minion.
I have requested a refund and they still have my BTC in the receiving account (check Blockchain.info for yours), not sure why this cant be refunded, it obviously wasn't spent.
There is no way they can build this to get our BTC back. I will wait on my hardware order but obviously this rent a minion isn't standing up until December earliest.
I have requested a refund and they still have my BTC in the receiving account (check Blockchain.info for yours), not sure why this cant be refunded, it obviously wasn't spent.
There is no way they can build this to get our BTC back. I will wait on my hardware order but obviously this rent a minion isn't standing up until December earliest.
I'm willing to bet they lost the password to their wallet!
Didn't they have an account at Gox
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