Topic: Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 74. (Read 96804 times)

Ya think?  X-3's are going out and they simply haven't had 30 seconds to post that here or or their forum.

More likely that if they do start shipping they won't let people know or provide tracking #'s so they can't contact the shipper to stop the shipment.

IMO, every move has been tactical.  if X-3's are going out and they haven't let people know it's because they don't want people to know.  More likely, it's a misdirection statement, with just a hint of truth.

they've shipped 1 to somebody, therefore X-3's are shipping, or something along those lines.  they have been very adept at looking like they're telling the truth while in reality telling half of it, at best.

"we're on time or a little ahead last I heard"  anyone remember that one?

BS they are shipping X-3's and just didn't post notice anywhere! That's another lie these scumbags are spouting.  Do we really believe that anytime they had remotely good news they got on their main account just to say it, even though they have the lowlife David for that, and probably the biggest news, shipment of their flagship device starts, and they just don't update anywhere.  I am yet again calling BS.

Also, unless your sueing for some other reason, they probably won't need to be able to produce that evidence as it is in your right to request a refund at any point.  Good luck to you sir, hit em hard.

I asked for a refund this morning stating that I will give the go ahead for my lawyer in Shenzhen who will work with my lawyer in The Virgin Islands and continue discussions with Scotland Yard if I don't have shipping info by the end of the month as it's the last promise I'm prepared to take. 
 
I will not sit quietly anymore after investing US$25K in this company and will happily spend more to regain that investment from them plus compensation if the lawyers do their job correctly.
 
I hope they actually don't send my X3s now because I will have a better chance of return through the legal system.  I'd love to see them produce the documents that made them decide they were ahead of schedule back in January let alone all the other documents they would need to produce to show why they have gone against almost everything they have told us.  i.e. documents to show the LCD orders from multiple companies and every document showing orders for each revision of board etc.  I don't believe they would be able to produce them so as my lawyer has stated... Should be a walk in the park.
 
This is the reply and if they are true to their word about their production capabilities (again, documents will be required) then it should only be a matter of days before they hit my order.  If I find that they've shipped to re sellers first then I'm not waiting for the end of month.
 
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Dear customer,

We have started shipping X3s on Saturday. We apologize for not posting evidence on our website, unfortunately we did not have time for this. We are shipping in the order of payments.

Thank you for your patience.

Regards,
Black Arrow Team

Consider this scenario:

a. After months of cooling in oil the obsolete hash boards are removed and built into X3 miners for customers.

b. The miners are shipped to angry customers.

c. The customers plug in the units and start hashing in spite of the fact they'll never recover more than 10% of their investment.

d. The heat from the ASICs vaporizes the residue oil on the hash boards and quickly fills the room with an explosive vapor.

e. The capacitors that can't explode produce only sparks.





 

Unknown with ? Address

Some say it's GHash.IO, but who's providing the hashing power?

I know for a fact it's not Joe Dirt because he hasn't received his miner yet.

and another from a guy whose order was sent directly from BA:

"I found the following numbers on the BlackArrow website and gave them a friendly call.......
 
 
http://www.blackarro...bout-us-en.html
 
Phone:
CN.png +86 755 2348 3465 08:30 - 17:30 (Beijing local time, UTC + , 从星期一到星期五  HK.png +852 8199 0849 08:30 - 17:30 (Hong Kong local time, UTC + , 从星期一到星期五  GB.png +44 203 239 7999 00:30 - 10:30 (UK local time, UTC + 1), Monday to Friday  US.png +1 858 437 9995 16:30 - 02:30 (California local time, UTC - 7), Monday to Friday
 
 
Spoke with their customer service advisor who appologised for the error and sent me the following email;
 
Dear Customer,

We are very sorry we shipped your order. Our compensation will follow soon and we will let you know when the compensation is ready.

Thank you for your understanding.

Regards,
Black Arrow Team"

here is a thread from econtalk
http://ecointalk.net/topic/392-black-arrow-weekly-production-update/page-407#entry14648
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David
Jul 16 18:54
Several order #'s to be exact, original was #R##########
As well as #### and ####.
This would of been ### Prospero X1's at a total cost of $######
and
T#### Prospero X1 PSU @ $44.99 ea for ####### plus shipping.
I am hereby requesting a full refund for this order as it has not shipped
yet, as of today July, 16, 2014.
I know it is of no fault of your own, but Black Arrow has intentionally
misled the public and the purchasers of the product, which is now six
months late.
Please process my refund and do not ship me the units.
Thank you.
--
 
 
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Dan Murtha <[email protected]> wrote:
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Your request (4172) has been solved. To reopen this request, reply to this email.
Dan Murtha (Minersource.net)
Jul 16 21:25
David,
Your units will packed up and ready to ship. They will be picked up in the morning. I apologize for any inconvenience and let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.
Thanks,
Dan Murtha
Co-Founder
[email protected]
1-844-646-3777
 
 
 
David <#############>
Jul 16 (4 days ago)
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Dan,
 
While I appreciate that, I have been thinking it over for the past week. There is no longer the possibility to earn an ROI and as I am not a business, I have no ability to continue to afford having to continuously purchase newer equipment as quickly as the difficulty has progressed.
 
Under FTC guidelines and Washington State consumer law, I have a right to a FULL refund as my purchase has not shipped at the time of request. Please process my refund, I believe I have been more than patient with Black Arrow in this whole debacle. I hold no ill will towards Minersource in this, I understand you were just as helpless as we were.
 
Thank you.

David
 
 
 
 
I then got no response until this email:
 
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Miner Hosting LLC <[email protected]>
Jul 17 (3 days ago)
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Dear ###########,

Thank you for your order from Minersource! We wanted to let you know that your order (#1268A) was shipped via UPS, UPS 2nd Day Air® on 7/17/2014.  You can track your package at any time using the link below.

Shipped To:
########################

Track Your Shipment: ############
 
I wrote back and that is where I got pissy:
 
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David
Jul 17 (3 days ago)
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You have ignored my request for a refund. You are willfully violating FTC Regulation Sec. 435.2 ©(1).
 
You are hereby notified that I will be going forward with filing complaints with both the Washington State BBB & Attorney General, the Colorado State BBB in Denver & the Attorney General. I have just finished filing my complaint with the FTC, reference #54876592. I am also speaking with my council with what options to pursue.
 
I have now lost any respect I had for Matt aka bobsag3 and Dan. This blantant and willful disregard for my request is disgusting.
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David
 
 
 
 
 
Dan Murtha
Jul 17 (3 days ago)
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Your request (4209) has been solved. To reopen this request, reply to this email.
 
 
Dan Murtha (Minersource.net)
Jul 17 16:13
David,
Sorry you asked for a refund after business hours after all the units were packed up and already ready to ship.
Dan Murtha
Co-Founder
[email protected]
1-844-646-3777
 
 
 
 
David
Jul 17 (3 days ago)
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That does not matter in the eye of the law. I requested it to be cancelled BEFORE you shipped it.
 
FTC Rules, which you should read, because you have violated multiple, states:
 
You must cancel an order and provide a prompt refund when:
the customer exercises any option to cancel before you ship the merchandise;
 
And
 
© To fail to deem an order cancelled and to make a prompt refund to the buyer whenever:
(1) The seller receives, prior to the time of shipment, notification from the buyer cancelling the order pursuant to any option, renewed option or continuing option under this part;
 
 
Since you responded to my first request for the refund, even though you said it was after hours now, you acknowledged I wanted to cancel my order and demanded a refund. The order had not been packaged and shipped according to your email, but would be today. I responded that I did not want the order.
 
I have already spoken to UPS and the shipment will be refused.
 
I have filed complaints with the Washington State Attorney General, Colorado State Attorney General, Missouri State Attorney General, The Federal Trade Commission, and the BBB for Denver Co and Washington State.
 
The law is on my side in this matter. If you wish, I will put you in contact with my attorney let the court decide. This would end up costing you more than if you just refunded it.

People on their forums are reporting that their miners are being shipped, even though their orders have been canceled after they have requested refunds.

Bitcoin Difficulty:   17,336,316,979
Estimated Next Difficulty:   19,477,254,247 (+12.35%)
Adjust time:   After 804 Blocks, About 5.0 days
Hashrate(?):   146,783,067 GH/s

The X3 has back plane problems and can't work. The X3 hash boards have been undergoing physiotherapy at the cloud hashing facility since May. They're going to return to work for customers after a few more months of difficulty jumps.

I found this book for sale on ebay along with guys trying to flog their 80Gh/s X1s for $400.



"sell it yourself" -- BA in response to a refund request

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gouMnKavDI4

A short video clip of "capacitors that cannot not explode".

I'd guess it's overheating due to improperly applied thermal paste.

Yea, I thought they weren't supposed to explode!  Looks like one more lie/poor quality from BA.

We've been ripped off and the best conspiracy theory wins!

All that matters is that our money is gone. What exactly the dog did with it before he ate it is something we may never know.

Then suddenly BA had a plentiful stock of BitFurry boards in-hand for sale cheap.

In May when the X3 was having back plane problems and couldn't work the rent-a-minion customers were told that the X3 hash boards were being made into the X2 for them to start hashing with.

Knowing that my money was only used to finance the X2 farm and not the BitFurry one doesn't really change much.

ASCICMiner, Avalon, FPGA, how else could they mine back then if not BitFury?

It does make sense when BitFurry is the only stock left. I tried to get them in late November but somebody snached up all the stock everywhere. Too late for the Jupiter and no BitFurry stock left, as somebody said BA had the least fleas and they looked like the next KnCMiner.