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legendary
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Christian Antkow
June 19, 2013, 10:31:00 PM
It's not easy for me, but I believe what I'm doing is in the best interest of everybody involved.
Don't worry Garr255, you can speak your mind. Inaba doesn't speak for BFL. He just likes to harass people here. Josh@BFL has promised BFL will not force refunds on anyone.
http://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/3026-forced-refunds.html#post37336
Quote from:  BFL_Josh
BFL is not doing forced refunds on anyone.

ಠ_ಠ
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One bitcoin to rule them all!
June 19, 2013, 10:28:19 PM
To all of you that seem concerned about Garr using a sockpuppet account: I was refreshing this thread constantly when Inaba accused Garr of using a sockpuppet account to post and I never saw that happen. I think Inaba photoshopped the image he used. Think about it a minute. Who constantly snap screenshots so fast that they could catch a posting that couldn't have been here for more than a few seconds.


Doubt it disappears without a refresh of the page.
sr. member
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June 19, 2013, 10:06:02 PM
Someone should probably inform the suckers that got bid up by the sock puppet that they got robbed.


Please tell me that you refunded his order. This asshole stinks more and more.
legendary
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June 19, 2013, 10:03:11 PM

It's not easy for me, but I believe what I'm doing is in the best interest of everybody involved.

Don't worry Garr255, you can speak your mind. Inaba doesn't speak for BFL. He just likes to harass people here. Josh@BFL has promised BFL will not force refunds on anyone.

http://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/3026-forced-refunds.html#post37336

Quote from:  BFL_Josh
BFL is not doing forced refunds on anyone.
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June 19, 2013, 09:37:30 PM
Werner is German according to his profile. He also doesn't use capital letters and he seems to suck at English:

'i thank all for informations provide.'

'thanks for informations sir. this fora website is full of them!'

'I have used the electrum since it had release, and it has not been bad very much...'

'I would like to recommend BAMT. mining in windows is not a thing exept trouble!!'


Oh but wait! A few months later his English improved tremendously!

I am laughing hysterically... This obscene adult is being shown up by a seventeen year old who runs his business flawlessly!!!

Why do they purchase from this if others are selling with lower order number and for fewer BTC? Beats me.


Nice! He's even using capital letters now!
erk
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June 19, 2013, 09:31:03 PM
Okay, going through Werners posts I found this....

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1689664

I am in the same situation so I invested in this mining company: http://cognitivemining.com/

They already had asic purchase, the first actually. So now we can own part of that first purchase!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/butterfly-labs-60-is-there-any-point-at-this-point-201303-153263

Sorry Garr, it's just way too coincidental.  

The guy is a high school kid trying to make a fast buck with shares:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/starting-a-new-fpga-mining-farmcontract-cognitive-resurrected-onhavelock-67547

http://cognitivemining.com/about.html

I mean what does it matter if Werner and Garret are the same 17 year old kid or not?

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June 19, 2013, 09:30:33 PM
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lol Who ever has the dutchie please pass it to the right side man!

My post count went down WTF
hero member
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June 19, 2013, 09:13:21 PM
Hey all, regarding the Werner account:
It is appalling that someone would accuse me of doing something as low as bidding up my own auctions. You make me sick.

--Garr

Then what exactly happened here? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1689855

That's a gotcha indeed.

However it doesn't make Inaba's behavior any more respectable either.

This is almost as good as the various scammer partners in Bitfinex outing each other.
hero member
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June 19, 2013, 09:10:37 PM
Okay, going through Werners posts I found this....

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1689664

I am in the same situation so I invested in this mining company: http://cognitivemining.com/

They already had asic purchase, the first actually. So now we can own part of that first purchase!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/butterfly-labs-60-is-there-any-point-at-this-point-201303-153263

Sorry Garr, it's just way too coincidental. 
legendary
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June 19, 2013, 08:56:58 PM
That's an interesting statement.  It's classic "I'm lying, but I'm doing what I feel is best".  In other words, it's a misdirection from the bid shilling in order to save Cognitive.  Honestly, I'm hoping I'm wrong.  It seems like you've been a valued member here for quite some time.  But, it's also very easy for a forum owner to determine the truth.  Hopefully it doesn't come to that.  I'm hoping some photoshop experts will take a look at both Inabas screen-caps and post opinions. 

Occam's razor says Werner is a sockpuppet. Too bad scammer tags don't exist anymore.
hero member
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June 19, 2013, 08:53:44 PM
It seems Garr's hands are tied behind his back, cut him some slack.

He cannot refute the claims for fear of his orders being cancelled. Cancelled orders would not only hurt him, but his mining company (and investors), and people that have purchased some of his orders.

Stop being silly insisting he explain himself... maybe after his orders are delivered, we can revisit this issue.

But until then, it is heartless to insist he explain himself with the possibility of his order being cancelled if he does.

+1   Garr is being blackmailed with the threat of having his order cancelled to claim ownership of that account.

It seems Garr's hands are tied behind his back, cut him some slack.

He cannot refute the claims for fear of his orders being cancelled. Cancelled orders would not only hurt him, but his mining company (and investors), and people that have purchased some of his orders.

Stop being silly insisting he explain himself... maybe after his orders are delivered, we can revisit this issue.

But until then, it is heartless to insist he explain himself with the possibility of his order being cancelled if he does.

To all of you that seem concerned about Garr using a sockpuppet account: I was refreshing this thread constantly when Inaba accused Garr of using a sockpuppet account to post and I never saw that happen. I think Inaba photoshopped the image he used. Think about it a minute. Who constantly snap screenshots so fast that they could catch a posting that couldn't have been here for more than a few seconds.

Thank you, thank you, and thank you.

It's not easy for me, but I believe what I'm doing is in the best interest of everybody involved.

That's an interesting statement.  It's classic "I'm lying, but I'm doing what I feel is best".  In other words, it's a misdirection from the bid shilling in order to save Cognitive.  Honestly, I'm hoping I'm wrong.  It seems like you've been a valued member here for quite some time.  But, it's also very easy for a forum owner to determine the truth.  Hopefully it doesn't come to that.  I'm hoping some photoshop experts will take a look at both Inabas screen-caps and post opinions. 
hero member
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June 19, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
To all of you that seem concerned about Garr using a sockpuppet account: I was refreshing this thread constantly when Inaba accused Garr of using a sockpuppet account to post and I never saw that happen. I think Inaba photoshopped the image he used. Think about it a minute. Who constantly snap screenshots so fast that they could catch a posting that couldn't have been here for more than a few seconds.




Ok, then we need to ask Theymos if the IP address matches for both Garr/Werner accounts.  Either Garr255/Werner is committing fraud or Inaba is committing libel.  One has got to go. 

No - we don't need to ask Theymos that.

All we need to ask is whether the werner account made (and then deleted) the same post that Garr subsequently posted (which can be checked).  Checking IPs would produce a false negative if the werner account was run through a proxy - and possibly a false positive if wener was someone close to (but not) Garr (though it would still be dodgy having a family member or whatever bid on your auctions to pump the price)..

If the werner account didn't make the post at all then there's then zero reason to believe it's Garr and it would mean Inaba faked the only direct evidence of a link.
If the werner account DID make the post then obviously it IS a sock-puppet of Garr's - and with the auction bids that plainly deserves some sort of untrustworthy or scammer tag.

There's no point asking Garr - as he's obviously lieing either in his apology or by attempting to infer that his apology is untrue.  Asking a liar which of two contradictory statements is the truth is obviously futile - as why would you believe the answer?
legendary
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June 19, 2013, 08:48:20 PM
Ok, then we need to ask Theymos if the IP address matches for both Garr/Werner accounts.  Either Garr255/Werner is committing fraud or Inaba is committing libel.  One has got to go. 
If a mod can check that for us I'd be soooo happy Smiley

And what would that tell us? I can change my IP in a minute to appear is if it's a thousand miles away.

I would rather if a mod just closed the thread, as it seems to have degraded and gone offtrack.

If the accounts both originate from the same IP, that would be pretty damning evidence.
erk
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June 19, 2013, 08:46:44 PM
Ok, then we need to ask Theymos if the IP address matches for both Garr/Werner accounts.  Either Garr255/Werner is committing fraud or Inaba is committing libel.  One has got to go. 
If a mod can check that for us I'd be soooo happy Smiley

And what would that tell us? I can change my IP in a minute to appear is if it's a thousand miles away.

I would rather if a mod just closed the thread, as it seems to have degraded and gone offtrack.

hero member
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June 19, 2013, 08:46:24 PM
To all of you that seem concerned about Garr using a sockpuppet account: I was refreshing this thread constantly when Inaba accused Garr of using a sockpuppet account to post and I never saw that happen. I think Inaba photoshopped the image he used. Think about it a minute. Who constantly snap screenshots so fast that they could catch a posting that couldn't have been here for more than a few seconds.




Looking into this as well.  In order for the photoshop to happen, Inaba would have to capture the post, alter it, save it, send it to communityhosting.net, and post the accusation... all under five minutes.
legendary
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June 19, 2013, 08:45:51 PM
To all of you that seem concerned about Garr using a sockpuppet account: I was refreshing this thread constantly when Inaba accused Garr of using a sockpuppet account to post and I never saw that happen. I think Inaba photoshopped the image he used. Think about it a minute. Who constantly snap screenshots so fast that they could catch a posting that couldn't have been here for more than a few seconds.

I have caught and screenshot sockpuppets who screw up in that manner.
Theymos could shed more light on the subject, but none is needed imo.
Inaba finally shit on someone who deserved it.  Grin

FYI, anyone who thinks that the screenshot by Inaba is edited can check to see if the pixels match up correctly. Images doctored by amateurs are easy to spot.
http://internet.wonderhowto.com/how-to/photo-forensics-check-if-picture-has-been-photoshopped-not-0138649/
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June 19, 2013, 08:44:48 PM
To all of you that seem concerned about Garr using a sockpuppet account: I was refreshing this thread constantly when Inaba accused Garr of using a sockpuppet account to post and I never saw that happen. I think Inaba photoshopped the image he used. Think about it a minute. Who constantly snap screenshots so fast that they could catch a posting that couldn't have been here for more than a few seconds.
Are you some noob, if a post is there to see, the beholder can wait hours to take a screenshot, as long as he not refreshes the, in the meantime edited, page.
"I can't be real, no, he photo-shopped and uploaded it" yeah in 1minute and 59seconds, brilliant, Watson...

What the fuck has happened to your brains folks!
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June 19, 2013, 08:41:08 PM
Ok, then we need to ask Theymos if the IP address matches for both Garr/Werner accounts.  Either Garr255/Werner is committing fraud or Inaba is committing libel.  One has got to go. 
If a mod can check that for us I'd be soooo happy Smiley
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June 19, 2013, 08:40:23 PM
"werner" is the first shady thing that garr has done...I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt until bfl delivers his order so that he can explain his side of the story without fear of bfl's "costumer service".


Said Werner 2.0?
nope, I'am a 23 year old mexican living in the south of texas  Tongue
legendary
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What's a GPU?
June 19, 2013, 08:39:41 PM
It seems Garr's hands are tied behind his back, cut him some slack.

He cannot refute the claims for fear of his orders being cancelled. Cancelled orders would not only hurt him, but his mining company (and investors), and people that have purchased some of his orders.

Stop being silly insisting he explain himself... maybe after his orders are delivered, we can revisit this issue.

But until then, it is heartless to insist he explain himself with the possibility of his order being cancelled if he does.

+1   Garr is being blackmailed with the threat of having his order cancelled to claim ownership of that account.

It seems Garr's hands are tied behind his back, cut him some slack.

He cannot refute the claims for fear of his orders being cancelled. Cancelled orders would not only hurt him, but his mining company (and investors), and people that have purchased some of his orders.

Stop being silly insisting he explain himself... maybe after his orders are delivered, we can revisit this issue.

But until then, it is heartless to insist he explain himself with the possibility of his order being cancelled if he does.

To all of you that seem concerned about Garr using a sockpuppet account: I was refreshing this thread constantly when Inaba accused Garr of using a sockpuppet account to post and I never saw that happen. I think Inaba photoshopped the image he used. Think about it a minute. Who constantly snap screenshots so fast that they could catch a posting that couldn't have been here for more than a few seconds.

Thank you, thank you, and thank you.

It's not easy for me, but I believe what I'm doing is in the best interest of everybody involved.
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