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But who benefits of this global warming terrorism?


Everyone who tells you YOU should stop having babies and heat yourself...


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But who benefits of this global warming terrorism?
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Friday off to frosty start as 15 cold weather records drop
Val Marie's the cold spot at -29.7 C
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Weather says relatively little of substance about climate.  Usually nothing.  Both the 'deniers' and the 'warmists' fall into this trap.  The sad part is that when the weather doesn't cooperate with their desires they suddenly get a little more scientifically rigorous (albeit temporarily) and call out the other side.

I read somewhere that on a surface area the size of the U.S., chances are that there will be six 100-year record readings per year just by the nature of statistics.  I've not done the math or studied the problem set-up, but actually that does not seem far off of my observations from what I've seen reported over the years.


For you to say this, you must misunderstand what is meant by weather.  I assume that you mean it as "today's weather".

I mean the science of meteorology.  This is the actual backbone of climate, and is the medium through which the instantaneous expression of chaotic impressions of climate occur. 

Further, what I have seen is that deniers and warmers are not falling into any trap on the subject of weather.  Rather, warmers shriek hysterically about extreme weather as proof of their creeds, and "deniers" tongue in cheek or outright joking, call out interesting facts like record snow blizzards occur anywhere Al Gore goes.

Makes total sense to me considering the dynamics of the two groups...



"Warmists" cannot have a sense of humor as they know something we do not...





 
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Friday off to frosty start as 15 cold weather records drop
Val Marie's the cold spot at -29.7 C
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Weather says relatively little of substance about climate.  Usually nothing.  Both the 'deniers' and the 'warmists' fall into this trap.  The sad part is that when the weather doesn't cooperate with their desires they suddenly get a little more scientifically rigorous (albeit temporarily) and call out the other side.

I read somewhere that on a surface area the size of the U.S., chances are that there will be six 100-year record readings per year just by the nature of statistics.  I've not done the math or studied the problem set-up, but actually that does not seem far off of my observations from what I've seen reported over the years.


For you to say this, you must misunderstand what is meant by weather.  I assume that you mean it as "today's weather".

I mean the science of meteorology.  This is the actual backbone of climate, and is the medium through which the instantaneous expression of chaotic impressions of climate occur. 

Further, what I have seen is that deniers and warmers are not falling into any trap on the subject of weather.  Rather, warmers shriek hysterically about extreme weather as proof of their creeds, and "deniers" tongue in cheek or outright joking, call out interesting facts like record snow blizzards occur anywhere Al Gore goes.

Makes total sense to me considering the dynamics of the two groups...
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Global warming is the cause of it! Get with the program damn it!  Wink Smiley

Being a jackass on the 'climate skeptic' side does not offset jackass-ishness on the 'warmist' side.  At least not to some (probably small) fraction of observers.



Jackass-ishness is caused by global warming too.


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Global warming is the cause of it! Get with the program damn it!  Wink Smiley

Being a jackass on the 'climate skeptic' side does not offset jackass-ishness on the 'warmist' side.  At least not to some (probably small) fraction of observers.

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Friday off to frosty start as 15 cold weather records drop
Val Marie's the cold spot at -29.7 C

CBC News Posted: Nov 14, 2014 7:07 AM CT Last Updated: Nov 14, 2014 7:16 AM CT

      

   


A number of new record low temperatures were recorded across Saskatchewan Friday morning, including Val Marie in the far southwest.

Cold weather records were falling like frost-covered dominoes across Saskatchewan on Friday morning.

Fifteen new records for Nov. 14 were set as Saskatchewan's big chill continues, thanks to a so-called polar vortex.

    What the heck is a polar vortex?

The cold spot was Val Marie, which set a new low for Nov. 14 when the mercury dipped to -29.7 C.

Meanwhile, it was mighty cold, but no records were set in Regina (-21.1) and Saskatoon (-20.6).

More to come


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/friday-off-to-frosty-start-as-15-cold-weather-records-drop-1.2834958






Global warming is the cause of it! Get with the program damn it!  Wink Smiley

legendary
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Friday off to frosty start as 15 cold weather records drop
Val Marie's the cold spot at -29.7 C
...

Weather says relatively little of substance about climate.  Usually nothing.  Both the 'deniers' and the 'warmists' fall into this trap.  The sad part is that when the weather doesn't cooperate with their desires they suddenly get a little more scientifically rigorous (albeit temporarily) and call out the other side.

I read somewhere that on a surface area the size of the U.S., chances are that there will be six 100-year record readings per year just by the nature of statistics.  I've not done the math or studied the problem set-up, but actually that does not seem far off of my observations from what I've seen reported over the years.

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Friday off to frosty start as 15 cold weather records drop
Val Marie's the cold spot at -29.7 C

CBC News Posted: Nov 14, 2014 7:07 AM CT Last Updated: Nov 14, 2014 7:16 AM CT

      

   


A number of new record low temperatures were recorded across Saskatchewan Friday morning, including Val Marie in the far southwest.

Cold weather records were falling like frost-covered dominoes across Saskatchewan on Friday morning.

Fifteen new records for Nov. 14 were set as Saskatchewan's big chill continues, thanks to a so-called polar vortex.

    What the heck is a polar vortex?

The cold spot was Val Marie, which set a new low for Nov. 14 when the mercury dipped to -29.7 C.

Meanwhile, it was mighty cold, but no records were set in Regina (-21.1) and Saskatoon (-20.6).

More to come


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/friday-off-to-frosty-start-as-15-cold-weather-records-drop-1.2834958




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Here's a thought..

If we picture the earth as a huge living creature, would it's immune system not try to cure itself? For instance, a human, when becoming sick, body temperature will raise, and the immune system will do its best to fight any disease.

So is it unthinkable that earth is a self regulative system that will try to fix itself? From what we can see from natural disasters, man cannot combat these at all, the power of nature is beyond and above everything.

If the "immune system" of earth really fired up, and there was extreme weather and extreme natural disasters all over the planet, lots of humans would die, and if enough humans dies, there would not be that much of a need for all the things we produce, and not as many polluters.

Or perhaps a more likely scenario is that we skew everything, and just slowly die off, as we no longer can sustain ourselves.

It would be kinda true if humans were extra terrestrials. As far as we know Gaia is our mom. If Gaia created us then we are most likely the anti body that defends her from destruction from outer space. Gaia was tired of having to reboot Evolution after so many asteroid impacts and decided to make us. We are curious about space, we like destroying stuff and we don't like to die too quickly. Maybe our purpose is to fight off killer asteroids and defend Gaia...  Grin



That's actually a bit profound.  We are the protectors of the planet, not the destroyers.


Yes. On a Gaia scale we are. The warmists are the real cancer as they are anti humans (population reductions proposals, etc). The only organism that can save the whole ecosystem from ultimate doom forever is mankind, created by Gaia...

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this time there has been a climate change caused by human behavior which causes global warming, global warming caused by the multitude of men wearing aerosols that cause global warming, iklimpun changes occur because of the melting ice in the north and south poles, and the sea water level rise and lowlands sink ...
legendary
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Here's a thought..

If we picture the earth as a huge living creature, would it's immune system not try to cure itself? For instance, a human, when becoming sick, body temperature will raise, and the immune system will do its best to fight any disease.

So is it unthinkable that earth is a self regulative system that will try to fix itself? From what we can see from natural disasters, man cannot combat these at all, the power of nature is beyond and above everything.

If the "immune system" of earth really fired up, and there was extreme weather and extreme natural disasters all over the planet, lots of humans would die, and if enough humans dies, there would not be that much of a need for all the things we produce, and not as many polluters.

Or perhaps a more likely scenario is that we skew everything, and just slowly die off, as we no longer can sustain ourselves.

It would be kinda true if humans were extra terrestrials. As far as we know Gaia is our mom. If Gaia created us then we are most likely the anti body that defends her from destruction from outer space. Gaia was tired of having to reboot Evolution after so many asteroid impacts and decided to make us. We are curious about space, we like destroying stuff and we don't like to die too quickly. Maybe our purpose is to fight off killer asteroids and defend Gaia...  Grin



That's actually a bit profound.  We are the protectors of the planet, not the destroyers.
legendary
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Here's a thought..

If we picture the earth as a huge living creature, would it's immune system not try to cure itself? For instance, a human, when becoming sick, body temperature will raise, and the immune system will do its best to fight any disease.

So is it unthinkable that earth is a self regulative system that will try to fix itself? From what we can see from natural disasters, man cannot combat these at all, the power of nature is beyond and above everything.

If the "immune system" of earth really fired up, and there was extreme weather and extreme natural disasters all over the planet, lots of humans would die, and if enough humans dies, there would not be that much of a need for all the things we produce, and not as many polluters.

Or perhaps a more likely scenario is that we skew everything, and just slowly die off, as we no longer can sustain ourselves.

It would be kinda true if humans were extra terrestrials. As far as we know Gaia is our mom. If Gaia created us then we are most likely the anti body that defends her from destruction from outer space. Gaia was tired of having to reboot Evolution after so many asteroid impacts and decided to make us. We are curious about space, we like destroying stuff and we don't like to die too quickly. Maybe our purpose is to fight off killer asteroids and defend Gaia...  Grin


legendary
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Here's a thought..

If we picture the earth as a huge living creature, would it's immune system not try to cure itself? For instance, a human, when becoming sick, body temperature will raise, and the immune system will do its best to fight any disease.

So is it unthinkable that earth is a self regulative system that will try to fix itself? From what we can see from natural disasters, man cannot combat these at all, the power of nature is beyond and above everything.

If the "immune system" of earth really fired up, and there was extreme weather and extreme natural disasters all over the planet, lots of humans would die, and if enough humans dies, there would not be that much of a need for all the things we produce, and not as many polluters.

Or perhaps a more likely scenario is that we skew everything, and just slowly die off, as we no longer can sustain ourselves.
The actual theory of the self regulating Gaia (by Lovelace) is quite interesting and has spawned a bunch of new age Gaia-loving nonsense.  Last I heard, Lovelace had gone to the dark side and is now something of a "climate denier."
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OK, I finally got off my ass and started studying this thing.  I've always been of the opinion that human activity is certainly impacting CO2 ratios and probably is making some contribution to global tempertures, but in scientific and engineering terms this is not a very meaningful thing.  Magnitudes are everything.  I've also long been of the opinion that the environmentalist side is leveraging things to achieve semi-non-related objectives (just as I have that there are special interests on the other side as well.)  But until I study things I won't know how much.
....


Not many people actually study it, and few of those succeed in understanding.  The deck is stacked, and not just for political reasons.  It's basically difficult for the human mind to take a random walk data pattern, separate the underlying trends, and then not fall prey to thinking he can essentially use linear projection to predict the future.    I think at that level it's a similar problem to predicting the stock market.  It is fundamentally chaotic behavior.

Don't forget basic meteorology, 101 style college level.  99% of the people talking like they know climate don't even know weather.

LOL...

Even before weather (which both sides seem to use unfairly sometimes) there is a simple framing of the actual problem.  Does water vapor act as a positive or negative feedback.

The fact that pretty much all of the models are proving quite wrong so far on the 'panic now' side indicates to me that the fraud on the 'warmist' side is significant.

Before I got to studying things I heard that 'oh, the heat is going into the ocean, but it will come bubbling back up so don't worry, it's still appropriate to panic.'...

Yeah, THAT argument.  The hidden mystery heat, lol....

I like the arguments the make me laugh.  Mystery heat is one of those.  Another one that you don't hear much anymore is the "clathrate gun" scheme.  I won't call it "hypothesis" or "theory".  Basically the idea here is that these compounds deep in the ocean absorb the CO2, then suddenly shoot it up in the air and everyone's fucked.

It's just that I get this image of giant cannons rising from the deep and shooting incalculatable amounts of CO2 into the air.  Because that's basically the image I'm supposed to get. And then I should be scared.  Really scared.  They think...
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I sense that the same forces promoting the C(atastrophe) part of CAGW are the behind the 'fear population growth' and all the rest of the 'sustainability' scammery.  And the scammary around that whole movement is intense.

Who are the climate terrorists? Can we launch a nuke?

Funny you should mention nukes.  Actually, if one researches it a bit, it seems that the movement got it's start back in the day with a handful of independent (of one another), smart, and active philosophical folks being paranoid about global thermonuclear war (as were many people back in the day.)  The theory goes that if there is only one government such a catastrophe become nearly impossible.

What happened since these (now forgotten) philosophical folks got the ball rolling is that many people have seen the implementation as a great way to achieve all manners of objectives.  At  the higher levels it is mostly about 'inventory and control'.  Through accident and design (mostly the latter) the implementation has also been a way for a great number of people to line their pockets.  That is the engine that keeps the train moving and it works right down to the lowly DEQ bitch and her fellow local watershed council engineering firm owner scammers who tried to fuck me.

That's my thesis so far in my analysis of things.  One can see what the trigger for finally getting around to trying to understanding this topic.

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I sense that the same forces promoting the C(atastrophe) part of CAGW are the behind the 'fear population growth' and all the rest of the 'sustainability' scammery.  And the scammary around that whole movement is intense.

Who are the climate terrorists? Can we launch a nuke?
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Here's a thought..

If we picture the earth as a huge living creature, would it's immune system not try to cure itself? For instance, a human, when becoming sick, body temperature will raise, and the immune system will do its best to fight any disease.

So is it unthinkable that earth is a self regulative system that will try to fix itself? From what we can see from natural disasters, man cannot combat these at all, the power of nature is beyond and above everything.

If the "immune system" of earth really fired up, and there was extreme weather and extreme natural disasters all over the planet, lots of humans would die, and if enough humans dies, there would not be that much of a need for all the things we produce, and not as many polluters.

Or perhaps a more likely scenario is that we skew everything, and just slowly die off, as we no longer can sustain ourselves.
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Amazing. This thread is actually breaking media conditioning lol.
legendary
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OK, I finally got off my ass and started studying this thing.  I've always been of the opinion that human activity is certainly impacting CO2 ratios and probably is making some contribution to global tempertures, but in scientific and engineering terms this is not a very meaningful thing.  Magnitudes are everything.  I've also long been of the opinion that the environmentalist side is leveraging things to achieve semi-non-related objectives (just as I have that there are special interests on the other side as well.)  But until I study things I won't know how much.
....


Not many people actually study it, and few of those succeed in understanding.  The deck is stacked, and not just for political reasons.  It's basically difficult for the human mind to take a random walk data pattern, separate the underlying trends, and then not fall prey to thinking he can essentially use linear projection to predict the future.    I think at that level it's a similar problem to predicting the stock market.  It is fundamentally chaotic behavior.

Don't forget basic meteorology, 101 style college level.  99% of the people talking like they know climate don't even know weather.

LOL...

Even before weather (which both sides seem to use unfairly sometimes) there is a simple framing of the actual problem.  Does water vapor act as a positive or negative feedback.

The fact that pretty much all of the models are proving quite wrong so far on the 'panic now' side indicates to me that the fraud on the 'warmist' side is significant.

Before I got to studying things I heard that 'oh, the heat is going into the ocean, but it will come bubbling back up so don't worry, it's still appropriate to panic.'

More recently I heard that 'well, it's a small aerosol issue that we neglected, but the catastrophe will pop right back to where the models predict once that little glitch burns off.'

I sense that the same forces promoting the C(atastrophe) part of CAGW are the behind the 'fear population growth' and all the rest of the 'sustainability' scammery.  And the scammary around that whole movement is intense.

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