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Topic: Reference topic: Why are these members excluded on trust lists? - page 3. (Read 4210 times)

legendary
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1. Hello LoyceV, Can I speak in this thread if the post will not include any FUD, but only arguments?
Of course.

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2. Can you tell me how to add a feedback clipping? I can't add a screenshot so I'm looking for another option to post an example feedback.
You can embed images once you're Jr. Member. Make 2 more posts and you're there.
full member
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1. Hello LoyceV, Can I speak in this thread if the post will not include any FUD, but only arguments?
2. Can you tell me how to add a feedback clipping? I can't add a screenshot so I'm looking for another option to post an example feedback.
legendary
Activity: 3290
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
legendary
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Update:
~Rmcdermott927
Left negative feedback for an opinion, then left the forum. I'll remove my exclusion when they come back and remove the feedback.
I think this one deserves more of an explanation. A week ago, they left this feedback:
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The Reference link doesn't provide any evidence for this opinion.

Even if this would be true, it goes directly against what I consider correct use of the Trust system and it's a clear violation of theymos' guidelines:
The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.
(click the quote for the full text)

On the same day Rmcdermott927 left negative feedback, he posted this:
Leaving the forum until some of the trash is cleaned up, if I ever return, which is unlikely I will sign a message.
Rmcdermott927 was on DT1 with Strength (0), my exclusion removed them from DT1. I will remove my exclusion if they come back and remove the negative feedback for suchmoon's opinion.



It's okay not to like someone! It's not okay to leave negative feedback for it!
To quote myself:
Be the bigger man!
With great power comes great responsibility (source unknown). Especially when you're on DefaultTrust (or if you want to be on DefaultTrust in the future), you shouldn't (ab)use that power by leaving (negative) feedback when someone does something you don't like. Your Sent feedback is what others use to judge your judgement.
If someone on the internet is mean to you: boo fucking hoo! Use the Ignore button, and forget about them.



Update:
~OgNasty
Threatens me by PM to give negative feedback because he doesn't like my post.
I don't consider this correct use of the Trust system, and neither does theymos judging by his quote a bit higher in this post.
I would like to post his PM, but this is generally considered not done so I won't.
Update: OgNasty didn't take long to retaliate, which is quite funny considering he had me included up to 5 days ago. Just like most of his Trust exclusions are mutual. Funny how stating facts makes him not like my judgement.
legendary
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Update:
This guy has been leaving fake negative feedback to several users. He's currently on DT2, but doesn't belong there:

New week and they have distrusted seemingly everyone who has recently distrusted them:


(and I'm sure it hasn't gone unnoticed that a certain person has removed their entire trust/distrust lists since being relegated to the second division...)
legendary
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Was it your first time? I mean getting DT neg trust.
Yes, but he's not in my Trust network so I didn't get a heart attack.

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Seriously though, I would suggest ~willi9974 while we're at it.
I've seen his name pop up more often, I'll think about it.
legendary
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This guy has been leaving fake negative feedback to several users. He's currently on DT2, but doesn't belong there:

Was it your first time? I mean getting DT neg trust. Happens to the best of us Smiley

Seriously though, I would suggest ~willi9974 while we're at it.
legendary
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Update:
This guy has been leaving fake negative feedback to several users. He's currently on DT2, but doesn't belong there:
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Trust list for: Gyrsur (Trust: +1 / =0 / -2) (315 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h)
Back to index

Gyrsur's judgement is Trusted by:
1. willi9974 (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. o_solo_miner (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (239 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. psycodad (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (287 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~Gyrsur's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Removed owlcatz (Trust: +50 / =0 / -1) (419 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. DarkStar_ (Trust: +53 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (37) 1476 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. sabotag3x (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (725 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. JollyGood (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (798 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
legendary
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legendary
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legendary
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as a means to protect these accounts from being used and abused by any hackers.
Although that's one of the reasons I don't use my normal account on my mobile, I don't think it's very likely a hacker would abuse my mobile account to leave feedback. If it would be compromised, it's more likely to be used to ask for a loan. But I don't mind the exclusion of course Smiley

My LoyceBot's security is probably much worse: I use it on a VPS.
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I figure this is the right thread to post this.  

I am distrusting these "mobile alts" from my own mobile alt account as a means to protect these accounts from being used and abused by any hackers.  This is not an indictment on the users (some of whom were on my main alt's distrust list up until today) and does not cover all "known alts", rather, just "mobile alts" of some well known users.  Given this "mobile alt" of mine is not on DT and does not "trust" any user (and has only made a dozen or so trust feedback posts) these "distrusts" hold no weight on their own.

The users are:

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~DarkStar_alt
~DiamondCardzAlt
~dragonvsandroid
~fullypak-alt
~kenzawak_alt
~kenzawak_alt2
~LoyceMobile
~monbuxalt
~pam_alt_
~Philipma1957cellphone
~theymos_away
~V8s Road Warrior

This list may grow over time.

Feel free to distrust my own mobile alt: https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2640757.html

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~Timelord2o67
legendary
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"Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse."
this is not true

You're missing the point. You can add anyone to your trust list for any reason. Just man up and accept the fact that some users might see your self-serving actions as harmful to the trust system. You think LoyceV is wrong? Great. I don't think you'll change his mind but feel free to exclude him and tell your friends to do so as well. Which in turn might be seen as a bullshit retaliatory action given that LoyceV is a smart reasonable person, but hey it's your God-given right to be an idiot who thinks they can earn trust via some made-up technicality. Ooh you didn't include some backscratchers, do you want a cookie for that?

i know why suchmoon and other morons support this attack cos they are morons

Either that or people just don't trust you. We'll never know.
legendary
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Thanks for being (a bit) on-topic. You're allowed to have (and post) your opinion on this Tongue

First:
corruption (definition from Google):
Someone on DT1 is targeting Lauda. This morning, Lauda was at +33 / =6 / -4, now it's +32 / =6 / -11.
https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx shows that peloso (DT1 strength (2)) has added many users to DT2 today, and several of those have left Lauda negative feedback in the past.

It could be the real target is someone else (or multiple users), but I guess Lauda is the most likely scenario.

Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse.
I'll leave it to the reader to decide who's right. I expect only "the usual suspects" from your own local board to believe your narrative because for some reason they don't dare criticise their fellow citizens.

thanks loycev to allow me
i know and sure you are not bad man and even good man but a lilibit corruptioneer
and you lie a lilbit )

first as i explaned i not attacked fucking lauda) i just added some people and nothing else
its not my blame that some of they lauda's enemy
also i added some peoples that support lauda but you not want see they
i can understand why you support this corruption attack to  me
i know why suchmoon and other morons support this attack cos they are morons
but you are a fair and wise man for what you need it ?

second
"Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse."
this is not true
because this

He is also adding people to boost his positive score (UserCoin, Mad_Max, aliborn, GAMORA, sashapan) users who previously have given him positive ratings.

why you ask only about this 5 users?
i have other users that gave me positive ratings ( |Admiral| Wananavu99 ancientcoins
UPPEX Thule Kingf1sher villain_Mr.Burns )  why i didnt add they?
why you not ask about yogg, LFC_Bitcoin, The Pharmacist, Lafu, JollyGood and others that distrusted me but they in my trust list WHY ?
LFC_Bitcoin gave me stupid neg but he it my trust list WHY?
so wassup ?


you don’t want to see a mass attack on me but you want to see me a trus abuser

this is a biased attitude and this is not fair

also you can find users that distrusted me last week making vendetta
legendary
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There is already a race attack going on clearly on Turkish members of the forum and from LoyceV's comments it is pretty clear they are trying to boost the same propaganda. There is more behind the story afterall.
I expected more from hacker1001101001. The only onces making it about "race" (I think they mean nationality) is those Turkish members. They only care for cases that involve Turkish members, and when that happens, they all jump on it. Maybe GazetaBitcoin can add this to his Gangs of BitcoinTalk.



i exluded you because you support corruption
Thanks for being (a bit) on-topic. You're allowed to have (and post) your opinion on this Tongue

First:
corruption (definition from Google):
Someone on DT1 is targeting Lauda. This morning, Lauda was at +33 / =6 / -4, now it's +32 / =6 / -11.
https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx shows that peloso (DT1 strength (2)) has added many users to DT2 today, and several of those have left Lauda negative feedback in the past.

It could be the real target is someone else (or multiple users), but I guess Lauda is the most likely scenario.

Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse.
I'll leave it to the reader to decide who's right. I expect only "the usual suspects" from your own local board to believe your narrative because for some reason they don't dare criticise their fellow citizens.
legendary
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Another thing I've noticed is the complete lack of arguments.

arguments ?
you even not want see arguments

arguments was in my case but you ignored it cos its not legit arguments for you
you just want that

many of them are like wolwoo and Vispilio - lying shit-stirring demagogues.

may be like as croatian people you want to say?


Yep. Some people don't seem to appreciate this topic is made for transparency. I'm willing to explain to anyone why they're excluded, and I'm very curious why some users have excluded me. I've invited them to post it here, but it should be more than "you're racist", lol.

i exluded you because you support corruption
legendary
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Sadly the same group of highly questionable members always use that racist allegation as a tool to deflect. It was only a matter of time before they started going after other users. As soon as a comment is made that shows them in a bad light they attack and leave negative trust en mass.

DragonDance quite clearly is part of the merit abuse and fake trust circle group headed by a minority of members from the Turkish language board. I have left appropriate feedback for him - thank you examplens  Smiley

And look even low-life members such as hacker1001101001 managed to post propaganda as he is in total cahoots with the army of trolls:

I beg to differ. The only lesson here is that nationalism doesn't work in a place like this.

BTW LoyceV didn't attack a country or a nation or a race, he commented on the actions of some Turkish users here. In return he was subjected to childish personal attacks. This doesn't help whatever point you're trying to make, it just exposes your inability to handle certain topics.

There is already a race attack going on clearly on Turkish members of the forum and from LoyceV's comments it is pretty clear they are trying to boost the same propaganda. There is more behind the story afterall.




Well done @JollyGood
you foresaw perfectly well what would happen, I can't believe what all this is turning into. only intrigue and gossip.
Check this: [Right to Respond] Disgusting Bigot LoyceV
self-moderated topic from DragonDance (he is not on your list Wink )
legendary
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Not sure which thread to post this to. Originally I thought of the DT1 and DT2 members who have negative feedback (or are banned) - thread, but given it's on topic for the last few days of discussion, I thought I'd added it here.

This makes no sense at all:

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The reference used to counter the negative is: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52890824 which is the following investigation:

[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg52890824#msg52890824 date=1572151550]
3 Accounts Connected:

Zz, mhanbostanci, altcoin_trader,

[color=#0a80b1]Proof:[/color]

Wallet [77c8711960] contains just four wallet addresses:

Code:
1mhandh8J4uJx18sHhgeBJWZLKxMnuqGv 0.00022383 259 549263
19Aw9JN3ypHDrd9AA1LyYJjaTWHHGDhhDP 0.          83 467408
1GU2gN5s8ZWNjLto7JoMycMNGwpyPtzARr 0.          33 397713
1JZYPRKap4hTQm9dQQMWhWeivkSo5Y1iUT 0.          17 420332
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Six months and fifteen days later, I read this on the Known Alts thread: (it's the reference given by the negative trust feedback giver) AFAIK it is the first time the accused has responded to the proof I posted in October last.

[quote author=mhanbostanci link=topic=2544574.msg54405620#msg54405620 date=1589160417]
[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg52890824#msg52890824 date=1572151550]
3 Accounts Connected:
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unfounded claims
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zz and altcoin_trader are different people I know personally.  This is known in the Turkish forum and it is no secret.
You can query this situation from Turkish users you know.
The negative feedback you provided is unfounded and misleading.
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I would like to think that clearly my work is sound if a person can contradict themselves by saying triple check my work and a month later counter someone else by referencing my work as proof of the counter.

??

I feel that the negative feedback given to me and the corresponding "counter" are a part of an (un)civil war being waged by factions within a certain local community.  Their actions are untrustworthy as they are using my reputation as their field of conflict when attacking each-other.




[quote author=LoyceV link=topic=5098623.msg54417735#msg54417735 date=1589303496]
[quote author=examplens link=topic=5098623.msg54417644#msg54417644 date=1589302711]
Well done @JollyGood
you foresaw perfectly well what would happen[/quote]
Yep. Some people don't seem to appreciate this topic is made for transparency. I'm willing to explain to anyone why they're excluded, and I'm very curious why some users have excluded me. I've invited them to post it here, but it should be more than "you're racist", lol.
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Well... not quite the first person... (note the merit giver)
legendary
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...PLEASE ADD ME DİSTRUST. 

@theymos @dooglus @gmaxwell @OgNasty @mprep @cyrus @Welsh @ibminer @by rallier @Lydian @LoyceV @DarkStar_ @bobita @Vispilio @wolwoo @TECSHARE @Foxpup @suchmoon and all dt1 members. Please add me. Thank you.
,,

iwrote before(12/2019)
"gospodin bla bla bla" i'm really bored, enough!
legendary
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Well done @JollyGood
you foresaw perfectly well what would happen
Yep. Some people don't seem to appreciate this topic is made for transparency. I'm willing to explain to anyone why they're excluded, and I'm very curious why some users have excluded me. I've invited them to post it here, but it should be more than "you're racist", lol.
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