Topic: Reference topic: Why are these members excluded on trust lists? - page 4. (Read 4137 times)

Well done @JollyGood
you foresaw perfectly well what would happen, I can't believe what all this is turning into. only intrigue and gossip.
Check this: [Right to Respond] Disgusting Bigot LoyceV
self-moderated topic from DragonDance (he is not on your list )

LOL. This has been going on outside of Switzerland for months, I'm surprised it took so long to get to you. I have excluded probably a couple dozen Turkish users who keep getting into DT1/DT2 despite being utterly unfit for it. BTW Blacknavy is one of the more moderate ones... many of them are like wolwoo and Vispilio - lying shit-stirring demagogues.

I propose adding this user: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/captainowl-2756407. He is giving fake vouches (trust farming) to wolwoo and Kalemder. Therefore he is actively supporting and involved in all of this.

Is this a Turkish thing or something? I've seen it from many different Turkish forum members: they trust my judgement, until I post the smallest thing that doesn't fit their narrative. When that happens, they switch from "included" to "excluded".
Another thing I've noticed is the complete lack of arguments. That's what civilized people do when something comes up: they discuss it. The most vocal part of the Turkish local board instantly starts calling names and pulls the race card, which can only mean they have no arguments. It's also funny that the Turkish themselves made this about their "race" (really, a race based on nationality?), and it's something I haven't seen from any other local board. The rest of the developed world left tribal nationalism a long time ago.

Now, please stay ontopic. You're free to discuss why you're excluded those 134 members.

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Be careful LoyceV because you stand the risk of being attacked en mass by the mob from the local community board and those that are hanging on to their every post because they are suffering from an attention seeking disorder.

Many are part of the gang but here are some that have scammed their way on to DT at the moment:

   peloso
    Vispilio
    wolwoo
    Blacknavy
    gospodin


They just might play the race card against you and might create thread after thread spreading propaganda against you - beware of the backlash.

Wolwoo's fake negative feedback made me look into the DT2-member that left him positive feedback. I've excluded him:
~vycl87

He has included several users who shouldn't be on DT (see Trust list for: vycl87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-05-09_Sat_05.05h)), and left positive feedback for what looks like nationalism on their local board. I don't think this positive feedback to Trust abusers (not all of the receivers) should be on DT.

Here is what I just posted in the other thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54372358

At some stage something needs to be done to tackle this issue but will it be down to theymos or down to DT1 users getting together to remove those that are abusing the system?

Top of this page - Seriously, why throw your arms in the air now when the evidence was before you six months ago?

Update:

I have added Foxpup u=55384 to my distrust list after finding out that he distrusts me on the basis I trust "actmyname" - one of the investigator's in the Known Alts thread - essentially retaliatory distrust of me by him.

24 hours after Foxpup claimed "nothing personal" in DT distrusting me he has now created a FUD thread causing me to gain distrusts - which just goes to show there is cause and effect in all his actions.

*edit* and in related news, I have also added this user (Steamtyme) to my trust list for this gem of wisdom.

Happy New Year to everybody reading this post.

This is an excellent thread, I only came across it just now. I decided to highlight this one particular user from the OP because I made reference to him without mentioning his name yesterday in my rank thread in the section headed "MERIT ABUSERS & FAKE TRUST":

JollyGood: an amazing journey becoming Hero member rank on 1st January 2020

Merit abuse and fake trust are a new tool used by some users to cheat their way to DT status. An associate of the user you mentioned in the OP (wolwoo) who it seems was DT1 and it seems part of their merit abuse racket even sent a PM to another user threatening him with negative Trust if various feedback was not removed. This type of conduct is unacceptable in any walk of life and should never be tolerated in this forum.



Now this is a very good idea Loyce. Maybe going self-moderated in some circumstances is essential.

I started a couple of threads recently and they seem to get flooded by one particular signature campaign which makes payment to participants for every post and I prefer they were excluded from my threads so I will probably have to go down the self-moderated route in future too.

EDIT: I added the name wolwoo to my thread OP JollyGood: an amazing journey becoming Hero member rank on 1st January 2020

Week 47 Peloso adds 150 UID's to his "I trust" list taking their tally to 176.

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Week 48 of LoyceV's trust list Peloso added 110 UID's to his "I trust" list taking the tally to 287 (including three who are banned taking that tally to four banned he trusts)

At the same time all three distrusts are removed:

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Week 49 Peloso then removes 22 UID's (including all four banned) taking their trust list back down to 265

At the same time Peloso is hustling The Pharmacist to remove their distrust, Peloso has possably been pressing the flesh elsewhere:


But has gained one in the process:

Peloso has contacted me twice in the past couple of weeks regarding removal of my exclusion, and I honestly don't even remember why I have him excluded.  The same could be said about some other members I have as inclusions or exclusions, and it's basically my absentmindedness flaring up.  I did have a look at his feedback, however, and I'm pretty sure my exclusion is justified.  I'll have to take a closer look, but not now.  My eyes and mind are fatigued.

Gee, I was just going to comment that I was excluding you from my trust list as well when i noticed that you'd posted that.  Reason: you're quite obviously mentally unstable and if you were ever to stay on any level of DT, it would be a disgrace to the system.  My exclusion of you might not have a powerful effect, but it's one that I can comfortably live with.  Bye bye, princess.

I've always tried to be very conservative when leaving feedback and when including/excluding users from my Trust list.
Today, I made my first DT1-exclusion:

For the above reasons, I ask all other users to consider excluding ~wolwoo too.

As a reference: this is what I consider correct use of the Trust system: LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system.

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I've deleted wolwoo's off-topic posts. This topic isn't meant to just post a Trust list. Wolwoo is welcome to post again if he can add his reasons for the exclusions:
I can't wait to see "retaliation" as a reason instead of valid thoughtful reasons that are worthy of being on DT.

Another update:

Bump with a new exclusion:

Please stay on-topic in my thread

Archived for future reference...


Kind of creepy how you're stalking me in threads you have never posted in before.

Never the less, I look forward to @theymos reviewing my evidence and making a determination.

(With apologies to @LoyceV for the intrusion by this person into your thread)

I did not beg for merits; I applied to become a merit source following the recommended forum procedure, for very specific reasons that are clearly beyond your intellectual capabilities to figure out.

The disgusting hateful way you typically construct your messages should instantly disqualify you from any trust list as a dishonorable human being @Timelord2067, but I will respond one final time for the benefit of valuable and intellectual members of this forum who might be reading.

I give merits to El-Cezeri, Kalemder & gospodin because these are some of the most active and helpful members on the Turkish forums.

I asked Kalemder & El-Cezeri "are you the same person", they said no, but that they were related and shared the same house, even the same PC sometimes (actual quotes for this are all available on the Turkish section and in my post history).

Are they the same guy? I don't know I did not investigate them like a detective. What I do know is both of them come up with an extra-ordinary number of high quality posts which most people on the Turkish section love and engage with, but I still merit them 50% of what they would otherwise get from me in the name of fairness and equal opportunity to all local participants.

PHI1618 on the other hand  is a special case; as a matter of fact I'm the guy who disclosed the giant merit circle jerking that went on for about a year in the Turkish forums led by PHI1618, and ever since I found out about it with good evidence, I have not given him a single merit, and will not do so out of my general principles of justice and meritocracy.



a special appeal to @theymos and other honorable DT1 members:

this guy @Timelord2067 pursues a provably false medieval inquisition against the Turkish section day and night now, raises lies and false accusations about me in multiple parts of the forum, and I hope you will agree with me that it's a total waste of time to have to humor every amount of unbelievable deranged lunacy this guy serves on a daily basis to protect one's reputation on a respectable forum like this,

so I ask you what is the procedure in the forum against psychos like this, so they finally understand they fucked up and take their insane ideas elsewhere ?..




Special Edit upon LoyceV's request

I'm excluding user @Timelord2067 from all of my past, present and future lists, and I want to make it crystal clear that it's not based on retaliation, but based on the very tangible observation that this guy brings a level of crazy to the game that one wouldn't expect to encounter even in Turkish state asylums for the clinically insane...

My distrust list has been paired down considerably since my previous post and now looks like this:


All the rest that were removed are mostly inactive alts or, have little or no merits.  Let that one sink in for a moment...

The new additions appear to be part of an attempt to get an unknown user into the DT1 with Vispilio on 250+ merits after begging for merits he then didn't hand out but did give dozens of merits out in bulk to El-Cezeri, Kalemder, PHI1618 and gospodin which makes up half of the ten needed for an unknown user to be voted into DT1 similar to the 550+ merits wasted trying to get someone onto DT1 a few weeks back.