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October 08, 2019, 11:24:11 AM
#45
but he might have mercy for a time.

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He supposed to show since I am going to masjid on every friday to pray Jumma. Smiley

Well, good. You are doing some of the things of Alla wants, right? So, Allah will have mercy. But, really learn your religion a bit more, because if you don't, you might be forgetting something. And Allah's mercy might come to an end.

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Anything will be forgiven in the Allah's court if you ask for Dua and do your prayers.
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October 08, 2019, 08:55:58 AM
#44
but he might have mercy for a time.

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He supposed to show since I am going to masjid on every friday to pray Jumma. Smiley

Well, good. You are doing some of the things of Alla wants, right? So, Allah will have mercy. But, really learn your religion a bit more, because if you don't, you might be forgetting something. And Allah's mercy might come to an end.

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October 08, 2019, 08:36:54 AM
#43
but he might have mercy for a time.

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He supposed to show since I am going to masjid on every friday to pray Jumma. Smiley
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October 08, 2019, 08:35:33 AM
#42
It's easy in today's world to blame Islam of backwards savagery against women, children, etc. Yet this is still protected by the left?

Why? When at the same time Christianity is under attack in the modern political and social climate. Other than the obvious propagation of pedophilia by the Catholic church, Christians' rape and pillaging days are over for the most part.

Other than instinctual human greed, religion has caused more conflict in human history than anything else. Why do we still need it? Are there any merits left?

I understand a common argument here may be that it instills fear in common folk and helps to provide them a reason to behave but we shouldn't need the fear of deities smiting us to act as a normal citizen and respect others' rights. You can also be a hopeful human being without religion. This is not a debate of "not all the religious folk are bad eggs" the debate here is why it still exists in any form in the year 2019.

Well if this isn't about 'not all the religious folk are bad eggs', then it's about people who need to believe in something, and the exact year doesn't matter. Some human thing gives individual internal support. After all, there's a fear of death.

Despite all the occasions, even the horrible ones.

Hope in people IS a natural thing, because we all recognize that we have been given this life for free, and so why shouldn't it remain? Or why shouldn't there even be more and better?

Yet, informal religion has a monopoly in the lives of everyone, because nobody knows for-a-fact what is going to happen... even in the next minute. After all, walking-down-the-street/in-the-elevator/driving/whatever, there might be some suicide extremist headed right for you, and you will die. We don't know. We live in hope, according to our personal, informal religion.

religion
[ ri-lij-uh n ]

noun

...

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

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October 08, 2019, 08:27:23 AM
#41
Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first. Cheesy

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

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Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.

Now I am shocked... and absolutely scared for you... talking against Allah like that. Don't you realize that he is all-powerful?

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Allah is not going to assasinate me,there are some extremist will do that in the name of Allah,so they also same like everyone so no need to bow for them.

Now you are REALLY showing your anti-Islam stance.

Allah doesn't work through direct zaps most of the time. After all, hasn't he set all things up in such a way that they work together in this life? The extremists, who are following the dictates of the Koran and Hadiths ARE the way that Allah might assassinate you Muslim hypocrite. Or, you might fall off your bicycle and break your neck. Allah has a million ways that he can do away with you... but he might have mercy for a time.

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October 08, 2019, 06:58:44 AM
#40
It's easy in today's world to blame Islam of backwards savagery against women, children, etc. Yet this is still protected by the left?

Why? When at the same time Christianity is under attack in the modern political and social climate. Other than the obvious propagation of pedophilia by the Catholic church, Christians' rape and pillaging days are over for the most part.

Other than instinctual human greed, religion has caused more conflict in human history than anything else. Why do we still need it? Are there any merits left?

I understand a common argument here may be that it instills fear in common folk and helps to provide them a reason to behave but we shouldn't need the fear of deities smiting us to act as a normal citizen and respect others' rights. You can also be a hopeful human being without religion. This is not a debate of "not all the religious folk are bad eggs" the debate here is why it still exists in any form in the year 2019.

Well if this isn't about 'not all the religious folk are bad eggs', then it's about people who need to believe in something, and the exact year doesn't matter. Some human thing gives individual internal support. After all, there's a fear of death.

Despite all the occasions, even the horrible ones.
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October 08, 2019, 05:02:35 AM
#39
Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first. Cheesy

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

Cool
Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.

Now I am shocked... and absolutely scared for you... talking against Allah like that. Don't you realize that he is all-powerful?

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Allah is not going to assasinate me,there are some extremist will do that in the name of Allah,so they also same like everyone so no need to bow for them.

There are always extremists who think they are speaking in the name of God but God is our Heavenly Parent and love and we all are His children and brothers and sisters.
If God was truly asked, there would be no killing and violence in his name, and we will have religion of peace.
The problem is that many so-called religious leaders interpret the scriptures in their own way and claim to speak in the name of God.
Because of this we have religious wars and conflicts, not because of God.
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October 07, 2019, 11:31:37 PM
#38
Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first. Cheesy

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

Cool
Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.

Now I am shocked... and absolutely scared for you... talking against Allah like that. Don't you realize that he is all-powerful?

Cool
Allah is not going to assasinate me,there are some extremist will do that in the name of Allah,so they also same like everyone so no need to bow for them.
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October 07, 2019, 06:39:29 PM
#37
It's easy in today's world to blame Islam of backwards savagery against women, children, etc. Yet this is still protected by the left?

Why? When at the same time Christianity is under attack in the modern political and social climate. Other than the obvious propagation of pedophilia by the Catholic church, Christians' rape and pillaging days are over for the most part.

Other than instinctual human greed, religion has caused more conflict in human history than anything else. Why do we still need it? Are there any merits left?

I understand a common argument here may be that it instills fear in common folk and helps to provide them a reason to behave but we shouldn't need the fear of deities smiting us to act as a normal citizen and respect others' rights. You can also be a hopeful human being without religion. This is not a debate of "not all the religious folk are bad eggs" the debate here is why it still exists in any form in the year 2019.

For me, I don't believe with religion but still I respect others. What was important for me was Spirituality. With this idea, you are not being controlled by norms but instead you will decide what is right or wrong and everything was based on your experiences in life. The problem with religion is that some of them are arguing with others because they have different beliefs. Thats nonsense actually. First of all both of you are with different religion so that you have different belief.
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October 07, 2019, 09:44:30 AM
#36
^^^ The only reason God is bringing progress to the corners of the planet is so that knowledge of Him and Jesus salvation can come to all people.

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By that logic how are there godless people who are intelligent and contribute to human progress around the globe?

God is not a pre-requisite to knowledge and improving human quality of life.

Here's a question.. what's your opinion on the legacy of Mother teresa?
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October 07, 2019, 09:21:37 AM
#35
^^^ The only reason God is bringing progress to the corners of the planet is so that knowledge of Him and Jesus salvation can come to all people.

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October 07, 2019, 05:05:15 AM
#34
Progress is not yet in all corners of our planet, but for now, people will turn to some local creatures for a long time.
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October 06, 2019, 04:20:40 PM
#33
Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first. Cheesy

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

Cool
Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.

Now I am shocked... and absolutely scared for you... talking against Allah like that. Don't you realize that he is all-powerful?

Cool

It's true. Apparently to stand up to those teachings and the prophet are a death wish. One of many examples, but have we forgotten this?

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

An example of zealotry in its purest form. Satire leading to multiple murders.

I'll spend my last breath defending against nonsense like this.

A true romantic! But... even Lawrence of Arabia was assassinated, though few people realize it.

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October 06, 2019, 04:03:44 PM
#32
Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first. Cheesy

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

Cool
Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.

Now I am shocked... and absolutely scared for you... talking against Allah like that. Don't you realize that he is all-powerful?

Cool

It's true. Apparently to stand up to those teachings and the prophet are a death wish. One of many examples, but have we forgotten this?

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

An example of zealotry in its purest form. Satire leading to multiple murders.

I'll spend my last breath defending against nonsense like this.
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October 06, 2019, 02:48:16 PM
#31
Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first. Cheesy

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

Cool
Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.

Now I am shocked... and absolutely scared for you... talking against Allah like that. Don't you realize that he is all-powerful?

Cool
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October 06, 2019, 10:31:08 AM
#30
Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first. Cheesy

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

Cool
Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.
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October 06, 2019, 10:01:01 AM
#29
Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first. Cheesy

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

Cool
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October 06, 2019, 07:34:14 AM
#28

don't ever denigrate other people's religion, in my country all people are free to embrace religion in accordance with their respective beliefs.
in the teachings of religion there is not the slightest teaching that teaches violence, on the contrary religion is made to make people free from damage.


If you don't believe the same things that others do, why respect their beliefs? Rather, respect the people, that they are people. But don't respect their wrong beliefs. If you do, you are starting to change yours into wrongs ones.

Islam is one of the few religions that teaches violence and peace mixed. The trick is to separate the two, and see what it is all about... who is to be treated peacefully, and who is to be treated violently. If you haven't read through this thread, and found the link to Muslim violence directives in their religion, then click here http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

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October 06, 2019, 05:32:36 AM
#27
People need structure for life and for the most part, religion has fulfilled that role. As long as they keep it private I wouldn't mind. However I think the secular state should pursue those that use religion for harm (pedophile clerics, extremists inciting violence) and not let them hide behind "separation of Church and State".

It's kind of confusing sometimes since there are several interpretations of islam's teachings. Some moderate muslim can really convince you that islam is not about jihad and hate towards non-believers. I've come across some of these muslims and they're one of the most tolerant group of people i've ever encountered. And then there are the extremists who, as well all know, take the teachings of the Quran way too literally without giving ground.

Meh, wouldn't trust even "moderates" with the whole taqqiya thing floating about. You can never really be sure if they are telling you the truth when you ask them anything related to their religion.

You hit the nail on the head here. I understand the structure of life portion of the debate but I don't see the need for religious beliefs to enforce that. To each his own I suppose. I personally don't require religion as a form of structure but I can see where many others would (maybe poor quality of living, lower intellect, whatever)

Quietly practiced it's not a big deal. When others are violated as a result that's where I have a problem. Even the annoyance of JWs knocking on my door is enough to get me fired up sometimes. Pretty common occurence where I'm from. Do not come to my house and try to push your beliefs upon me. If we want to play that game I will go around knocking on their doors asking if they've heard of the gospel of bitcoin.

Unfortunately there are many people who want to dominate others. They see their religion as something superior that must be imposed on others.

Which is why I'd be wary of "moderates". They may "genuinely" not agree with the methods of the fundamentalists but they have no problem with the end result.

Found this in my recommendations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHC6x367GMc  Guy is still quite religious but I still do agree that Islam is a threat. Sure there are still militant Christians but many Christian country has more or less become quite tolerant about most things. The same cannot be said of Islam.

don't ever denigrate other people's religion, in my country all people are free to embrace religion in accordance with their respective beliefs.
in the teachings of religion there is not the slightest teaching that teaches violence, on the contrary religion is made to make people free from damage.
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October 05, 2019, 12:55:36 PM
#26
People need structure for life and for the most part, religion has fulfilled that role. As long as they keep it private I wouldn't mind. However I think the secular state should pursue those that use religion for harm (pedophile clerics, extremists inciting violence) and not let them hide behind "separation of Church and State".

It's kind of confusing sometimes since there are several interpretations of islam's teachings. Some moderate muslim can really convince you that islam is not about jihad and hate towards non-believers. I've come across some of these muslims and they're one of the most tolerant group of people i've ever encountered. And then there are the extremists who, as well all know, take the teachings of the Quran way too literally without giving ground.

Meh, wouldn't trust even "moderates" with the whole taqqiya thing floating about. You can never really be sure if they are telling you the truth when you ask them anything related to their religion.

You hit the nail on the head here. I understand the structure of life portion of the debate but I don't see the need for religious beliefs to enforce that. To each his own I suppose. I personally don't require religion as a form of structure but I can see where many others would (maybe poor quality of living, lower intellect, whatever)

Quietly practiced it's not a big deal. When others are violated as a result that's where I have a problem. Even the annoyance of JWs knocking on my door is enough to get me fired up sometimes. Pretty common occurence where I'm from. Do not come to my house and try to push your beliefs upon me. If we want to play that game I will go around knocking on their doors asking if they've heard of the gospel of bitcoin.

Unfortunately there are many people who want to dominate others. They see their religion as something superior that must be imposed on others.

Which is why I'd be wary of "moderates". They may "genuinely" not agree with the methods of the fundamentalists but they have no problem with the end result.

Found this in my recommendations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHC6x367GMc  Guy is still quite religious but I still do agree that Islam is a threat. Sure there are still militant Christians but many Christian country has more or less become quite tolerant about most things. The same cannot be said of Islam.
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