Topic: Religion of Peace? Why Religion At All - page 6. (Read 874 times)

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

If you don't believe the same things that others do, why respect their beliefs? Rather, respect the people, that they are people. But don't respect their wrong beliefs. If you do, you are starting to change yours into wrongs ones.

Islam is one of the few religions that teaches violence and peace mixed. The trick is to separate the two, and see what it is all about... who is to be treated peacefully, and who is to be treated violently. If you haven't read through this thread, and found the link to Muslim violence directives in their religion, then click here http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

don't ever denigrate other people's religion, in my country all people are free to embrace religion in accordance with their respective beliefs.
in the teachings of religion there is not the slightest teaching that teaches violence, on the contrary religion is made to make people free from damage.

Unfortunately there are many people who want to dominate others. They see their religion as something superior that must be imposed on others.

Which is why I'd be wary of "moderates". They may "genuinely" not agree with the methods of the fundamentalists but they have no problem with the end result.

Found this in my recommendations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHC6x367GMc  Guy is still quite religious but I still do agree that Islam is a threat. Sure there are still militant Christians but many Christian country has more or less become quite tolerant about most things. The same cannot be said of Islam.

Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first.

Since you didn't even speak to my point, you show that you don't understand Islam, except if you are applying the Islamic tenet of attempting to deceive those who are not Muslims. What I mean is, I agreed that you don't have to follow the orders of a cleric. In fact, you don't have to follow directives of anybody. We agree on that.

My point was, where will you stand when a cleric imposes laws on you to Jihad? What will you do when the cleric-obedient Muslims around you decide to obey the cleric and do Jihad? What will you do when they obey the cleric to Jihad against disobedient Muslims... who really aren't Muslims at all even though they say that they are? Got your guns ready? Are you ready to "Jihad" against the cleric and the obedient Muslims? 

You don't even seem to know that Islam law is whatever Muhammed dictated, except in areas that he didn't cover. Those areas are controlled by the Hadiths and other cleric writings of the past. But if they weren't covered there, then they are up to the current clerics. Only if none of the above are willing to adjudicate the correctness of what you are doing... only then are you free to do it. But be careful. Some clerics might adjudicate that you used your freedom incorrectly, and set their "faithful" Muslims on a trail of executing you.

People are not leaders, generally. They want "clerics" to show them the way. They will listen to their clerics. If you want to act with authority that is reasonably safe, you had better become a prominent cleric, who remains in good standing with fellow clerics. To do this, you had better study Islamic writings well.

And I don't say this for akram143 only. I say this as warning for all the non-Muslims as well as the so-called peaceful Muslims. There isn't any such thing as a peaceful Muslim. There are only ignorant Muslims, lying in wait without knowing it, to violently take the lives of people who are not Muslims, and for harshly correcting Muslims who are not ready for Jihad.

You hit the nail on the head here. I understand the structure of life portion of the debate but I don't see the need for religious beliefs to enforce that. To each his own I suppose. I personally don't require religion as a form of structure but I can see where many others would (maybe poor quality of living, lower intellect, whatever)

Quietly practiced it's not a big deal. When others are violated as a result that's where I have a problem. Even the annoyance of JWs knocking on my door is enough to get me fired up sometimes. Pretty common occurence where I'm from. Do not come to my house and try to push your beliefs upon me. If we want to play that game I will go around knocking on their doors asking if they've heard of the gospel of bitcoin.

This is not true though,you need to understand what is the real reason behind he married many women nor girls,if sexual satisfaction is the reason then he would married many virgins not the widows who is elder than him.So from this he wanted to impose the muslims to protect the widow from sexual abuse of perverts and that time period is highly unsafe for the women to live after her husband died even they will be killed before the burial as well.

They are just trying to satisfy their sexual and i mean no offense to anyone but i will say that the Prophet Mohammed wanting to marry more than a single wife is the main reason why he said that it was okay for a man of Islamic faith to marry more than one. This is no revelation from God but rather his own desire.

So cleric your mentioning is Prophet Muhammed? He is the one told muslims to follow five things and like I said there is no need to follow all the things told by anyone just beyourself and don't hurt others.If you want to go to heaven do more things than bad.

It's all about schooling. Young people are easily influenced and when young people are not allowed to interact freely and brainwashed towards some ideas, they carry it to their life.
Even if we ourselves feel like I'm Independent of any propaganda,  we all are to some extent influenced by our media and our society. The one and only solution is sharing ideas and experience without bias.

So, you stay nice and ignorant about Islam, because this allows you to be a Muslim (for what purpose, nobody can guess).

Then the cleric comes to you all and says, "Time for Jihad. Kill all the infidels around you."

You decide on peace, and disobey the cleric.

Then the cleric says, "All faithful Muslims, listen to me. Kill all the unfaithful Muslims who won't Jihad, because they are really against us."

Suddenly you are not a Muslim even though you have been telling yourself all along that you were. Or would you suddenly start becoming a real Muslim?

People need structure for life and for the most part, religion has fulfilled that role. As long as they keep it private I wouldn't mind. However I think the secular state should pursue those that use religion for harm (pedophile clerics, extremists inciting violence) and not let them hide behind "separation of Church and State".


Meh, wouldn't trust even "moderates" with the whole taqqiya thing floating about. You can never really be sure if they are telling you the truth when you ask them anything related to their religion.

Actually influencers changing the real fact into benefitable thing for them,trust me Islam taught these five things only to do be a complete Muslim.

Finally yes,"Live and let others live".

If only all other Muslims were like you and followed those points and nothing else. Most of them follow this strange belief that they are somehow better than other religions and that it's their purpose on Earth to make those non-believers believe in Allah. This is the foundation of everything wrong with Islam.

Live and let others live!

AFAIK,only we need to do 5 things to be a muslim.

so I am a muslim and I dont need to know all the things wrote on Quaran.

Like you said I don't have much belief in life after death and all I want to be a good one everyone.You can call it as your religion but I say it as my religion (Islam).

How can you be Islamic Muslim if you don't do what your religion says? Islam is peace towards other Muslims, and it might be some form of neutrality towards Christians and Jews, but it is violence to others. See https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx. Sounds like you don't even know what your religion is.

ISIS was not from the US. ISIS is Muslims living according to Islam - https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx - being helped by the US to live their religion rather than disobey... it like you are disobeying.

Terrorist = https://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorist?s=t.
Terrorism = https://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism

Anybody can be a terrorist. But when a religion formally includes terrorism as part of its doctrine, and a directive for its followers to do, then the whole religion is terrorism. Islam is terrorism (see the links, above).

Maybe you are not Muslim, but only think you are.



EDIT: Of course, since Islam says that a Muslim can be deceptive with the infidels of other religions, maybe you are living your religion, after all.

Terrorist : Islam people + Non Islam people

ISIS : From US to make some bad thing about Islam

I am a Muslim and I never taught about we need to kill someone,Islam is peace not violence...

This is true. I did not intend to paint all religious people as bad. There are extremists in almost every space. Any time you are using religious teachings to harm others in any way you're doing it wrong. Any time religious text tells you some subset or group of people are inferior to you, you're doing it wrong.

A point I want to make is that religion is not required to do good in this world. You can point to examples where specific churches may have helped with disaster relief or building homes for the poor, but we can accomplish these same feats without using religion as the justification to help others. Help other humans because you care about humanity not because some ancient text tells you to do so, or else.

Islam bad; Muslim hypocrite.

Islam tell Muslim kill other people - https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx. Islam bad.

Muslim hypocrite. Muslim say Islam good, but not obey Islam; not kill other people. Muslim want peace. Muslim not want Islam violence. Muslim not good Islam person. Muslim hypocrite.

ISIS good Muslim. ISIS obey Islam. ISIS do violence like Islam say to do.