how can you be sure it was a trustworthy sting operation if you dont know what it was about ?
I'm not 100% sure of anything, but it comes down to whether you believe that signed message of what Lauda intended to do, and I happen to believe that it wasn't an actual extortion attempt. And that image is of the assertion, not the proof, of harassment. What can I tell you? I don't have all the facts; I know QS is an escrow scammer; I know Lauda never had a history of scamming; thus I choose to think that thing is as Lauda said it is--an ill-advised sting operation.
Well you therefore choose to take the word of a PROVEN liar. I wonder why?
So you are not sure if he is guilty as charged with the extortion. You say you do not understand if there is wrongdoing with the escrow business?
Come on, be sensible. Is it not the case as you have admitted before that you feel you are loyal to Lauda?
Let's say okay you are just a broke ass bum that needs to spam under a sock puppet account for btc dust but have not done anything such as actual scamming or anything we can see that is actually dangerous to the forum.
However when combined with supporting and being loyal and supporting lauda even though you know he is a liar, you say you do not understand if there was wrong doing in the escrow debacle and you choose to believe him in the extortion scheme.
Then this all starts to look a lot worse for you. Hence you certainly need to be having a swift change of heart toward more trustworthy behaviour else it should be the duty of any honest member to see you removed from dt, merit source and indeed perhaps think of making sure it is difficult for you to remain on any sig campaigns since this would reflect poorly upon them and their project. I'm sure they would prefer to keep away from persons demonstrating untrustworthy tendencies.
This is simply the course of action that any honest and upright member should perhaps consider for those that are willingly and willfully supporting such persons.
I'm not actually any longer advocating any of you are banned but you must all be stripped of the powers you have observably abused and blacklisted or held back from inflicting more damage to innocent and honest members. I just hope this will be possible without ensuring that you also must all be cut off from damaging the image of the projects whom are perhaps unknowingly financing such blatant abusers and those that have acted in such an untrustworthy manner.
It is unfortunate that you all must be relieved of these powers since it is true that you have all put some effort into finding some scammers and have likely done some good deeds. If you had all been more reasonable and agreed to operate inside the mandate that Theymos just clarified to some degree ergo removing all red that is not directly related to scamming in some form and allowed fair representation on DT of some persons that are not part of your observable clique. Perhaps then an agreement could have been reached. Going forward from that only persons directly related to scamming would be tagged and things could perhaps start to improve.
Sadly I see no chance of such agreement taking place so it seems there will be a protracted war between those that are painted red but have not directly scammed or even been proven to be related to any scam and those that are not sticking to and have not stuck to the mandate theymos broadly laid out for DT.
There can be only 1 eventual winner from this position and that is the victims here because they really have nothing to lose. They can just keep turning up the heat and the intensity until something gives. So long as they operate within the rules and stick to presenting facts that are on topic and relevant and push for fairness and equality for all -- then there is no stopping them.
I can not speak for this union of persons here, however the sensible approach from current DT if they really care about the board is to undo their trust abuse, stop hogging all DT positions and allow others whom have done nothing untrustworthy ever (something they themselves can not claim even) and get on with finding real scammers and scams.
They will not do it so they will end up losing but the heat will need to be turned up under them. Many of them are sig dependent as we can observe. This is something that needs examining as I suspect the main reason the pharmacist is considering some middle ground. There is no middle ground, there is just trust abuse or no trust abuse. We will not tolerate abuse so best start to comprehend this before the facts demonstrating truth cost you more even than perhaps you deserve to lose on this board.
I agree with the post above. If you support those that trust abuse, then you too abuse the power given to you as a DT member. This system relies upon DT members excluding other DT members who abuse. So you support or even neglect to exclude those abusing trust, you are an abuser of the trust system.This has been made very clear now by Theymos. No more bullshit lemons or I think you can scam because you swear. NO NO.... you have a clear mandate now and those on DT not excluding clear trust abusers now are also trust abusers by their non action.
Any DT that is prepared to undo their trust abuse for ALL subjective red trust not directly related to scamming and exclude others that are for now unwilling could be given public agreement by this union (if all agree) to accepted and treated as a reformed character. This however can not apply to any DT proven a scammer. This public agreement will be set in stone as long as they only ever red trust for behaviour directly related to scamming and do not scam themselves.
I do not expect many to decide to take this offer even if it was valid (which is it not unless the entire union of abused persons agrees to it) but it is something to consider for both sides for when things start to heat up further in the future. I really do see the entire board going up into almost anarchy unless we can fix it now.
We the abused and mistreated ask for nothing we should not already have given freely. Prove any of us scammed or are directly related to scamming or remove the red and also allow fair representation on DT or explain why we should not have it. Why should those that have never scammed for years and are proven by our track record here be prevented from DT? I have no desire for DT but would like to see some older legends who are not part of cliques perhaps some from many different sub forums to be there.
I would like to see a rule set in stone:
Anyone red trusting someone who is not directly related to a scam or are a proven scammer should be excluded at once by all other DT members unless they remove it immediately. Red trust is a waste of time unless it represents scamming or scammers and persons that are provably a high risk to the trading and finances of others here. It must not be allowed to be used as a tool to intimidate nor bully honest members who do not share DT members view or ideologies to the letter.
The above is just one possible solution that all persons could consider and we could discuss sensibly as a community.
