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I think it's best to stop posting in this thread... It's clear that it doesn't matter what you post, insanity will continue... So maybe considering not responding is better, at least that's what I'm doing now. Unwatched and disabled notifications on this thread.

+1. I may also suggest also looking the thread since it seems to have exhausted its purpose.
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I think it's best to stop posting in this thread... It's clear that it doesn't matter what you post, insanity will continue... So maybe considering not responding is better, at least that's what I'm doing now. Unwatched and disabled notifications on this thread.
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No I didn't. I had absolutely nothing to do with you being removed, but it was the right decision. You just didn't like that fact and because I was vocal about it.

So you weren't posting over and over in that thread chastising me? Sure looked like you were.

Yeah, after you were removed, which I had nothing to do with. I was just offering my opinion, just one you didn't like.

Also you personally contacted Canaryinthemine to ask him to review the thread did you not? That does not sound like no involvement to me.

Again, no I did not.

Quote from: TECSHARE link=topic=935984.msg10321009#msg10321009 date

I PMed Hilariousandco and asked him to speak on my behalf because I had cooperated with him more than once in the past to prune people he had found to be untrustworthy from my trust ratings. I assumed that this was evidence I cared about the default trust list's integrity, but according to him I was asking him to "shill" for me. This is not getting involved? This is adding to the shit slinging simply for asking him to speak in regards to my past behavior. Of course that didn't stop him from slinging shit for page after page then following me to other threads to do the same.

Just read what you're saying because you're contradicting yourself here. I only posted in the thread after you contacted me, only you didn't like what I had to say on the matter. It's also funny how you're ok with co-operating with me and others by removing people from your trust / helping scambust but the moment it turns sour for you everybody is a trust mafia mallcop scam buster with nothing better to do. And I wasn't following you around, you were just derailing every single thread you posted in making it all about you, and guess what you've done here?
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I'm not inclined to remove nubbins because I trust him AND because he corrected his actions.  Basically he wasn't 100% aware of how trust operates, but once he understood it, he took appropriate actions.

It makes no sense to have a 1 strike policy especially if someone wasn't malicious about it and took corrective actions.  Most users still do not understand trust.

I along with others, patiently waited on Tecshare back then, to correct his abuse, he didn't... so he got removed.
I'm pretty sure I was the last one to drop him, even though Tecshare begged me not to.  I waited plenty of time for hot heads to cool down, however Tecshare demonstrated that he won't do the right thing at the end.
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Its not subjective enforcement of the rules, its just that moderator's don't have Nubbins/Vod on their trust lists, so they have no reason to respond. (besides Badbear who has addressed his stance on Vod)


Theymos, Badbear, and Hilariousandco took it upon themselves to lead the rallying cry to remove me.... even though they were not the ones who added me to their trust list, and they had no reason to respond, yet they did.

No I didn't. I had absolutely nothing to do with you being removed, but it was the right decision. You just didn't like that fact and because I was vocal about it.

So you weren't posting over and over in that thread chastising me? Sure looked like you were. Also you personally contacted Canaryinthemine to ask him to review the thread did you not? That does not sound like no involvement to me.


PS, back to the actual topic of this thread, why is it ok Nubbins has still not removed his negative trust rating for UKCrypto even though he has proved beyond a doubt that he is not an alt of WoodCollector? Isn't this just more punitive punishment using the default trust system to punish people who dare disagree with him?
hilariousandco did not post in the thread until he was responding to a PM from you soliciting support in the thread in question. I believe that he didn't actually post in it until you were officially removed from the default trust network (he actually posted immediately after BadBear confirmed that he excluded you from his trust list - thread in question). As to hilariousandco sending a PM to CITM, I have no idea however it wouldn't matter because by the time he removed your name, you were no longer in the default trust network. BadBear was essentially telling you that your trust feedback was inappropriate very early on in the thread.

Ironically BadBear has excluded Nubbins from his trust list, so even if CITM does not remove him from his trust list, it will only take one more person that is trusted by DefaultTrust to exclude him in order from him to be removed from the default trust network. Since CITM has more or less demonstrated that he is not interested in removing Nubbins from his trust list, the only way that he will be removed is from trust exclusions.

I PMed Hilariousandco and asked him to speak on my behalf because I had cooperated with him more than once in the past to prune people he had found to be untrustworthy from my trust ratings. I assumed that this was evidence I cared about the default trust list's integrity, but according to him I was asking him to "shill" for me. This is not getting involved? This is adding to the shit slinging simply for asking him to speak in regards to my past behavior. Of course that didn't stop him from slinging shit for page after page then following me to other threads to do the same.
He didn't chime in until after you were removed though. I would say this would be evidence that he had nothing to do with you being removed. Just because he publicly supported you being removed after the fact does not mean that he actively tried to have you removed.

There have been several examples of people getting removed from the default trust network after abusing their position after you were removed and after trust exclusions were put into place.
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RE: Keyzer Soze

Its not subjective enforcement of the rules, its just that moderator's don't have Nubbins/Vod on their trust lists, so they have no reason to respond. (besides Badbear who has addressed his stance on Vod)


Theymos, Badbear, and Hilariousandco took it upon themselves to lead the rallying cry to remove me.... even though they were not the ones who added me to their trust list, and they had no reason to respond, yet they did.

No I didn't. I had absolutely nothing to do with you being removed, but it was the right decision. You just didn't like that fact and because I was vocal about it.

So you weren't posting over and over in that thread chastising me? Sure looked like you were. Also you personally contacted Canaryinthemine to ask him to review the thread did you not? That does not sound like no involvement to me.


PS, back to the actual topic of this thread, why is it ok Nubbins has still not removed his negative trust rating for UKCrypto even though he has proved beyond a doubt that he is not an alt of WoodCollector? Isn't this just more punitive punishment using the default trust system to punish people who dare disagree with him?
hilariousandco did not post in the thread until he was responding to a PM from you soliciting support in the thread in question. I believe that he didn't actually post in it until you were officially removed from the default trust network (he actually posted immediately after BadBear confirmed that he excluded you from his trust list - thread in question). As to hilariousandco sending a PM to CITM, I have no idea however it wouldn't matter because by the time he removed your name, you were no longer in the default trust network. BadBear was essentially telling you that your trust feedback was inappropriate very early on in the thread.

Ironically BadBear has excluded Nubbins from his trust list, so even if CITM does not remove him from his trust list, it will only take one more person that is trusted by DefaultTrust to exclude him in order from him to be removed from the default trust network. Since CITM has more or less demonstrated that he is not interested in removing Nubbins from his trust list, the only way that he will be removed is from trust exclusions.

I PMed Hilariousandco and asked him to speak on my behalf because I had cooperated with him more than once in the past to prune people he had found to be untrustworthy from my trust ratings. I assumed that this was evidence I cared about the default trust list's integrity, but according to him I was asking him to "shill" for me. This is not getting involved? This is adding to the shit slinging simply for asking him to speak in regards to my past behavior. Of course that didn't stop him from slinging shit for page after page then following me to other threads to do the same.
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RE: Keyzer Soze

Its not subjective enforcement of the rules, its just that moderator's don't have Nubbins/Vod on their trust lists, so they have no reason to respond. (besides Badbear who has addressed his stance on Vod)


Theymos, Badbear, and Hilariousandco took it upon themselves to lead the rallying cry to remove me.... even though they were not the ones who added me to their trust list, and they had no reason to respond, yet they did.

No I didn't. I had absolutely nothing to do with you being removed, but it was the right decision. You just didn't like that fact and because I was vocal about it.

So you weren't posting over and over in that thread chastising me? Sure looked like you were. Also you personally contacted Canaryinthemine to ask him to review the thread did you not? That does not sound like no involvement to me.


PS, back to the actual topic of this thread, why is it ok Nubbins has still not removed his negative trust rating for UKCrypto even though he has proved beyond a doubt that he is not an alt of WoodCollector? Isn't this just more punitive punishment using the default trust system to punish people who dare disagree with him?
hilariousandco did not post in the thread until he was responding to a PM from you soliciting support in the thread in question. I believe that he didn't actually post in it until you were officially removed from the default trust network (he actually posted immediately after BadBear confirmed that he excluded you from his trust list - thread in question). As to hilariousandco sending a PM to CITM, I have no idea however it wouldn't matter because by the time he removed your name, you were no longer in the default trust network. BadBear was essentially telling you that your trust feedback was inappropriate very early on in the thread.

Ironically BadBear has excluded Nubbins from his trust list, so even if CITM does not remove him from his trust list, it will only take one more person that is trusted by DefaultTrust to exclude him in order from him to be removed from the default trust network. Since CITM has more or less demonstrated that he is not interested in removing Nubbins from his trust list, the only way that he will be removed is from trust exclusions.
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PS, back to the actual topic of this thread, why is it ok Nubbins has still not removed his negative trust rating for UKCrypto even though he has proved beyond a doubt that he is not an alt of WoodCollector? Isn't this just more punitive punishment using the default trust system to punish people who dare disagree with him?

What are you, his dad? It's none of your fuckin concern. Mind your own business.
Are you WoodColector's dad? It is none of your concern, but you sure as fuck made it yours. You made your behavior my concern when you abused the default trust system to neg me in a pathetic attempt to intimidate me. I guess you'll just have to deal with that now.
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PS, back to the actual topic of this thread, why is it ok Nubbins has still not removed his negative trust rating for UKCrypto even though he has proved beyond a doubt that he is not an alt of WoodCollector? Isn't this just more punitive punishment using the default trust system to punish people who dare disagree with him?

What are you, his dad? It's none of your fuckin concern. Mind your own business.
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RE: Keyzer Soze

Its not subjective enforcement of the rules, its just that moderator's don't have Nubbins/Vod on their trust lists, so they have no reason to respond. (besides Badbear who has addressed his stance on Vod)


Theymos, Badbear, and Hilariousandco took it upon themselves to lead the rallying cry to remove me.... even though they were not the ones who added me to their trust list, and they had no reason to respond, yet they did.

No I didn't. I had absolutely nothing to do with you being removed, but it was the right decision. You just didn't like that fact and because I was vocal about it.

So you weren't posting over and over in that thread chastising me? Sure looked like you were. Also you personally contacted Canaryinthemine to ask him to review the thread did you not? That does not sound like no involvement to me.


PS, back to the actual topic of this thread, why is it ok Nubbins has still not removed his negative trust rating for UKCrypto even though he has proved beyond a doubt that he is not an alt of WoodCollector? Isn't this just more punitive punishment using the default trust system to punish people who dare disagree with him?
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RE: Keyzer Soze

Its not subjective enforcement of the rules, its just that moderator's don't have Nubbins/Vod on their trust lists, so they have no reason to respond. (besides Badbear who has addressed his stance on Vod)


Theymos, Badbear, and Hilariousandco took it upon themselves to lead the rallying cry to remove me.... even though they were not the ones who added me to their trust list, and they had no reason to respond, yet they did.

No I didn't. I had absolutely nothing to do with you being removed, but it was the right decision. You just didn't like that fact and because I was vocal about it.
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RE: Keyzer Soze

Its not subjective enforcement of the rules, its just that moderator's don't have Nubbins/Vod on their trust lists, so they have no reason to respond. (besides Badbear who has addressed his stance on Vod)

Theymos, Badbear, and Hilariousandco took it upon themselves to lead the rallying cry to remove me.... even though they were not the ones who added me to their trust list, and they had no reason to respond, yet they did.

PS, back to the actual topic of this thread, why is it ok Nubbins has still not removed his negative trust rating for UKCrypto even though he has proved beyond a doubt that he is not an alt of WoodCollector? Isn't this just more punitive punishment using the default trust system to punish people who dare disagree with him?
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I don't think Tecshare is doing it intentionally though, maybe he is, I don't know.  I think he just has such a high opinion of himself (wish search wasn't down, I've seen some doozies that make this obvious) that he can't bear to think someone may have chosen to remove him from their trust list, and instead chooses to believe it's a collaborative effort by *the man* to damage him. I've seen it many times in various forms, this type of denial is kind of sad to see.


Isn't this just a very educated, eloquent and politically correct way of saying what I said a couple of weeks ago?


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Wow is all I can say.

Hands down all I can say is Tecshare has clearly demonstrated the most severe pathology of being butt hurt than I ever encountered.

All of these threads and psychotic whining is for one thing and one thing only.

His ego cannot accept the fact he was removed from the trust and badly wants back in.

Techshare is massive butthurt.

Anyone else see that?


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It is very glaring that TECSHARE is butthurt.

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TecShare..    Why do you NOT have woodcollector on your trust list?Huh??
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Nepotism requires no collaborative effort, it is perfectly organic. People who your pals get a pass, everyone else gets the shaft. Simple as that. There needs to be no coordinated conspiracy. Additionally, you say "I" keep bringing it up, but who brought it up here? Wasn't me, it was people trying to discredit me using that as some sort of supposed proof.

I keep repeating myself, because staff repeatedly use words referring to my viewpoints such as "conspiracy" to make my assertions seem wild, theoretical, and unrealistic in an attempt to marginalize me and keep people from critically examining my words, and they never stop repeating themselves either at any opportunity.

For about the 1000th time, I don't give a shit about being on the default trust. It is a horrible, destructive, completely ineffective system. If I did why didn't I just remove my rating for Armis so I could stay on it? If that is what I wanted I could have had it. My problem is with the way the staff CLAIM to handle trust disputes and how they ACTUALLY handle trust disputes are two very different things. People like VOD, and Nubbins are allowed to shit all over everyone's reputations, often destroying them in one post, for very clearly personal reasons OVER AND OVER again, but the fact that supposedly abused the trust system once was enough for Theymos himself to rally other staff members, and have me removed.

As far as Salty, Theymos pays his bills. Why would SaltySpitoon not follow a directive from his boss? It is fairly obvious that if anyone was "asked" to do something by their employer, not doing so could potentially lead to loss of employment, if not other issues. You can claim up and down you weren't "forced" to, but your exact words to me were "I am not risking my reputation for you" demonstrating to me you very clearly had something to lose simply by not removing me. So in the end, is that a choice or a mandate?

I don't have anything to do with this but doesn't the below post explain the bolded above?


If I was simple minded maybe, I made a judgement for myself, which I've also addressed 50 times. Its not that in my opinion Tecshare is untrustworthy. I'd still trust Tecshare with my money in a trade, I however removed him from my trustlist because I don't trust him not to get upset and make an irrational unproportionate reactions to situations (My decision, not Theymos/Canaryinthemine/etc's decision). My positive feedback for him for past trades stands, I just don't trust him to leave appropriate feedback for others. Armis was mildly pestering his sales thread, no moderator responded either because they didn't feel it necessary, or they didn't get around to reading it, and the situation played out from there. As I've said in the Remove Nubbins/Vod/etc etc threads in meta, I don't care because Nubbins/Vod aren't my responsibility, as I don't have either of them on my trust network. Its not subjective enforcement of the rules, its just that moderator's don't have Nubbins/Vod on their trust lists, so they have no reason to respond. (besides Badbear who has addressed his stance on Vod)
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default trust. It is a horrible, destructive, completely ineffective system.

You're right for once. It's absurd that new users start off trusting people they know nothing about. The whole thing is designed poorly; the "btc risked" value should be replaced with a general score; it should be a "Web of Trust" and not a "Web of Trades." I trust least of all, the users with hundreds of ratings about petty trades; it's almost as though you were buying ratings from each other.

There should be no such thing as a neutral rating; if a rating isn't negative, it's positive. Neutrality is the absence of a rating. Making a rating is like placing a bet, with your reputation instead of money. Old ratings carry more weight than new ratings, just like how early bets are weighted higher than late bets. For example: a negative rating for pirateat40 in 2011 is more valuable than one placed in 2012. It's easy to call someone a scammer after everyone has already agreed he is a scammer. It's risky to call someone a scammer when everyone else is still blind to his deception.

Or better yet, just use the #bitcoin-assets WoT.
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