Topic: REMOVE NUBBINS FROM THE DEFAULT TRUST LIST FOR REPEATED TRUST ABUSE - page 8. (Read 15401 times)

Aw, thanks, guys!

Rotten apples like WC ruin it for everyone. TECSHARE's chin-wagging doesn't affect me, because I know I did the right thing.

I dunno, maybe that he hasn't provided anything that can show he can carve? Sanding with a dremmel doesn't prove anything other than he hasn't adequately demonstrated what he's claiming he can do which is pretty good evidence in itself. The video he posted was like asking someone who is claiming be a master painter to prove they can paint replicas of the Mona Lisa and as proof they show you a video of them crudely drawing a stick figure with a marker pen (one where the outline is just being traced as well). WC could have closed this case very quickly if he wanted to but surprise surprise he just has a whole lot of excuses and tried his best to try weasel out of it hoping people would buy his bullshit with the weak evidence he presented and guess what? It didn't work.

You called nibblins competition...... where have we heard that before

If Nubbins had simply presented his suspicions and left it at that I might be willing to agree he is providing a service. Instead he decided it was appropriate to turn it into a personal matter by going around negging WC before he even had an opportunity to respond, and also attempted to intimidate others into not speaking out about it by leaving negative trust ratings for anyone who disagreed with his accusations. This is destructive, not productive, and completely relies on the fact that Nubbin's suspicions are correct, something that an impartial person doesn't do before all the evidence is presented. .

It is clear that for whatever reason, be it to harm the reputation of competition, or just to entertain himself, Nubbins has clear intent to damage the reputation of WC and anyone else who agrees with him.

What evidence EXACTLY was quite convincing? Because I don't see any evidence, just a bunch of people speculating about what COULD have happened and ignoring perfectly logical explanations with contrary evidence. The fact that he didn't make a video that satisfied the peanut gallery is just evidence of poor video making skills, not evidence of his guilt. This again is just another suspicion.

Yeah I was aware of most of the things which can be recognised. Although, I did based my replies on Tor rather than a VPN. Thanks for the link though, I wasn't certain on a few things.

Experience I suppose. He probably can identify a lot of people without even knowing the technical process of it all.

I don't know how he did it but BadBear previously figured out someone's alts a while ago and they all exclusively used tor (I figured out a few of them from various other evidence but he found a load more). I even made a joke he should join the NSA  but maybe it was through cookies or something else only the admins know about.

That's exactly what I meant with the pattern recognising. Although, for some reason I just assumed most people would be up to date on their web browsers, because of the auto updating software which normally comes with the browser, unless you choose not to update. Although, with Tor browser none of this applies as it appears that every user is using the same operating system and browser version. I would put money on Badbear having enough suspicion/evidence.

Besides, Badbear has gained enough experience over time and probably can identify them before gaining as much information as that.

Everybody doesn't use the same versions of operating systems or browsers though. It's not just a case of oh he uses windows and firefox therefore we've caught him. The admins can see the IPs and detailed info and users are vastly different and if two people are using the same proxies/tor and logging in and out from one account to the next it is blatant.

If the two alt accounts go from using:

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_10_2) AppleWebKit/600.3.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/8.0.3 Safari/600.3.18  
      
&

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.91 Safari/537.36

Both to

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:16.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/16.0

Which is the same as WoodCollectors then that's pretty damning evidence.

I suspect - oh noez suspicionz - that WoodCollector took over one or both of the accounts at some point and the switch would be obvious to the admins especially if they went from using their own IPs/computer(s) to the same connection / computer WC does. If that's the case the evidence builds up pretty fast, but of course only BadBear knows what dirt he has but I trust his judgement and like you said he has no reason to lie.


I'm not back peddling, you'll just find excuses and invent conspiracy for everything based on nothing but speculation yourself. Notice I said such as ie that was just one example. People can think they're smart and anonymous using proxies and tor but if you use the same computer/browser it's not hard to tell especially when there's other evidence against you. It's called putting two and two together and it is very hard to hide this stuff from the admins unless you're really smart about it. Whether you want to admit it or not - which of course you don't because it doesn't suit your agenda - BadBear knows more than you and I and if he's left feedback it's for a good reason.



I agree, but it seems the only person who doesn't is tecshare and WoodCollector's alts. Surprise surprise.

To me, nubbins did an actual PSA, converting his free time to a public warning. Nubbins did the right thing. I think we need more people like him in this community. We all have some special knowledge on different topics. Sharing it will help the community in its entirety.

Now on this specific case, I think the evidence presented was quite convincing. You can't really say that it was a baseless accusation. Bitcointalk seems to have pretty decent understanding of who is a bad guy and who is not. This community usually comes to the right conclusion when appropriate evidence is presented.

I SPECULATED..... look at the size of the catfish I cought....

if this was the case then would you agree that they would reasonably be the same person?

YAY - MORE SPECULATION! Just what we need.

I would speculate that he knows at least partially because the "tor tax" was paid from addresses and/or inputs were connected. WC had said that he connects via tor so it would make sense that his alts would sign up via tor as well

Now you are back peddling from your IP "proof" to say that because they both used an operating system and browser that billions of other people use that this is now proof.   Suspicions....
That is ALL anyone lodging these accusations have, 100% SUSPICIONS.

Considering we are basically pattern recognising machines it's fairly easy to spot alternate accounts. Although, a normal user may not have the proof which you ask for I'm almost certain Badbear would, however that doesn't mean he can give that information away either to an individual or publicly. Anyway, why would Badbear lie about having information? It wouldn't benefit him in anyway, it could only damage is reputation if found out.

To be fair if  they are all using Windows then it doesn't really help the case, or even ubuntu. If they are using another operating system then it could be more obvious. Same goes as the browser. Most users probably vary with both operating system and browser, I know I've logged in on about 5 different operating systems and browsers because some browsers aren't easy to setup in some distributions. But, you are right if they all match then it does raise suspicious that much more.

I can guarantee you BadBear didn't base his feedback just off another member's, and it doesn't have to be just down to the same IP. If they both use exactly the same browser and operating system then that's good enough evidence in this case (and he may have other evidence I'm not aware of). Also, you're right that people sticking up for another isn't conclusive evidence alone but it certainly arouses suspicion, especially when they type the same way and use the same insults etc. More than a coincidence is it not?

BadBear has refused to offer any evidence, he just said "I don't care if you don't believe me." If Nubbins is willing to lie and abuse the trust system to try to intimidate myself and UKCrypto, why wouldn't he be willing to do so for the others? IMO BadBear left his rating based on Nubbins false accusations and just doesn't want to admit he may have been mistaken.

Considering that WC has said he uses a proxy service, an IP correlation alone doesn't prove they are alts of each other (as you well know, but don't let facts get in the way of your accusations). An IP correlation could EASILY happen simply because they use the SAME PROXY! This is not proof of anything.

I have seen zero evidence either of them are alts or shills. Just because some one stands up for another user does NOT make them an alt or a shill, and it is RETARDEDLY EASY to sling that accusation at people because it is basically unprovable either way, but the accusations are certainly useful for trying to intimidate and discredit people.

So now I'm to be removed from Default Trust because I changed my rating of you to a more accurate one?

Haha. Fuck you. Lock this thread, you embarass yourself. 

He's likely wrong about UKcrytpo but probably not about the others. It's pretty obvious the other two are alts /shills just from their behaviour and BadBear will have some other evidence such as IPs tying them together.

UKCrypto has now proven himself to not be an alt. If Nubbins was wrong about him, is it not highly probable he is also wrong about the others?