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legendary
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In case you missed it, Badbear responded to your request as outlined in the title of this thread.

Time to lock this thread and enjoy your defeat.


~BCX~


Title of Thread:REMOVE NUBBINS FROM THE DEFAULT TRUST LIST FOR REPEATED TRUST ABUSE

No.



BitcoinEXpress is defending Nubbins?!

BitcoinEXpress and Nubbins seem to have a closer relationship than either one is letting on.
legendary
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Well, my concern is that I outed a scammer who milked twenty thousand dollars out of this place since Guy Fawke's Night, and in return I get a bunch of socks PMing me photographs of the outside of my house and TECSHARE the bully starting one of his vendetta campaigns.

I suppose that's all okay, though, because I'm the big bad neg-rate monster who didn't consider everyone's feelings!

Christ, you people.  Roll Eyes

Aww poor victim the Nubbins, starting a mob attack that backfired when you attacked way too many people (actual individuals not socks). I have no control over how others choose to interact with you, and frankly you should have expected this reaction as a direct result of all the horse shit you have been slinging trying to destroy people's reputations simply to entertain yourself and save face by not admitting you were wrong.

Your right, what a bully I am for daring to have an opinion in opposition to yours in public! I was having a discussion with you, you are the one with the vendettas striking out at anyone who dares to point out your accusations are bullshit. Nice refractory double speak. Just accuse your opponent of what you are doing. Pretty stale propaganda technique. Keep it up, maybe some one will believe you are victim here and not the perpetrator.


RE: The domain
Anyone else here seeing the pattern of how retardedly far these idiots will go with the accusations and theories in a desperate attempt to build a narrative to justify their abusive harassing behavior? Let me get this straight, so far WoodCollector is me, Sodawars, Terrahasher, AND UKcrypto. Did I miss anyone? Perhaps he is Bruce Wagner, Mark Karpeles, and Josh Zerlan too! Why not right?

I am astonished that is is not glaringly obvious these degenerates are simply slinging as much bullshit as possible and hoping some of it will stick, and some one will believe them. If I wanted to rip people off here and use alts I would have done it a long time ago, not after building up 3 years worth of impeccable trading reputation.

Furthermore how retarded would it be for me to use a domain that I listed for sale on this very forum if I was WC and trying to hide this fact? None of this makes any sense whatsoever, but complete lack of logic has never stopped you guys in the past. This is the definition of grasping for straws. Next you guys will be telling us about how WoodCollector faked the moon landing for the reptoids in exchange for alien stealth laser engraver technology. This is reaching epic levels of pathetic. I really truly feel sorry for you guys, because to go this far you really must have nothing in your personal lives to enjoy at all, and this is your only means for self gratification.

Anyways, back to reality. On the day WC tried to upload his video to Youtube it took 2 days including processing, so to speed things up I offered to host the video for him. WHAT A SCANDAL! You can proceed with your shit slinging, theorizing, and baseless accusations now.



Back on the actual topic of having Nubbins removed, I see Nubbins has modified his attempt at intimidating me into silence to a neutral rating now. What about UKCrypto? Did he photoshop that image of being in Vietnam now? Nubbins was very clearly systematically accusing then negative rating anyone who dared to disagree with his accusations against WoodCollector. This demonstrates without a doubt he is willing to abuse the trust system to win petty flame wars he started. He does not belong on the default trust list.
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TECSHARE and WoodCollector seem to have a closer relationship than either one is letting on.



I've confirmed that the WHOIS info for rezdesign.com returns an address that is very close geographically to where TECSHARE is located, as well.

TECSHARE, can you comment on any of this? Please tell me this thread isn't just about me neg-rating your scammer friend.

EDIT: Google Cache shows the /woodcollector/ subfolder did not exist on January 21, 2015: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rezdesign.com

Let's not jump to conclusions here. Yes, TECSHARE is defending Woodcollector. So possibly they wanted to document some evidence about this case. Maybe that's why they created a Woodcollector folder on their site?

Just having that folder means nothing.
donator
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between a rock and a block!
Well, my concern is that I outed a scammer who milked twenty thousand dollars out of this place since Guy Fawke's Night, and in return I get a bunch of socks PMing me photographs of the outside of my house and TECSHARE the bully starting one of his vendetta campaigns.

I suppose that's all okay, though, because I'm the big bad neg-rate monster who didn't consider everyone's feelings!

Christ, you people.  Roll Eyes
releasing/using personal info is a big no no on the forum and can get a user banned... Do you believe TECSHARE is behind the release of your info?
legendary
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After having some time to reflect, I agree with others in that my negative trust rating of TECSHARE was inappropriate. I have replaced it with neutral feedback that relates the situation in a less undiplomatic manner.
legendary
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Well, my concern is that I outed a scammer who milked twenty thousand dollars out of this place since Guy Fawke's Night, and in return I get a bunch of socks PMing me photographs of the outside of my house and TECSHARE the bully starting one of his vendetta campaigns.

I suppose that's all okay, though, because I'm the big bad neg-rate monster who didn't consider everyone's feelings!

Christ, you people.  Roll Eyes
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If anyone has a serious problem with Nubbins' judgement then they should exclude Nubbins in their own trust list. There's no need to wait for other members to take action.

Someone give this man a medal. If you don't like me, why in the fuck am I on your trust list?
You are by default. That is the point of this thread to change you being on everyone's trust list by default.

Well maybe the point of the thread should be to change Default Trust so it doesn't suck in precisely the way that pisses everyone off.

Why not chime in here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914641.0;all
It would be much easier to abuse trust in the proposed system (I did voice my concerns in that thread).

His concern is not that he sees your trust ratings, it is that other people see your trust ratings by default and as a result may be negatively (or possibly positively) affected to be able to conduct business as a result of your ratings.
legendary
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If anyone has a serious problem with Nubbins' judgement then they should exclude Nubbins in their own trust list. There's no need to wait for other members to take action.

Someone give this man a medal. If you don't like me, why in the fuck am I on your trust list?
You are by default. That is the point of this thread to change you being on everyone's trust list by default.

Well maybe the point of the thread should be to change Default Trust so it doesn't suck in precisely the way that pisses everyone off.

Why not chime in here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914641.0;all
copper member
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If anyone has a serious problem with Nubbins' judgement then they should exclude Nubbins in their own trust list. There's no need to wait for other members to take action.

Someone give this man a medal. If you don't like me, why in the fuck am I on your trust list?
You are by default. That is the point of this thread to change you being on everyone's trust list by default.
legendary
Activity: 1554
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If anyone has a serious problem with Nubbins' judgement then they should exclude Nubbins in their own trust list. There's no need to wait for other members to take action.

Someone give this man a medal. If you don't like me, why in the fuck am I on your trust list?

Off-topic, but here's a WoodCollector image that he forgot to scrub the watermark from. TECSHARE, why do you continue to stand up for this thief and liar? How many lies before you give up? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10278112

EDIT: Reddit chimed in too... https://www.reddit.com/r/Woodcarving/comments/2tendk/is_this_guy_scamming_the_community_with_laser/
legendary
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Maybe you should talk to your mob if you don't like the off topic discussion, but you are right, this thread is about your trust system abuse.  I have messaged Canaryinthemine and asked him to remove you and referenced this thread. Waiting for his comment.

Wait, you messaged him AGAIN, or you're still waiting on a response from the first time? Lel.
legendary
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tss
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Obligatory reading.

Quote from: Mircea Popescu
II. The WoT works by reducing the unknowns problem. It allows the user - any user - to confidently identify the sources of information, both in the negative and in the positive. That is to say, if sources of information exist, the user may by the WoT find them, and safely assume that should no sources of information be thus found, no sources of information in fact exist. It further allows the user to judge the quality, reliability and precision of said sources, and this independent both of the direct source and of the counterparty he's examining.


i miss MP.  what a huge ass but quite a character.  was he and his pr chick perma banned?
hero member
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Yes, nubbins has been a bit eager with his trust. They shouldn't have all the negatives he did.

It is up to the people that have them in their trust list to decide if they still trust Nubbins' judgement. Personally, I'd rather see that Nubbins learns about how to use his trust properly than having him removed.

If anyone has a serious problem with Nubbins' judgement then they should exclude Nubbins in their own trust list. There's no need to wait for other members to take action.

Also I feel a topic like this would have more chance of success if it were posited different. The confrontational title (it's actually a command?) probably did not help the OP's case.
sr. member
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This thread has gotten significantly off topic. It is not about WC or any of his potential sockpuppets. It is about Nubbins and his abuse of the trust system (it may be ignorance however ignorance is not a valid defense to breaking the law).

Nubbins has over the past ~week used negative trust to intimidate people to agree with him. He did remove negative trust against some people who stood up for themselves however others were likely afraid to disagree with them out of fear of the potential negative trust they may get.

To allow this to happen, or to not speak up about this is going to set a horrible precedent. The fact that Nubbins was right does not matter. The fact is that he used his power as being on default trust list in order to get people to agree with him.

It has been argued that if Woodcollector was put out of business then his own business would benefit. This creates a clear financial incentive for him to want people to agree with him.
legendary
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Hey now, I've been at the wrong end of a pointy stick enough times to tell if it's hand carved or not! /joke

Since you gave your opinion it seems fair that I give mine too.

1) The pictures that were shown on the forums show poor cuts
2) The patterns on his works are very detailed and (near) perfect
3) They admitted to having used an image they had no rights to
4) The video they posted does not demonstrate the same detail that is in their other works
5) There are some apparent shills to back them up

I'm pretty sure that if the case went to court they would not be convicted based on only this. They would probably get a warning. Also they did deliver their works to the satisfaction of their customers.

But in my opinion they're misleading their patrons with their statements. Because of 1) if think they're overstating the quality of their work. Because of the mismatch between 1) and 2) (one shows little attention for detail and the other an high attention for detail) I think there's something fishy. Number 3) is a minor one, but funnily enough the point that would most likely lead to punishment because that's the way the justice system rolls. The final number 4) is disappointing, since they came out to proof something but ended up actually proving nothing. Finally I did not see conclusive proof of 5) and though it seems pretty obvious I'm not really considering it - I feel the other points carry enough weight for me.

All that tells me the works they're selling here are not top notch. Nothing that would make me get my pitchfork out and fire up the good ole torch though. Hey, they may still be greatly skilled and just doing bitcointalk on the side with low effort jobs.

1) It is a video in the middle of the process. Yes it would have been best if he posted video from the beginning and end instead of the middle. This is him not doing a very good job with videography, not proof he is a scammer. You seriously think he just staged that video to try to fake hand carving skill? That seems like a pretty elaborate con to me, beyond realism.

This does not address the poor cuts on his pieces as is seen on the many pictures of them. Also it's not beyond realism at all, considering the profits they're making they are likely to invest a bit if they feel it can secure their business for longer.

2) And? So he is supposed to reproduce a work that he gets paid thousands of dollars to do usually within 24 hours and manage to also in that time upload gigabytes of data of the video? Are you even examining the logistics of these irrational demands being made?

Again, my point is about the pieces he sold, not about the video. See point 4 for comments about the video.

3) No, he didn't admit to using an image he had rights to. He used a LICENSED image, and he never tried to hide that fact. Additionally he MODIFIED the image, meaning that according to the law it is AN ORIGINAL IMAGE. This is what is legally defined as a "derivative work", meaning by law HE MADE THE IMAGE and has rights to it. I am a professional graphic designer and I am well aware of copyright laws, you have zero room to argue this point.

I'll just quote them:
In the case of Deliverymans coin the exact lion on the coin is not one i provided, I do not have the license for that and should not have carve it on the coin.

4) This is just you repeating the same points over an over as in 1 and 2. See my answers for 1 and 2.

This is regarding the video they provided. Finally. With less effort they could have made a short video hand carving just a small detail that he hand carved before in one of the coins he sold before. A small letter with serif was suggested. That wouldn't have taken this long. Why go through so much extra effort with less result?

5) Again this is 100% speculation. Just because people choose to back him up DOES NOT  make them shills. There is absolutely no proof of this, just more theories stacked on top of each other in a lame attempt to give the original baseless accusations weight.

Agreed. I actually discounted this point in my original post. I just added it cause others keep bringing it up, but it is weak and not needed.

You are correct in stating this would not be enough in a court of law. You know why? BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROOF!!!

There is no conclusive and compelling evidence. There's enough shady behavior to be wary of though.

Edit and PS. Woops, I am horrible off topic too...
legendary
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You seriously think he just staged that video to try to fake hand carving skill? That seems like a pretty elaborate con to me, beyond realism.

beyond realism

 Huh

Can we please stay on topic in this thread?

Maybe you should talk to your mob if you don't like the off topic discussion, but you are right, this thread is about your trust system abuse.  I have messaged Canaryinthemine and asked him to remove you and referenced this thread. Waiting for his comment.
legendary
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You seriously think he just staged that video to try to fake hand carving skill? That seems like a pretty elaborate con to me, beyond realism.

beyond realism

 Huh

Can we please stay on topic in this thread?
legendary
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Hey now, I've been at the wrong end of a pointy stick enough times to tell if it's hand carved or not! /joke

Since you gave your opinion it seems fair that I give mine too.

1) The pictures that were shown on the forums show poor cuts
2) The patterns on his works are very detailed and (near) perfect
3) They admitted to having used an image they had no rights to
4) The video they posted does not demonstrate the same detail that is in their other works
5) There are some apparent shills to back them up

I'm pretty sure that if the case went to court they would not be convicted based on only this. They would probably get a warning. Also they did deliver their works to the satisfaction of their customers.

But in my opinion they're misleading their patrons with their statements. Because of 1) if think they're overstating the quality of their work. Because of the mismatch between 1) and 2) (one shows little attention for detail and the other an high attention for detail) I think there's something fishy. Number 3) is a minor one, but funnily enough the point that would most likely lead to punishment because that's the way the justice system rolls. The final number 4) is disappointing, since they came out to proof something but ended up actually proving nothing. Finally I did not see conclusive proof of 5) and though it seems pretty obvious I'm not really considering it - I feel the other points carry enough weight for me.

All that tells me the works they're selling here are not top notch. Nothing that would make me get my pitchfork out and fire up the good ole torch though. Hey, they may still be greatly skilled and just doing bitcointalk on the side with low effort jobs.

1) It is a video in the middle of the process. Yes it would have been best if he posted video from the beginning and end instead of the middle. This is him not doing a very good job with videography, not proof he is a scammer. You seriously think he just staged that video to try to fake hand carving skill? That seems like a pretty elaborate con to me, beyond realism.

2) And? So he is supposed to reproduce a work that he gets paid thousands of dollars to do usually within 24 hours and manage to also in that time upload gigabytes of data of the video? Are you even examining the logistics of these irrational demands being made?

3) No, he didn't admit to using an image he had rights to. He used a LICENSED image, and he never tried to hide that fact. Additionally he MODIFIED the image, meaning that according to the law it is AN ORIGINAL IMAGE. This is what is legally defined as a "derivative work", meaning by law HE MADE THE IMAGE and has rights to it. I am a professional graphic designer and I am well aware of copyright laws, you have zero room to argue this point.

4) This is just you repeating the same points over an over as in 1 and 2. See my answers for 1 and 2.

5) Again this is 100% speculation. Just because people choose to back him up DOES NOT  make them shills. There is absolutely no proof of this, just more theories stacked on top of each other in a lame attempt to give the original baseless accusations weight.


You are correct in stating this would not be enough in a court of law. You know why? BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROOF!!!
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