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Everything has a deadline.  Similarly human performance and mental skills also have a fixed term.  After a while, the human brain no longer works as before.  The human body is no longer functional as before.  Every man has to retire after the appointed time.  There are many more young candidates in the country who need to be given job opportunities.  How will the government and private institutions get new candidates if the senior citizens do not leave their seats?  Everything needs innovation.  Everything has a certain age limit and we have to accept it and move forward.
Yes that's right. As a person gets older, a person's skills and productivity will also decrease at work, especially if he works as a government official. The best way is to lower the retirement age limit from 58 years to 53 years from 60 years to 55 years, this also applies to all government employees so that there is continuous refreshment with the presence of the younger generation, so that they are more productive in working in government and companies.

It's different if someone works freelance rather than as a government employee, he can decide for himself when he wants to retire, if he has sufficient finances of course he will choose to retire and spend his old age with his family. Therefore, it is important for us from now on to prepare for financial freedom for old age, one of which is that when we are old we can just rest at home while playing with our grandchildren.
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With the numbers given those are the ages of the people who can receive as part of the elder people which we call senior people would like to retire at that early age if they can but it depends on the kind of life what they have, if you raise already a good amount of money during that times you can now leave as you want and retire but what if not? people in the lower-low status of society can't choose this kind of life because they don't have any options they need to keep working so they can serve food every day and keep working hard for the challenge of life. Not all the time government can sustain those seniors at the end of the day it's their path of their life that make them keep alive.
Not many people can achieve the level of income that will allow them not to work when they want. Also, often the pension is not enough to provide themselves with everything they need and these people have to continue working.

Sometimes people continue to work even in retirement because they are bored of being retired without work, but this is also a very rare case, most often they keep going to the work because they need money. The retirement age is needed so that the government knows when to pay citizens a pension, but recently there is a tendency for governments to raise the retirement age, so people have to work until they are old.

that makes sense. Also, in my opinion, someone who enjoys their job and they don't have friends other than in the world of work, it is likely that they will continue to work not for money reasons,  but because they have work friends who they consider to be their own family, and this happens in my environment where there are one parent who is elderly and he still likes to work also he has been warned to stop working by his family but he refuses because the reason he is in his job is that he finds pleasure that cannot be replaced with money, this indicates that money is not everything but everything need money.

It could also be that they choose to keep working because they are bored if they don't do the things they are used to doing,  and it is possible that money is the number one thing, maybe they still like working for reasons like my story above.
The elderly man's job clinging is a great example of work surpassing money. He sees the workplace as a social hub where fellowship is the main course! This goes beyond job satisfaction to the workplace's social structure. Social creatures, we are! The workplace replaces family and community when they fail. In today's fractured world, where else do we spend much of our time? The workplace becomes a pseudo-family, covering money-less gaps

Boredom drives work ethic greatly, yet is often neglected! Breaking from routines feels like leaving home. Money is a convenient scapegoat, but it's not everything. Work fulfills our purpose-driven nature. Your story illustrates a larger trend: employment is more than a paycheck; it's a source of meaning and protection from laziness. We must acknowledge this and cease reducing the story to financial motives. We misunderstand work by looking at it through a narrow lens

I agree with this, where those who do not have a good relationship with their family and make the workplace and work friends as family this is a good thing. because not everyone has a good relationship with their family sometimes there is also a child who lacks affection from his family which in slang is brokenhome, those who experience this tend to always be alone or always with friends who he trusts and sometimes there are some children who are brokenhome talking about not having a home to go home to, but this is not about the house. someone who is less fortunate in terms of his family maybe they will prefer things outside such as considering friends who are at work as their own family. This is possible because in my opinion not all elderly people want to spend their time at home, there are also those who want to spend their time outside the home such as in the world of work or others, I don't think it's bad because they themselves have rights, and usually if people are elderly it will be difficult to be prohibited, so let them choose things that can make them happy, I strongly support this, if those who do not have a good relationship with their family but spend their masters in their own homes there is a possibility that they can get upset and become angry too because they are prohibited from doing anything other than staying at home.

I also think that socializing is not wrong, in fact it's good. because they will have friends to chat with who are cool and comfortable. but if they just stay at home, they might feel bored. the purpose of working is indeed to earn money primarily, but there is nothing wrong with those who do not have a good relationship in their family and consider their workmates as family, someone who works certainly aims to earn money to meet their basic needs, if indeed they do not experience any problems in the family, maybe their main purpose in working is because they can earn money. i'm sure they know the choices they have to make because they themselves will feel the results.
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Because there aren't many options for healthcare and life expectancy is declining globally, I find the idea objectionable. With the retirement age being raised to 64, some people who have worked and paid into the system for many years may not live long enough to get benefits. Thus, extending work hours shouldn't be required; instead, people should do it if they feel well enough to do so. Recreational pursuits, travel, time with the grandchildren are all intended to be part of retirement. They cannot appreciate life if they are broken down and in anguish.
I also think that it would be much better for someone who has turned 60. to have the option of whether to take retirement or choose to continue working for an additional few years as agreed. So that people who have the desire to retire at the age of 60 will not feel disappointed if there are options they can choose. and those wishing to remain employed will also not be disappointed as there are options for extensions of employment. and I heard there is a system like this in my country. what is referred to as young retirement or early retirement, namely retirement before entering retirement age. but they still have pension benefits. it's just not as big as when they retire at the retirement age limit.

In my opinion, it all depends on each person. because people's pleasures are different in nature, for example someone who is 60 years old and he does not have a family or only lives alone, in my opinion, a person like this will prefer to continue working because of his situation who does not have a family and the friends who are in his workplace are his family so maybe I he will continue to work even though he is 60 years old.
And there are those who choose to retire at the age of 60, because they have a family and realize that their old age must be spent with their family because their pleasure is in their family, and their family is the most valuable treasure in life.
So everything has its own portion.

There are many people in our country who, after their retirement, are still working because of the hardships of life here. Even if they don't want to retire from work, there is nothing they can do because there is a limit to the age at which they can work. There are others who, even though they don't want to work anymore, are still obliged despite their old age.

Because they are forced to do so because they don't want to be a burden on their children who are staying at home, that's why the parents who reach old age are lucky that their children take care of them.
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With the numbers given those are the ages of the people who can receive as part of the elder people which we call senior people would like to retire at that early age if they can but it depends on the kind of life what they have, if you raise already a good amount of money during that times you can now leave as you want and retire but what if not? people in the lower-low status of society can't choose this kind of life because they don't have any options they need to keep working so they can serve food every day and keep working hard for the challenge of life. Not all the time government can sustain those seniors at the end of the day it's their path of their life that make them keep alive.
Not many people can achieve the level of income that will allow them not to work when they want. Also, often the pension is not enough to provide themselves with everything they need and these people have to continue working.

Sometimes people continue to work even in retirement because they are bored of being retired without work, but this is also a very rare case, most often they keep going to the work because they need money. The retirement age is needed so that the government knows when to pay citizens a pension, but recently there is a tendency for governments to raise the retirement age, so people have to work until they are old.

that makes sense. Also, in my opinion, someone who enjoys their job and they don't have friends other than in the world of work, it is likely that they will continue to work not for money reasons,  but because they have work friends who they consider to be their own family, and this happens in my environment where there are one parent who is elderly and he still likes to work also he has been warned to stop working by his family but he refuses because the reason he is in his job is that he finds pleasure that cannot be replaced with money, this indicates that money is not everything but everything need money.

It could also be that they choose to keep working because they are bored if they don't do the things they are used to doing,  and it is possible that money is the number one thing, maybe they still like working for reasons like my story above.
The elderly man's job clinging is a great example of work surpassing money. He sees the workplace as a social hub where fellowship is the main course! This goes beyond job satisfaction to the workplace's social structure. Social creatures, we are! The workplace replaces family and community when they fail. In today's fractured world, where else do we spend much of our time? The workplace becomes a pseudo-family, covering money-less gaps

Boredom drives work ethic greatly, yet is often neglected! Breaking from routines feels like leaving home. Money is a convenient scapegoat, but it's not everything. Work fulfills our purpose-driven nature. Your story illustrates a larger trend: employment is more than a paycheck; it's a source of meaning and protection from laziness. We must acknowledge this and cease reducing the story to financial motives. We misunderstand work by looking at it through a narrow lens
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With the numbers given those are the ages of the people who can receive as part of the elder people which we call senior people would like to retire at that early age if they can but it depends on the kind of life what they have, if you raise already a good amount of money during that times you can now leave as you want and retire but what if not? people in the lower-low status of society can't choose this kind of life because they don't have any options they need to keep working so they can serve food every day and keep working hard for the challenge of life. Not all the time government can sustain those seniors at the end of the day it's their path of their life that make them keep alive.
Not many people can achieve the level of income that will allow them not to work when they want. Also, often the pension is not enough to provide themselves with everything they need and these people have to continue working.

Sometimes people continue to work even in retirement because they are bored of being retired without work, but this is also a very rare case, most often they keep going to the work because they need money. The retirement age is needed so that the government knows when to pay citizens a pension, but recently there is a tendency for governments to raise the retirement age, so people have to work until they are old.

that makes sense. Also, in my opinion, someone who enjoys their job and they don't have friends other than in the world of work, it is likely that they will continue to work not for money reasons,  but because they have work friends who they consider to be their own family, and this happens in my environment where there are one parent who is elderly and he still likes to work also he has been warned to stop working by his family but he refuses because the reason he is in his job is that he finds pleasure that cannot be replaced with money, this indicates that money is not everything but everything need money.

It could also be that they choose to keep working because they are bored if they don't do the things they are used to doing,  and it is possible that money is the number one thing, maybe they still like working for reasons like my story above.
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France's Constitutional Council on Friday approved an unpopular plan to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64, in a victory for President Emmanuel Macron after three months of mass protests over the legislation that have damaged his leadership.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-retirement-age-raise-64-approved-constitutional-council/


This so-called measure has several benefits and drawbacks. The elder employees can benefit from their years of experience if they are retained on the job for longer, which is one advantage. The drawback of this is that many workplaces will report low performance because there is an inverse relationship between a person's success at work and their deterioration in cognitive and physical capacities.

Regardless, what I think is that the government shouldn't shove it down the throat of people. Workers who are approaching retirement age should be given a choice after appraisal to keep working or retire.

What sense does this make? Would you agree or disagree?


Raising Retirement Age when the life expectancy has become longer is actually make sense. The reason why retirement age exist is because at certain age a person was deemed to be unreliable to do some task. But along with the development of medical and nutritional science, people will have better life quality, compared to the previous generation, the later generation must have better nutrition and life style. And the result is that previously people who are on their 60s considered to be less reliable, but with better food and life-style nowadays people are still able to work even after their 60s.

All that being said, I would still prefer that elder are given a choice whether they are willing to continue to do their job or just retire.

Exactly! especially now that some older people, they are no longer able to reach the age of 60 because of the diseases and illnesses they have but having an advance technology and good vitamins and medicines,they will live longer and have a vigorous body with the help of supplements and taking care of their health. Here in our country, There are still some International companies who are still accepting retired aged employee to continue doing their job as long as they are capable and has no any other illnesses and I think that's right, just give them a chance to choose continuing and leaving their work because of their age..
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France's Constitutional Council on Friday approved an unpopular plan to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64, in a victory for President Emmanuel Macron after three months of mass protests over the legislation that have damaged his leadership.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-retirement-age-raise-64-approved-constitutional-council/


This so-called measure has several benefits and drawbacks. The elder employees can benefit from their years of experience if they are retained on the job for longer, which is one advantage. The drawback of this is that many workplaces will report low performance because there is an inverse relationship between a person's success at work and their deterioration in cognitive and physical capacities.

Regardless, what I think is that the government shouldn't shove it down the throat of people. Workers who are approaching retirement age should be given a choice after appraisal to keep working or retire.

What sense does this make? Would you agree or disagree?


Raising Retirement Age when the life expectancy has become longer is actually make sense. The reason why retirement age exist is because at certain age a person was deemed to be unreliable to do some task. But along with the development of medical and nutritional science, people will have better life quality, compared to the previous generation, the later generation must have better nutrition and life style. And the result is that previously people who are on their 60s considered to be less reliable, but with better food and life-style nowadays people are still able to work even after their 60s.

All that being said, I would still prefer that elder are given a choice whether they are willing to continue to do their job or just retire.
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With the numbers given those are the ages of the people who can receive as part of the elder people which we call senior people would like to retire at that early age if they can but it depends on the kind of life what they have, if you raise already a good amount of money during that times you can now leave as you want and retire but what if not? people in the lower-low status of society can't choose this kind of life because they don't have any options they need to keep working so they can serve food every day and keep working hard for the challenge of life. Not all the time government can sustain those seniors at the end of the day it's their path of their life that make them keep alive.
Not many people can achieve the level of income that will allow them not to work when they want. Also, often the pension is not enough to provide themselves with everything they need and these people have to continue working.

Sometimes people continue to work even in retirement because they are bored of being retired without work, but this is also a very rare case, most often they keep going to the work because they need money. The retirement age is needed so that the government knows when to pay citizens a pension, but recently there is a tendency for governments to raise the retirement age, so people have to work until they are old.
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Everything has a deadline.  Similarly human performance and mental skills also have a fixed term.  After a while, the human brain no longer works as before.  The human body is no longer functional as before.  Every man has to retire after the appointed time.  There are many more young candidates in the country who need to be given job opportunities.  How will the government and private institutions get new candidates if the senior citizens do not leave their seats?  Everything needs innovation.  Everything has a certain age limit and we have to accept it and move forward.
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If the government increases the retirement age for the old people it doesn’t take the opportunity of the young people.Because the younger generation even get into the government job at the age of 30-35.But every one year after the 60 years will be very hard,because in many families they was not get respect because of the money support to their family.
Well, there's mortality rate and that means that not all of the people working will be able to render until their retirement and there are a lot of people that have economic difficulties.

And that means that they're going to find better opportunities for which will open opportunities to the young ones. Honestly, there's always opportunity somewhere else for each of us.

But we have hard time finding them or because it doesn't fit the criteria that we set or the passion isn't just enough.
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In my opinion, it all depends on each person. because people's pleasures are different in nature, for example someone who is 60 years old and he does not have a family or only lives alone, in my opinion, a person like this will prefer to continue working because of his situation who does not have a family and the friends who are in his workplace are his family so maybe I he will continue to work even though he is 60 years old.
And there are those who choose to retire at the age of 60, because they have a family and realize that their old age must be spent with their family because their pleasure is in their family, and their family is the most valuable treasure in life.
So everything has its own portion.
In this case it will really depend on each person and also the environment in which they live, you are right, if someone is alone and doesn't have a family to take care of them, of course they have to keep working no matter how old they are because if they don't have a job, of course no one will want to take care of them. except for themselves and for those who have families, there are even some who are under 60 years old. They no longer work because their families take care of all the things they need and they will spend more time with the families they have.
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In my opinion, it all depends on each person. because people's pleasures are different in nature, for example someone who is 60 years old and he does not have a family or only lives alone, in my opinion, a person like this will prefer to continue working because of his situation who does not have a family and the friends who are in his workplace are his family so maybe I he will continue to work even though he is 60 years old.
And there are those who choose to retire at the age of 60, because they have a family and realize that their old age must be spent with their family because their pleasure is in their family, and their family is the most valuable treasure in life.
So everything has its own portion.

If the old man was living alone without the support of his family members and they left out by their sons means he had no option other then working.In other case,some people had the potential and brave to live with their own earning.Such old people doesn’t accept the money from their family members also,they try to take food by earnings.Such people was motivated people to the younger generations all the time.The life of each people was not the same one,some also work because of their family left out to avoid of care them at the old ages.

Well, let me first of all say that, I do not see a much difference between 62 and 64,  though I still understand that having to work for  2 more extra years can be really a lot and unbearable for the man or worker who have been waiting and looking forward to retiring for a long time. And this I believe is where the need for personal decision comes into play and very vital as well.

Workers own their body right? They themselves know how they feel in the inside, they know how weak they've become, they themselves know if they really need a rest or to keep going, workers are to be at liberty of choosing when to retire, a sick man 60 years old man can't possibly keep working all in the name of trying to reach the specified retirement age, he may as well possibly drop dead before he reaches the stipulated retirement age, and this totally makes no sense.

If the government increases the retirement age for the old people it doesn’t take the opportunity of the young people.Because the younger generation even get into the government job at the age of 30-35.But every one year after the 60 years will be very hard,because in many families they was not get respect because of the money support to their family.
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Because there aren't many options for healthcare and life expectancy is declining globally, I find the idea objectionable. With the retirement age being raised to 64, some people who have worked and paid into the system for many years may not live long enough to get benefits. Thus, extending work hours shouldn't be required; instead, people should do it if they feel well enough to do so. Recreational pursuits, travel, time with the grandchildren are all intended to be part of retirement. They cannot appreciate life if they are broken down and in anguish.
I also think that it would be much better for someone who has turned 60. to have the option of whether to take retirement or choose to continue working for an additional few years as agreed. So that people who have the desire to retire at the age of 60 will not feel disappointed if there are options they can choose. and those wishing to remain employed will also not be disappointed as there are options for extensions of employment. and I heard there is a system like this in my country. what is referred to as young retirement or early retirement, namely retirement before entering retirement age. but they still have pension benefits. it's just not as big as when they retire at the retirement age limit.

In my opinion, it all depends on each person. because people's pleasures are different in nature, for example someone who is 60 years old and he does not have a family or only lives alone, in my opinion, a person like this will prefer to continue working because of his situation who does not have a family and the friends who are in his workplace are his family so maybe I he will continue to work even though he is 60 years old.
And there are those who choose to retire at the age of 60, because they have a family and realize that their old age must be spent with their family because their pleasure is in their family, and their family is the most valuable treasure in life.
So everything has its own portion.
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France's Constitutional Council on Friday approved an unpopular plan to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64, in a victory for President Emmanuel Macron after three months of mass protests over the legislation that have damaged his leadership.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-retirement-age-raise-64-approved-constitutional-council/


This so-called measure has several benefits and drawbacks. The elder employees can benefit from their years of experience if they are retained on the job for longer, which is one advantage. The drawback of this is that many workplaces will report low performance because there is an inverse relationship between a person's success at work and their deterioration in cognitive and physical capacities.

Regardless, what I think is that the government shouldn't shove it down the throat of people. Workers who are approaching retirement age should be given a choice after appraisal to keep working or retire.

What sense does this make? Would you agree or disagree?


With the numbers given those are the ages of the people who can receive as part of the elder people which we call senior people would like to retire at that early age if they can but it depends on the kind of life what they have, if you raise already a good amount of money during that times you can now leave as you want and retire but what if not? people in the lower-low status of society can't choose this kind of life because they don't have any options they need to keep working so they can serve food every day and keep working hard for the challenge of life. Not all the time government can sustain those seniors at the end of the day it's their path of their life that make them keep alive.
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Well, let me first of all say that, I do not see a much difference between 62 and 64,  though I still understand that having to work for  2 more extra years can be really a lot and unbearable for the man or worker who have been waiting and looking forward to retiring for a long time. And this I believe is where the need for personal decision comes into play and very vital as well.

Workers own their body right? They themselves know how they feel in the inside, they know how weak they've become, they themselves know if they really need a rest or to keep going, workers are to be at liberty of choosing when to retire, a sick man 60 years old man can't possibly keep working all in the name of trying to reach the specified retirement age, he may as well possibly drop dead before he reaches the stipulated retirement age, and this totally makes no sense.
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France's Constitutional Council on Friday approved an unpopular plan to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64, in a victory for President Emmanuel Macron after three months of mass protests over the legislation that have damaged his leadership.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-retirement-age-raise-64-approved-constitutional-council/


This so-called measure has several benefits and drawbacks. The elder employees can benefit from their years of experience if they are retained on the job for longer, which is one advantage. The drawback of this is that many workplaces will report low performance because there is an inverse relationship between a person's success at work and their deterioration in cognitive and physical capacities.

Regardless, what I think is that the government shouldn't shove it down the throat of people. Workers who are approaching retirement age should be given a choice after appraisal to keep working or retire.

What sense does this make? Would you agree or disagree?


Well, honestly, I have relatives who are in government who have grown old, started working single or had no husbands until then, got married, and until they get old or retire, they are there in their service to the government.

And the benefit they got when they got their retirement fee is that they have a monthly pension of around $200, so it still makes sense the fatigue and hard work they did somehow because the money they got was given the lump sum of 50% of their pension and the other 50% is in pension every month.
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What sense does this make? Would you agree or disagree?

This decision is of course pros and cons but of course, it has been through research and so on and this is also happening in my country, especially in civil servants and also the military, it is increasing but I don't know for sure whether it has been implemented and it is still several years faster than in France, and looking at the newspapers that the retirement age in France is still different compared to the average in other European countries at around 64-65 years, and because it has only been increased by two years, this should not be a problem because adjustments can be made quickly.
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Retirement is the period of time someone that has been working his whole life uses to enjoy his years of active service and extending it means the person has to almost work with the whole of his active life and will have little or nothing left after retirement.

I know that it is just a difference of two years but for some, it means a whole lot . I think the suggestion you gave is very valid because the desire to continue in active service after the normal retirement age should be totally left for the person retiring to make .
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what I think is that the government shouldn't shove it down the throat of people. Workers who are approaching retirement age should be given a choice after appraisal to keep working or retire.
one of the reason why we don't see much vacancy I recent is because most people have refused to retire and give way to the younger folks to piloting the affairs I firms and organisations. Increasing tye retirement age for workers won't do them any good, for crying out loud, you've worked for 40+ years and you are already in your 60s what do you still want in the service?

If you give most people the option of retiring or to continue working, they will comfortably choose not to retire because most of them don't even have an investment to run back to and they are not even sue that their pension would be paid to them at the end of their service year.
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People should be allowed to decide if they want to continue working or not because most people retire without any achievement  it has  resulted to different cases of forging ages just to sustain and last long on the job so government should allow workers to be optional on this because many retire and find it difficult to survive
We're all allowed to choose whether we want to pursue working or not. But in most cases of government jobs and even in the corporate, there's a retirement age for most employees.
Whilst for executives, they don't have retirement age and they can just pass it on to anyone that think is qualified to work on the task for their position.
Otherwise, retirement is for everyone if they think that they're on that age.
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