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The thing that is often a problem for us is retirement age, sometimes when entering retirement age they have a very good skill and experience so that when retiring then they can work in private companies and even abroad. This is an important lesson for us that if we want to be happy then we must always increase expertise.
most of the people feel very helpless and sad when they are retired. And in my opinion the retired people are more productive and more helpful then youngsters. They have no tantrums to show because they have lived their lives
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The retirement age is much higher in other European countries; usually it's approximately 64 or 65 years old; in Greece, however, it's 67, which I personally believe is too much. I admire the French people's fight; although two more years might not seem much for us, as the retirement age is already quite low compared to the EU's average, the French are fighting to avoid any potential further increase in the future or other measures taken against them. Seeing that they didn't react to the first one, why not increase it further?
There are several objective reasons for raising the retirement age in European countries. In Europe, as well as in the world as a whole, the average life expectancy is gradually increasing. There is also a general trend towards an increase in the number of pensioners. Therefore, the increase in the retirement age occurs almost everywhere.
  In Ukraine, the retirement age depends on the number of years of work experience. If a person has more than 30 years of work experience, he has the right to retire at 60 years of age. If less, then at 63 or 65 years old. If he has not gained the minimum number of years of work experience even at the age of 65, then he can only count on social assistance, and not on a pension, which hardly covers even the minimum needs. I think that in France the conditions for retirement and the retirement age will change more than once.

Is the average human lifespan increasing? In my opinion, on the contrary, our life expectancy is decreasing day by day because of the impact of the environment, dirty food, as well as our living habits, are getting worse and worse. I think that the reason for the increase in retirement age is that European countries have a large number of old people and people who are about to retire. And the government itself does not seem to want to spend too much on subsidies for these people, even though they have sacrificed their lives to dedicate and work.
Difficult living conditions in previous centuries, including manual working conditions, almost no medicine, and as a result - periodic epidemics, constant wars of conquest, as well as a number of other factors were the reasons that a hundred years ago very few people lived to be 45 years old. age. On the Internet you can find more detailed information about this. This is how the data on life expectancy by years in Europe looks like:
1701-1750 35 years
1751-1800 35-37 years old
1801-1850 38-39 years old
1851-1900 40-45 years old.
  Of course, the ecology and food quality have now fallen, but they do not really affect these statistics.
In 2021, life expectancy in the European Union was 80.1 years, according to the European statistics agency Eurostat, but these data are slightly lower than in 2020 and 2019, probably influenced by an increase in mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic.
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The retirement age is much higher in other European countries; usually it's approximately 64 or 65 years old; in Greece, however, it's 67, which I personally believe is too much. I admire the French people's fight; although two more years might not seem much for us, as the retirement age is already quite low compared to the EU's average, the French are fighting to avoid any potential further increase in the future or other measures taken against them. Seeing that they didn't react to the first one, why not increase it further?
There are several objective reasons for raising the retirement age in European countries. In Europe, as well as in the world as a whole, the average life expectancy is gradually increasing. There is also a general trend towards an increase in the number of pensioners. Therefore, the increase in the retirement age occurs almost everywhere.
  In Ukraine, the retirement age depends on the number of years of work experience. If a person has more than 30 years of work experience, he has the right to retire at 60 years of age. If less, then at 63 or 65 years old. If he has not gained the minimum number of years of work experience even at the age of 65, then he can only count on social assistance, and not on a pension, which hardly covers even the minimum needs. I think that in France the conditions for retirement and the retirement age will change more than once.

Is the average human lifespan increasing? In my opinion, on the contrary, our life expectancy is decreasing day by day because of the impact of the environment, dirty food, as well as our living habits, are getting worse and worse. I think that the reason for the increase in retirement age is that European countries have a large number of old people and people who are about to retire. And the government itself does not seem to want to spend too much on subsidies for these people, even though they have sacrificed their lives to dedicate and work.
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The retirement age is much higher in other European countries; usually it's approximately 64 or 65 years old; in Greece, however, it's 67, which I personally believe is too much. I admire the French people's fight; although two more years might not seem much for us, as the retirement age is already quite low compared to the EU's average, the French are fighting to avoid any potential further increase in the future or other measures taken against them. Seeing that they didn't react to the first one, why not increase it further?
There are several objective reasons for raising the retirement age in European countries. In Europe, as well as in the world as a whole, the average life expectancy is gradually increasing. There is also a general trend towards an increase in the number of pensioners. Therefore, the increase in the retirement age occurs almost everywhere.
  In Ukraine, the retirement age depends on the number of years of work experience. If a person has more than 30 years of work experience, he has the right to retire at 60 years of age. If less, then at 63 or 65 years old. If he has not gained the minimum number of years of work experience even at the age of 65, then he can only count on social assistance, and not on a pension, which hardly covers even the minimum needs. I think that in France the conditions for retirement and the retirement age will change more than once.
in different countries there is different retiermet age in different countries. But in our country there is not a specific age for retirment.
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The retirement age is much higher in other European countries; usually it's approximately 64 or 65 years old; in Greece, however, it's 67, which I personally believe is too much. I admire the French people's fight; although two more years might not seem much for us, as the retirement age is already quite low compared to the EU's average, the French are fighting to avoid any potential further increase in the future or other measures taken against them. Seeing that they didn't react to the first one, why not increase it further?
There are several objective reasons for raising the retirement age in European countries. In Europe, as well as in the world as a whole, the average life expectancy is gradually increasing. There is also a general trend towards an increase in the number of pensioners. Therefore, the increase in the retirement age occurs almost everywhere.
  In Ukraine, the retirement age depends on the number of years of work experience. If a person has more than 30 years of work experience, he has the right to retire at 60 years of age. If less, then at 63 or 65 years old. If he has not gained the minimum number of years of work experience even at the age of 65, then he can only count on social assistance, and not on a pension, which hardly covers even the minimum needs. I think that in France the conditions for retirement and the retirement age will change more than once.
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Setting a retirement age for workers makes a lot of sense, it has to be an inevitable gesture of the government to Set this standard, their should be a retirement age for workers in other to accommodate the younger graduates this should also affect but the private sector, considering what is happening today somany country mostly African countries in particular can no longer sustain their economy and this has affected but their workforce,the available vacancies are now given to people that either lobby or has somebody that will speak on their behalf in other to get the job this is also applicable to people that have been in active service for over 50 years this set of old folks go to office of those that are in position to retire them to bribe or do whatever they are been told to do in other to extend their service irrespective of how old they are and at such depriving the energetic ones the opportunity to render their services. instead of giving them options I will advice that they should employ the younger ones pay this retirees a little stuff since they are on pension so that they will teach they will pass their wealth of experience to them that's if their is any.
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The thing that is often a problem for us is retirement age, sometimes when entering retirement age they have a very good skill and experience so that when retiring then they can work in private companies and even abroad. This is an important lesson for us that if we want to be happy then we must always increase expertise.
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We are supposed to enjoy more of our lives when we retire so it's really hard to imagine seeing many of our elders continue to work not because they still have the urge to do it but because they need the money. In my country, 60 years old is the retirement age although they can still continue to work if they wanted to since our forced retirement is at 66.

I quit my regular job 6 years ago. Although after a few years of enjoying and traveling everywhere I like, I am back to looking for ways to earn a regular income due to the COVID pandemic. I still have no regrets that I quit my regular job since I am confident that I can establish another successful business soon. I'm loving the freedom of my time especially since I am a night owl. I cannot imagine anymore waking up at 5 AM or 6 AM in order to be in the office before 8 AM. And there is also that stressful overtime where most of the time I never received extra payments.
retired people are very punctual and considerated abiut their work because that is what they have the whole life.
but they are not much familiar with tech on the othet hand new generation is more in tech but they are not punctual and focused
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We are supposed to enjoy more of our lives when we retire so it's really hard to imagine seeing many of our elders continue to work not because they still have the urge to do it but because they need the money. In my country, 60 years old is the retirement age although they can still continue to work if they wanted to since our forced retirement is at 66.

I quit my regular job 6 years ago. Although after a few years of enjoying and traveling everywhere I like, I am back to looking for ways to earn a regular income due to the COVID pandemic. I still have no regrets that I quit my regular job since I am confident that I can establish another successful business soon. I'm loving the freedom of my time especially since I am a night owl. I cannot imagine anymore waking up at 5 AM or 6 AM in order to be in the office before 8 AM. And there is also that stressful overtime where most of the time I never received extra payments.
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If this is for government civil work, of course there must be a limit for retirement, even if they retire, of course, their experience is very much needed so that they can be placed in special training so that what they get can be immediately adopted by the next generation or successors.
Civil servants who are retired do not necessarily have to share their experiences with other people or with civil servants who are still actively working because usually civil servants who retire are due to their old age and even if they want to be used in training places it will not be very effective because usually people who are too old, the way of teaching will be slightly different from those who are still not retired. So there is no need to force someone who has retired to share his experience through a training because retirement is a time to rest for him.
Yes, I agree that retired civil servants, on average, are old, rarely take early retirement.
And indeed, when civil servants with various experiences as knowledge only stick to their historical stories with dead-end explanations or just boasting about themselves, I often find such retired civil servants in my environment.
Of course this will be in contrast to young people who have a need for accelerated education, in my opinion, it will not be effective and will certainly be far from the target it should be.
So it's better if this is the case that the working retirement age limit is closer to me, like at the age of 45-55 years who are regarded as humans who have the maturity and maturity to share experiences with younger ones.
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This change is certainly very burdensome for retirees because their retired age is certainly old and their performance has certainly decreased so that they will not get maximum results, so from here I think there is no benefit because the work period they have missed has been very long and all the experience they have gained and at the age of entering 62 years is old and it's time to rest so there is no need to add more, So it is very natural that many protest.
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This very far from the standard of productive age but,  I'm confused even though the working period for retirement is definitely different for each. For my country if he is a educators (Teachers) the retirement age limit is 60 years and for ordinary employees it is 58 years old.

But what you convey is true, the government through their staffing agency there should review it by making policies and regulating this matter in a relevant manner and giving awards for services to those who have dedicated time and knowledge to the country.
It depends many people are very productive after retirment
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This very far from the standard of productive age but,  I'm confused even though the working period for retirement is definitely different for each. For my country if he is a educators (Teachers) the retirement age limit is 60 years and for ordinary employees it is 58 years old.

But what you convey is true, the government through their staffing agency there should review it by making policies and regulating this matter in a relevant manner and giving awards for services to those who have dedicated time and knowledge to the country.
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Regardless, what I think is that the government shouldn't shove it down the throat of people. Workers who are approaching retirement age should be given a choice after appraisal to keep working or retire.

What sense does this make? Would you agree or disagree?

even bill gates and steve wozniak said honestly that their abilities in old age are now declining, it's different from when they were young, especially since coding continues to progress, so both of them prefer to retire and only get involved behind the scenes.

from the story above, it is clear that a decline in performance will occur as age gets older, so there is nothing wrong with setting the retirement age for workers, and we cannot deny that there are many young people looking for work every day, with the setting of pension rules, their opportunities to compete in the world of work are also wide open.
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Yes I think there should be an age for retirement.People who work for 20/25 years in various companies and government jobs.At some point they become old and they can't retain their previous work skills.I think there should be an age for retirement.By doing this they will be able to spend some time with their family and alone after their working life.I think they should go to retirement and they will spend the rest of their lives on their pension money.
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France's Constitutional Council on Friday approved an unpopular plan to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64, in a victory for President Emmanuel Macron after three months of mass protests over the legislation that have damaged his leadership.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-retirement-age-raise-64-approved-constitutional-council/


This so-called measure has several benefits and drawbacks. The elder employees can benefit from their years of experience if they are retained on the job for longer, which is one advantage. The drawback of this is that many workplaces will report low performance because there is an inverse relationship between a person's success at work and their deterioration in cognitive and physical capacities.

Regardless, what I think is that the government shouldn't shove it down the throat of people. Workers who are approaching retirement age should be given a choice after appraisal to keep working or retire.

What sense does this make? Would you agree or disagree?

Well if there's is no health issue or if the worker can still work then the worker should have a choice to continue or stop working, in my past company( in the garment factory) they need an limit fast worker is what they needed with a clear eye sight and we all know older than 60 to 65 years old is not fast as 18 to 40 years old so they don't have a choice, but there are so many works that old people can do so to be fair to those who still wanted to work the company should give thier worker a choice to leave or to stay at work.
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The problem of pensions is of course something that the state must do so that there is a better change, of course people who are going to retire must provide or transfer experience, the best thing to transfer experience of course depends on the situation, if the candidate for retirement has a lot of experience then you can transfer 3 years before retirement.
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Yes I think that they should give a choice for their employees specially if they had been in the company for a long time,
but at the same time I see why they want them to retire as knowledgeable as they are due to their long term work experience being old also have it's negative side: getting slower at work, and of course they also care about the accuracy what if they starts to be forgetful? and not to forget about the health risk.
many people who retire and are in good want to work they feel bad for not being able to work - had I been the one who would decide I would reemployee people who are retired and are in good health
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Yes I think that they should give a choice for their employees specially if they had been in the company for a long time,
but at the same time I see why they want them to retire as knowledgeable as they are due to their long term work experience being old also have it's negative side: getting slower at work, and of course they also care about the accuracy what if they starts to be forgetful? and not to forget about the health risk.
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Just like we have drawbacks with extension of retirement age there are also benefits and which side of the dice it falls on depends on the individual in question. A worker who is aged 60-65years and still open to innovation, creativity, new ideas can be more productive than a younger worker who is naive 
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