Topic: Retirement Age for Workers - Does this Make Sense? - page 5. (Read 1422 times)

If you know that the retirement age is an old age, maybe you won't think that they can work again in private companies or go abroad to work again. Because all parties in the company do not only look at skills and experience in terms of hiring new employees into the company. But the company will also see how old he is and how he is in life so that his loyalty considerations can be very clear, because someone who is old will certainly tire more easily when he has to work under pressure where there is even overtime made by the company.

So this is not only about experience and skills, but also about one's energy and health which is also an important point for companies willing to accept new employees. But I don't understand how you think about this that still thinks they can work at their old age.

I want more specific and detailed reasons for this when you say retirees are more productive and more useful than young people. Because basically those who have retired were also young in their past, so it is impossible for the government or private parties to use them when they are seen as useless or useless. And if you think that young people are useless or useless, that means you have to wake up all the old people who have been bedridden to manage the country and also the economy.

For me, that doesn't really make sense because whatever you feel and see around you, young people are the next generation in every country because they are the ones who will replace their retired parents. And if you still see young people who can't do anything in their lives, it's the parents' job to direct them to the right path so that they can be useful in the future like those who have retired. But I really don't understand why you call young people useless in this matter.

If the retirement age is increased it will be more losses compared to benefits, because pensioners who are already 62 have decreased performance especially they are already at 64, then this is a decision that must be considered by the government council, especially now that there are very many people who have taken higher education but they cannot be part of the government, So this also has to be thought about by the government because they are still young and it would be better if they develop a draft that has been set by the government, so I disagree with the decision.

I personally dislike working in full time job until the age of 60. Its something "insane" in my opinion. Its wage slavery at max level for sure. We, laborers, should focus on making good amount of income to guarantee our future through savings and investments and retire early. Much earlier. Probably around the age 45 at MAX. Otherwise your life quality will quickly die. But as liberal, I can't say everyone should retire early. Early retirements can disrupt many economies because it creates masses who live on retirement wage and do nothing. You should be able to work or invest and help other people start businesses.

I think the retirement age should be increased, in my country the retirement age for government jobs is around 65 years and private jobs are 60 years, of course retirement is something that can make everyone feel happy because they can enjoy the results of work without having to work, but as a retiree who has a lot of experience, before retiring, you must be able to provide knowledge to juniors.

Indeed, every country has a different age level in determining the time of retirement. And usually this is based on the fitness level of the majority of people in that country at that age. And this is also assessed based on their effectiveness in carrying out the work. if at the age of 60-65 their effectiveness at work has decreased dramatically then of course it is very appropriate to determine the retirement age limit at that age. But in every country the level of human fitness and health is not the same. like in japan it seems the fitness level of people is much longer. because I see parents there have an extraordinary level of health due to a healthy lifestyle and discipline. So in Japan the retirement age which was originally up to 60 has been increased to 65 years.

I agree that there should be some assessment of whether an old employee is good for retirement already or be allowed to keep on working. I guess each private company or even the government can do this in favor of those that have serviced them for the longest time.
That's the best benefit that they can give to them especially when they've contributed a lot to them. Being a worker for a long time and giving the best effort that they can be is unmeasurable. Although it's part of their job the loyalty itself is already a big deal to every individual and to companies that do appreciate it. So, depending on the capacity and the likes of the worker, if they think they can still work, allow them but if the company thinks that they're good for their retirement, give them a choice and if they chooses to retire then give all the benefits.

I completely agree because increasing the retirement age is not a good idea because everyone starts working at a young age, so this an old age is the best time to have their own time to rest and and have a peaceful time with the family. Also, when people reach their own old age, they should be allowed to rest because that is not the right time for them to continue to struggle in this life.

     -  There are people who have the mindset that when they retire they will have a large amount of money available from the company they have served for decades. When they receive a pension every month, they are happy. And the other is that if they don't want a pension, they will make a lumpsum so they can build their own house and start a business and buy a car.

There is nothing wrong with whatever reason they have for retirement other than they are old or elderly. It's just that sometimes you think that they won't be able to enjoy whatever they can invest in after they retire because the only thing that will benefit a lot and be happy is to inherit what they worked for, we who have retired will not be able to enjoy that anymore though for us. that's fine and that's for the ones we love. This is the only thing I saw in my other relatives.

most of the people feel very helpless and sad when they are retired. And in my opinion the retired people are more productive and more helpful then youngsters. They have no tantrums to show because they have lived their lives

Difficult living conditions in previous centuries, including manual working conditions, almost no medicine, and as a result - periodic epidemics, constant wars of conquest, as well as a number of other factors were the reasons that a hundred years ago very few people lived to be 45 years old. age. On the Internet you can find more detailed information about this. This is how the data on life expectancy by years in Europe looks like:
1701-1750 35 years
1751-1800 35-37 years old
1801-1850 38-39 years old
1851-1900 40-45 years old.
  Of course, the ecology and food quality have now fallen, but they do not really affect these statistics.
In 2021, life expectancy in the European Union was 80.1 years, according to the European statistics agency Eurostat, but these data are slightly lower than in 2020 and 2019, probably influenced by an increase in mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Is the average human lifespan increasing? In my opinion, on the contrary, our life expectancy is decreasing day by day because of the impact of the environment, dirty food, as well as our living habits, are getting worse and worse. I think that the reason for the increase in retirement age is that European countries have a large number of old people and people who are about to retire. And the government itself does not seem to want to spend too much on subsidies for these people, even though they have sacrificed their lives to dedicate and work.

in different countries there is different retiermet age in different countries. But in our country there is not a specific age for retirment.

There are several objective reasons for raising the retirement age in European countries. In Europe, as well as in the world as a whole, the average life expectancy is gradually increasing. There is also a general trend towards an increase in the number of pensioners. Therefore, the increase in the retirement age occurs almost everywhere.
  In Ukraine, the retirement age depends on the number of years of work experience. If a person has more than 30 years of work experience, he has the right to retire at 60 years of age. If less, then at 63 or 65 years old. If he has not gained the minimum number of years of work experience even at the age of 65, then he can only count on social assistance, and not on a pension, which hardly covers even the minimum needs. I think that in France the conditions for retirement and the retirement age will change more than once.

Setting a retirement age for workers makes a lot of sense, it has to be an inevitable gesture of the government to Set this standard, their should be a retirement age for workers in other to accommodate the younger graduates this should also affect but the private sector, considering what is happening today somany country mostly African countries in particular can no longer sustain their economy and this has affected but their workforce,the available vacancies are now given to people that either lobby or has somebody that will speak on their behalf in other to get the job this is also applicable to people that have been in active service for over 50 years this set of old folks go to office of those that are in position to retire them to bribe or do whatever they are been told to do in other to extend their service irrespective of how old they are and at such depriving the energetic ones the opportunity to render their services. instead of giving them options I will advice that they should employ the younger ones pay this retirees a little stuff since they are on pension so that they will teach they will pass their wealth of experience to them that's if their is any.

The thing that is often a problem for us is retirement age, sometimes when entering retirement age they have a very good skill and experience so that when retiring then they can work in private companies and even abroad. This is an important lesson for us that if we want to be happy then we must always increase expertise.

retired people are very punctual and considerated abiut their work because that is what they have the whole life.
but they are not much familiar with tech on the othet hand new generation is more in tech but they are not punctual and focused

We are supposed to enjoy more of our lives when we retire so it's really hard to imagine seeing many of our elders continue to work not because they still have the urge to do it but because they need the money. In my country, 60 years old is the retirement age although they can still continue to work if they wanted to since our forced retirement is at 66.

I quit my regular job 6 years ago. Although after a few years of enjoying and traveling everywhere I like, I am back to looking for ways to earn a regular income due to the COVID pandemic. I still have no regrets that I quit my regular job since I am confident that I can establish another successful business soon. I'm loving the freedom of my time especially since I am a night owl. I cannot imagine anymore waking up at 5 AM or 6 AM in order to be in the office before 8 AM. And there is also that stressful overtime where most of the time I never received extra payments.

Yes, I agree that retired civil servants, on average, are old, rarely take early retirement.
And indeed, when civil servants with various experiences as knowledge only stick to their historical stories with dead-end explanations or just boasting about themselves, I often find such retired civil servants in my environment.
Of course this will be in contrast to young people who have a need for accelerated education, in my opinion, it will not be effective and will certainly be far from the target it should be.
So it's better if this is the case that the working retirement age limit is closer to me, like at the age of 45-55 years who are regarded as humans who have the maturity and maturity to share experiences with younger ones.

This change is certainly very burdensome for retirees because their retired age is certainly old and their performance has certainly decreased so that they will not get maximum results, so from here I think there is no benefit because the work period they have missed has been very long and all the experience they have gained and at the age of entering 62 years is old and it's time to rest so there is no need to add more, So it is very natural that many protest.

It depends many people are very productive after retirment