Topic: @RogerVer lets make a deal. At least 60k, my BTU for your BTC. - page 20. (Read 64924 times)

I am so sick and tired of people's fears pushing them to change Bitcoin into a different Alt coin. Let Bitcoin remain the way it was created as a TESTament to Satoshi. SATOSHI wanted 1 MB blocks, not 2MB or unlimited block-size.

Let's see how Bitcoin performs against all the Alt coins many years later.

If people start using another coin for micro transactions SO WHAT! Everything has its place.

These miners aren't hungry, they're greedy. Levelling the playing field will change that. The current miners already have too much, you have it entirely backwards

You have several thousands of shitcoins with various algos to chose. Privileged position? Miners are dirty workers, pay them more they will follow you.

In any situation where there are BTCs and BTUs to swap, I will swap everything into BTC. Is that clear?

I think that everyone sitting here calling Ver all sorts of names is quite disrespectful, quite the same as a bunch of libtards running around calling Trump a racist child molester, have some respect...

As far as signing an address with over 40k BTC, well, if I had that much BTC I highly doubt I would have it stored that centralized in a single address. I would probably have it distributed in a bunch of cold addresses containing 100-1000 BTC each..

I think it would be nice for Ver to sign a staked address of some sort with acceptance of the deal proving it's him and making it official, but what reason do any of you really have to doubt that it is Ver himself and not an impostor?

I opined that I don't think Ver will take the deal because I don't think it's a good deal for him, I think it is likely he could do better on the open market, but this deal being done by Ver and Loaded, plus anyone else that wants to join, is very good for Bitcoion ad BU..
If this amount of BTC/BTU can be swapped off market that is a whole lot less of each that will get dumped after the split helping both retain more value after the fact which is good for me because I'll probably just sit on my private keys for a while and see what happens, so this many coins out of the hands of dumpers is very good for my strategy..

Here's a lot of respect to both Loaded and Ver for their displays of conviction..
If I was Ver I might leave you all hanging on a string too, let the haters hate and just make me more famous, tease em for a bit..

Myself I don't think I personally stand with either BU or Segwit, I think they both have their merits and it's a shame they can't come together and implement both IMO..
I don't really want to see big blocks but no new tech, or new tech and not bigger blocks, I would much rather see bigger blocks without a hardcoded limit AND new tech..
I think a hardcoded blocksize limit is far from ideal as it pretty much guarantees another fight over a fork sometime in the future when we again need to scale..
LN, great, but I don't see that being very good for the average user like me..

It is what it is, I just hope you all pull your heads out of your asses before you destroy this grand experiment..

Actually, coinbase and bitpay are advocating that the majority chain also mine empty blocks on the minority chain to kill it intentionally (in order to prevent a confusing split).
Minority chain would have to HF its PoW to continue.  This would allow them to reset the difficulty but existing wallets would not be compatible with the minority alt coin, I assume.

Give it up jonald


Changing the PoW should happen, too many miners have demonstrated they don't deserve their privileged position. But being forced isn't going to happen, pre-emptive graduated PoW change is the least disruptive way to do it, and I'm going to be making sure that everyone knows the major advantages to Bitcoin pre-emptively changing PoW will bring.


Your scare tactics won't work, your modus operandi has run it's course. No-one is ever going to accept an external hard-fork "improvement" attempt now, 3 times failed should be enough to prove that.


The emergency hard-fork is for genuine emergencies only, you've cried wolf too many times

As long as there is a clause that states you can bailout anytime, just like loaded?
If there is a fork to Unlimited with ~80% hash power, leaving 20% mining Core, are you still all in?

If there was an immediate block size increase activation with an Unlimited fork, then there would be no loss of confirmed tx's per second
No noticeable change to the network usability. Difficulty adjustment will occur within about 17 days.

If Core continue with 20%, blocks will take 5 times longer to find, about 50 minutes each block. Still on 1mb, tx confirmation will be about 20% of now.
Fees will skyrocket, many tx's will never confirm. Difficulty adjustment will occur within about two and a half months.

Just because you are a Core supporter, doesn't change these facts.
Will you (and all the other's saying they will swap their Unlimited bitcoin for Roger's Core bitcoin) commit to swapping under these circumstances?
This is after all how Bitcoin was always meant to work.

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vvv Give it up Banks vvv

Anyone Who know anything about bitcoin knows difficulty is king.
Changing difficulty is admitting defeat. Off topic here.
Difficulty gives Bitcoin security, which give it value. Good luck with that "easily attacked" coin.

im sure Roger will reply as he already stated he's interested.

OP, if the minority chain is forced to change PoW, would that change the deal?

You wont get any reply, bcoz he is just Bluffing. He wanted to create Panic. But he just failed when you showed up.

WELL DONE!!

I have yet to receive any contact. Will be on vacation with spotty internet until Monday.

The next logical step for Ver would be to sign
A message with a wallet containing
40.000 btc minimum.
To prove he is for real.
Roger shows this on his twitter.
And loaded wil contact roger.
That would be the most forward
Way if dealing.
Roger can fake telling he could not
Reach loaded.
But by signing a message on the blockchain loaded must response.
Now roger did only say things but no action as loaded to tell he is for real.

Why do it this way?
Because its bitcoin and bitcoin is ttustless

We see after the weekend
He should set up a wallet like loaded and sign a message.
to see he is for real.
I only will be satisfied when i see a signed announcement on his twitter.
with a wallet with at least 40.000 BTC....
like loaded did.
and no excuses , only math and signing well help him here.

Thanks for the update.

Fingers crossed he's stubborn enough to go all the way. I'm all in.

Is that your girl Le Pen there in the middle?  She's off on a date with Putin.  I wonder if Putin and Trump know the meaning of menage a trois.

It takes some time to work out the details on a deal this size. My first e-mail to Roger Ver bounced, apparently he had over 10k e-mails spam attack last few days. But my second e-mail got through. He's hoping to connect to Loaded this weekend, so no conclusion yet, but he did not decline the offer for a pool to participate in the deal. Let's just give it some more time and see.

He has time to whine on reddit that Ben Davenport is tired of his nonsense https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/618ant/ben_davenport_have_i_ever_said_anything/

Doesn't have time for a $150M business opportunity doe.

Exactly, Roger Ver is a hypocrite and I hope one day his bitcoin will be hacked. His nick defames real Jesus, because Roger is just a scumbag.

Nope! He is a pu**y. Big mouth, lying whenever he can and that's it!
He has become a complete joke over the last 2-3 years!
And to be honest I don't expect him to agree to that deal.He knows himself how shitty and full of bugs his BU crap is.Nobody serious will follow that guy.Nobody!!!

well i gotta admit someone has provably thrown down the gauntlet with $40 Mil, if Ver really believed in BU he would have no problem takeing the next step to follow through or meet the bluff which he has not done.

This he has not done yet and so establishes beyond a shadow of doubt he does not back BU as much as he does BTC [Core]