Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on May 04, 2022, 06:57:51 PM

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Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.

I think, Putin is regretting for the bad decision he took to attacked Ukraine resources which other countries are not happy about the attacked that happened few months ago that put Ukraine economy into trouble. Russian citizens are really feeling the sanction NATO imposed to Russian that is making Russian government to lose billions every week that is making their companies to start experiencing losses from their distribution both domestic and international. Based on the intervention of other countries, I believe Russian will definitely embrace peace to withdraw the launch they are planning to launch to Ukraine resources.

this is interesting to see what will happen for the next couple of months. both sides are heavily losing their weaponry as well as its people. maybe, is it time to put down their ego and talk peacefully. i am thinking that zelensky is just waitng for putin to change his mind and stop this war. he is amenable for whatever will be better for both countries.
so yeah, hopefully we will see some changes in the next couple of months.

Russians are used to isolation and poverty so I'm not sure how we could see them feeling the sanctions since by the looks of it their economy is rising. Of course it could just be because they are using the gas and oil to increase ruble demand but in the end, the resources of Ukraine will be useful for Putin to support them.

I don't see them going to have a talk anymore unless US allows Ukraine to make negotiation. It's not up to Zelensky. The peace talks depends to US if they still send weapons to Ukraine, that means war will not end.

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Quote from: Sebas.tian on May 04, 2022, 04:27:58 AM

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Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.

I think, Putin is regretting for the bad decision he took to attacked Ukraine resources which other countries are not happy about the attacked that happened few months ago that put Ukraine economy into trouble. Russian citizens are really feeling the sanction NATO imposed to Russian that is making Russian government to lose billions every week that is making their companies to start experiencing losses from their distribution both domestic and international. Based on the intervention of other countries, I believe Russian will definitely embrace peace to withdraw the launch they are planning to launch to Ukraine resources.

this is interesting to see what will happen for the next couple of months. both sides are heavily losing their weaponry as well as its people. maybe, is it time to put down their ego and talk peacefully. i am thinking that zelensky is just waitng for putin to change his mind and stop this war. he is amenable for whatever will be better for both countries.
so yeah, hopefully we will see some changes in the next couple of months.

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And what about Russia? Quality of life in Russia? Where do people live better, in France, Germany, Switzerland, Netherland or in Russia? Majority of Russians have a low quality of life, there isn't good life outside of Moscow and Saint Peterburg, am I wrong? Only these two cities, especially Moscow, are good.

So what? Russia always had a low quality of life when compared to Western Europe. The main reason is that despite being a major producer of the natural resources, Russia has never tried to become a manufacturer of finished goods. The corrupt politicians and oligarchs have benefitted from this trade and they have looted the national wealth over the past decades. And ironically, the same oligarchs are the hardest hit from the sanctions. Their houses and yachts are being seized. Ordinary Russians are not affected as much as these oligarchs.

I agree with you. Now only oligarchs are losing their property, ordinary people do not suffer losses. I think that the Russian government took the right measures and was able to protect the population of Russia. The situation turned out to be quite the opposite -the one who invented them suffers from sanctions. Why is this happening everyone understands.

You can’t even imagine how grateful Russia is to the West for this huge service in the form of sanctions imposed on it. This is something that could not be done by the efforts of internal politics without causing a split in society and strong unrest. The West did it from the outside, mainly to its own detriment (at least if we are talking about Europe), and the people of Russia only rallied more strongly. The tremendous misunderstanding of the Russian mentality played a cruel joke on the West.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 03, 2022, 08:34:17 PM

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And what about Russia? Quality of life in Russia? Where do people live better, in France, Germany, Switzerland, Netherland or in Russia? Majority of Russians have a low quality of life, there isn't good life outside of Moscow and Saint Peterburg, am I wrong? Only these two cities, especially Moscow, are good.

So what? Russia always had a low quality of life when compared to Western Europe. The main reason is that despite being a major producer of the natural resources, Russia has never tried to become a manufacturer of finished goods. The corrupt politicians and oligarchs have benefitted from this trade and they have looted the national wealth over the past decades. And ironically, the same oligarchs are the hardest hit from the sanctions. Their houses and yachts are being seized. Ordinary Russians are not affected as much as these oligarchs.

I agree with you. Now only oligarchs are losing their property, ordinary people do not suffer losses. I think that the Russian government took the right measures and was able to protect the population of Russia. The situation turned out to be quite the opposite -the one who invented them suffers from sanctions. Why is this happening everyone understands.

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Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.

I think, Putin is regretting for the bad decision he took to attacked Ukraine resources which other countries are not happy about the attacked that happened few months ago that put Ukraine economy into trouble. Russian citizens are really feeling the sanction NATO imposed to Russian that is making Russian government to lose billions every week that is making their companies to start experiencing losses from their distribution both domestic and international. Based on the intervention of other countries, I believe Russian will definitely embrace peace to withdraw the launch they are planning to launch to Ukraine resources.

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And what about Russia? Quality of life in Russia? Where do people live better, in France, Germany, Switzerland, Netherland or in Russia? Majority of Russians have a low quality of life, there isn't good life outside of Moscow and Saint Peterburg, am I wrong? Only these two cities, especially Moscow, are good.

So what? Russia always had a low quality of life when compared to Western Europe. The main reason is that despite being a major producer of the natural resources, Russia has never tried to become a manufacturer of finished goods. The corrupt politicians and oligarchs have benefitted from this trade and they have looted the national wealth over the past decades. And ironically, the same oligarchs are the hardest hit from the sanctions. Their houses and yachts are being seized. Ordinary Russians are not affected as much as these oligarchs.

You're not right. The reason for total poverty is in the domestic policy of the USSR/Russia. A citizen of the country has never been considered a value, it was and remains a resource. A resource that, for a minimum handout, is obliged to be afraid of the authorities (this is the main thing), has no rights and freedoms because it is evil, is obliged to work for a penny, is obliged to remain silent and "rejoice" at that very minimum handout. Since the time of the USSR, people have been hammered into the concept - "to live well is bad, the main thing is to love the party and the motherland, and give yourself completely in the fight against the whole world, because everyone is jealous of us and wants to capture us." Fortunately, you did not live in the USSR, but I was "lucky", believe me - you are unlikely to find a more vile and anti-human system!

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Quote from: Synchronice on May 03, 2022, 05:41:39 PM

Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Because Europeans don't want to leave their comfort zone, they prefer to stick with what's tried and works well and they are very slow to react and need very, very serious reasons to do some job. Probably, they weren't really expecting that.

The war is still going on and if the EU continues to impose new sanctions, I think Europe will continue to suffer more severe consequences than Russia. Gas prices continue to rise and it is the people of the EU who suffer, not the leaders.

On April 27, Russia completely closed the supply of natural gas to Poland and Bulgaria, according to sources Poland is still using Russian gas through Germany. Shows that EU countries are still stuck in sanctions against Russia and still do not have an alternative to supply from Russia.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gazprom-says-poland-still-buying-123824234.html

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Quote from: Synchronice on May 03, 2022, 05:41:39 PM

And what about Russia? Quality of life in Russia? Where do people live better, in France, Germany, Switzerland, Netherland or in Russia? Majority of Russians have a low quality of life, there isn't good life outside of Moscow and Saint Peterburg, am I wrong? Only these two cities, especially Moscow, are good.

So what? Russia always had a low quality of life when compared to Western Europe. The main reason is that despite being a major producer of the natural resources, Russia has never tried to become a manufacturer of finished goods. The corrupt politicians and oligarchs have benefitted from this trade and they have looted the national wealth over the past decades. And ironically, the same oligarchs are the hardest hit from the sanctions. Their houses and yachts are being seized. Ordinary Russians are not affected as much as these oligarchs.

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For many years, Russia was a colony that sold its resources cheaply, and now these sanctions hit the European economy even more painfully.

People either don't know much about the USA or they forget history, they forget that Nazi Germany held some of the greatest scientific minds in the world and the USA take more than 1,600 great Nazi German scientists, engineers, and technicians, it's known as Operation Paperclip. It's sad but people in this field aren't appreciated as they deserve. In today's USA people like Corinna Kopf, Kim Kardashian and others from this league are more appreciated. The USA is losing power and dominance.

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For many years, Russia was a colony that sold its resources cheaply, and now these sanctions hit the European economy even more painfully.

And what about Russia? Quality of life in Russia? Where do people live better, in France, Germany, Switzerland, Netherland or in Russia? Majority of Russians have a low quality of life, there isn't good life outside of Moscow and Saint Peterburg, am I wrong? Only these two cities, especially Moscow, are good.

Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Because Europeans don't want to leave their comfort zone, they prefer to stick with what's tried and works well and they are very slow to react and need very, very serious reasons to do some job. Probably, they weren't really expecting that.

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Quote from: Desmong on May 02, 2022, 06:46:42 AM

Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.

I do agree that there is a good chance that we could end up with Russialess type of energy in the future. I mean the tech is there, we just need to invest into both making it a better version of it, and also manufacture it a lot more.

Do we really think that we have to rely on any nation for the next 10+ years? Cars will be all electric, and I am sure that they will even be made out of material that will absorb sun as well, or even run further with the energy itself creates as well, so electric cars will be disregarding oil needs for a long time. We may get some from other nations for niche requirements but the fact that cars will be purely electric is more than enough.

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Quote from: Desmong on May 02, 2022, 06:46:42 AM

Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.

Again and again, the Europeans are turning out to be a bunch of idiots. The Russian oil and gas is still flowing in to other countries such as India and China. It may take a few months for the Russian producers to accept the new reality, but after that it will be business as usual. The crude oil prices have gone up by more than 150% in the last 12 months. Natural gas prices are up by more than 500%. So even by selling at a discount, the Russians are making a hefty profit. Biden is happy, as his friends in OPEC are making billions of USD every day. But the ordinary citizens of EU are going to suffer, as they need to import most of their oil and gas.

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Quote from: Desmong on May 02, 2022, 06:46:42 AM

Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.

On the time that they had launched and invasive attack then they are already that prepared on what would be the consequences or effects that they would suffer out and it had been proven out and been seen
considering on how long this war had been running which does signifies that they could really withstand sanctions in overall but there would really be coming into a point on which
it would really be having a big toll or effect into their economy.It might not or cant be seen as of this moment but if this one would go for long term then
that would be surely felt off.

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Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.

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No option for the EU would be better than Russia, The German government also recently announced that it will stop importing Russian oil from the end of this year and stop relying on gas according to the European route. But they never mentioned a replacement, who would replace the Russian oil supply for them. It seems that all they are saying is to intimidate Russia, they cannot find an alternative.

Why is she the best choice? The fact that, at the discretion of a not quite adequate ruler, he can take and stop gas supplies in winter, violating the contractual terms? And this is not the first time! And what's more - after that, there are also ultimatums to change the supply chain and payment!
What is worse, for example, oil from Norway and gas from suppliers from Asia? Or SGP hubs in the Baltics or Portugal? Risk diversification in today's situation is the best solution! Russia is a toxic country, a toxic and unpredictable supplier - do you really want to work and have a relationship with such a person?

If the United States and Europe unilaterally issued sanctions even freezing Russia's foreign currency reserves, there was no reason that Russia could not do the same. If a man holds a knife on your neck, if you have the opportunity, are you against?.

I am not from the country in the war and of course I don't support this war, I just hope it ends soon. But I believe there must be some reasons for this war, Russia is also a country that is facing many difficulties when the world turns back to them. We are not politicians so we cannot know what their calculations are, all we know is just through the media and everything has been controlled.

You are talking utter nonsense. Sanctions against the terrorist country Russia were introduced for unleashing a terrorist war against Ukraine, for the occupation of part of the territories, and the annexation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Those. it is the punishment for the crime. Do you want to say that a criminal who has been sentenced to punishment has the right to throw a knife at judges, witnesses?
And the reasons for the war are absolutely understandable - Putin is not an entirely adequate person, he imagines himself to be the "earthly incarnation of the Creator", decided that he must resurrect the USSR, and "defeat damned capitalism" with the help of "the second most powerful army" and "the strongest economy"! Don't believe? I recommend listening to his original speeches, as well as the Russian Foreign Ministry, as well as its top-level representatives, and you will see the full picture...

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Quote from: DrBeer on April 22, 2022, 02:15:04 PM

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No option for the EU would be better than Russia, The German government also recently announced that it will stop importing Russian oil from the end of this year and stop relying on gas according to the European route. But they never mentioned a replacement, who would replace the Russian oil supply for them. It seems that all they are saying is to intimidate Russia, they cannot find an alternative.

Why is she the best choice? The fact that, at the discretion of a not quite adequate ruler, he can take and stop gas supplies in winter, violating the contractual terms? And this is not the first time! And what's more - after that, there are also ultimatums to change the supply chain and payment!
What is worse, for example, oil from Norway and gas from suppliers from Asia? Or SGP hubs in the Baltics or Portugal? Risk diversification in today's situation is the best solution! Russia is a toxic country, a toxic and unpredictable supplier - do you really want to work and have a relationship with such a person?

If the United States and Europe unilaterally issued sanctions even freezing Russia's foreign currency reserves, there was no reason that Russia could not do the same. If a man holds a knife on your neck, if you have the opportunity, are you against?.

I am not from the country in the war and of course I don't support this war, I just hope it ends soon. But I believe there must be some reasons for this war, Russia is also a country that is facing many difficulties when the world turns back to them. We are not politicians so we cannot know what their calculations are, all we know is just through the media and everything has been controlled.

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I think that nobody in Europe actually believed that Putin would go into a full war with Ukraine. Maybe people now say they knew it was happening and expected it, that seems wrong to me. If the West would have known about the war than it would have been possible to prepare for the sanctions. Russia is the aggressor, they planned everything even if the plans where not accurate they could atleast prepare for the impact of the sanctions. The main problem for Europe they need the gas from Russia. Sure USA would love to sell more liquid gas to Europe, but its more expensive. We can't just ruin the economies in Europe to hurt Russia. Every sanction not only hurts the targeted country but also the country imposing the sanctions. If economy is affected too much, the people will just vote for another party that will loosen the sanctions again.

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Quote from: DrBeer on April 22, 2022, 02:15:04 PM

Quote from: DanWalker on April 21, 2022, 10:17:39 AM

No option for the EU would be better than Russia, The German government also recently announced that it will stop importing Russian oil from the end of this year and stop relying on gas according to the European route. But they never mentioned a replacement, who would replace the Russian oil supply for them. It seems that all they are saying is to intimidate Russia, they cannot find an alternative.

Why is she the best choice? The fact that, at the discretion of a not quite adequate ruler, he can take and stop gas supplies in winter, violating the contractual terms? And this is not the first time! And what's more - after that, there are also ultimatums to change the supply chain and payment!
What is worse, for example, oil from Norway and gas from suppliers from Asia? Or SGP hubs in the Baltics or Portugal? Risk diversification in today's situation is the best solution! Russia is a toxic country, a toxic and unpredictable supplier - do you really want to work and have a relationship with such a person?

You invented your fact yourself, Russia is a responsible and reliable supplier of energy resources, and even two months after the start of the operation in Ukraine, Gazprom continues to transit gas through Ukraine in accordance with its long-term contracts. The fact that Gazprom does not supply gas under short-term contracts is its permanent strategy.

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Europe will feel the heat also, at this point I just see this war as comic relief. Funny propaganda everywhere, the west dancing with Ukraine's vulnerability, EU is now asking its citizens to work from home three days a week to reduce reliance on Russia energy. Instead of finding ways to stop the war, the EU countries are running from pillar to post to punish Russia. Now its has come to sanctioning themselves. When you stay home for three days in a week you burn more gas in heating the home. When you drive slow, you pollute the environment the more.

war brought havoc to all countries, at the beginning of the war almost all countries imposed sanctions on Russia, but the proof is not Russia who has experienced the impact of the sanctions given, in fact other countries have experienced the impact of Russian sanctions, even America itself is now experiencing the impact what is extraordinary, the country that used to impose sanctions on Russia, now the country is silent, and seems to be running away from their responsibilities, it is countries with weak economies that receive a huge impact, like Indonesia, where oil prices are now soaring.

It is a pity for the people who trusted their government, but it did not want to take care of its people. Many countries are suffering from new sanctions against Russia. This is especially true for small countries with weak economies. Did you reach your result? I'm not sure about this. I see that European countries are suffering from this. Next winter we will face the biggest crisis the world has ever had.Here fit the words from the famous movie "Winter is coming!"

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Quote from: FlamingFingers on April 22, 2022, 08:58:28 AM

Europe will feel the heat also, at this point I just see this war as comic relief. Funny propaganda everywhere, the west dancing with Ukraine's vulnerability, EU is now asking its citizens to work from home three days a week to reduce reliance on Russia energy. Instead of finding ways to stop the war, the EU countries are running from pillar to post to punish Russia. Now its has come to sanctioning themselves. When you stay home for three days in a week you burn more gas in heating the home. When you drive slow, you pollute the environment the more.

Is quite a funny scene. I didn't expect myself to keep hearing about the war between Russia and Ukraine till this moment and Russia have made success in different areas including in the war and getting EU to begin to adjust their life style to suit the present reality. They going into another thing looking like the covid-19 restrictions. Working from home is not what the people in Europe expect now. I expect the war to be over this time but we are yet not seeing to that now.

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Quote from: ropyu1978 on April 22, 2022, 02:56:02 PM

Quote from: FlamingFingers on April 22, 2022, 08:58:28 AM

Europe will feel the heat also, at this point I just see this war as comic relief. Funny propaganda everywhere, the west dancing with Ukraine's vulnerability, EU is now asking its citizens to work from home three days a week to reduce reliance on Russia energy. Instead of finding ways to stop the war, the EU countries are running from pillar to post to punish Russia. Now its has come to sanctioning themselves. When you stay home for three days in a week you burn more gas in heating the home. When you drive slow, you pollute the environment the more.

war brought havoc to all countries, at the beginning of the war almost all countries imposed sanctions on Russia, but the proof is not Russia who has experienced the impact of the sanctions given, in fact other countries have experienced the impact of Russian sanctions, even America itself is now experiencing the impact what is extraordinary, the country that used to impose sanctions on Russia, now the country is silent, and seems to be running away from their responsibilities, it is countries with weak economies that receive a huge impact, like Indonesia, where oil prices are now soaring.

With such great impact to Indonesia economy I believe that they will feel like the war should continue lol, because it's being in their favour, I heard a news but I don't know how genuine it is that European companies may be able to work around Russia's demand to receive gas payments in roubles without breaching sanctions if they pay in euros or dollars which are then converted into the Russian currency, EU do not have a choice, Russia gas is the cheapest for Europe, its either Russia gas or people go on the street when Winter starts knocking in Europe. Gas will be so expensive in Europe if they insist on boycotting Russia gas.

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