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Topic: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose - page 3. (Read 835 times)

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Well the Ukraine has Europe's third-largest shale gas reserves at 1.2 trillion cubic meters (tcm). There are two potentially large shale gas fields. The Yuzivska gas field located in Donetsk Oblast (province) and Kharkiv Oblast; and the Olesska gas field in Lviv Oblast and Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast.

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_Ukraine

Russia ...wants those Gas resources and they do not want the West to fund the development of those resources, because that will threaten their market share in Europe. The current conflict is not about Political influence.... but rather about "Money"

Europe should have reduced their dependency on Russian Oil and Gas, but it was convenient for them and it was a cheaper source for Oil and Gas.... but this conflict has hastened their efforts to do it now. (It was the kick in the butt that they needed)  Wink
I have heard that shale gas production brings great harm to the environment and agriculture, so many European countries do not produce this gas on their territory. They bought more of this gas from other countries, and in return they sold expensive gas production equipment.

Hydraulic fracturing was used in the USSR and is used in Russia, but the only limitation has been and remains technological backwardness, because in this area there is complete dependence on Western technologies.


"In the Soviet Union, the first hydraulic fracturing began in 1952. The peak of the use of hydraulic fracturing in the USSR fell on 1958–1962, when the number of operations exceeded 1500 per year (and in 1959 three thousand operations were performed). With the discovery of large high-rate fields in Western Siberia, the use of hydraulic fracturing was practically abandoned - "light" oil made it possible to do without additional stimulation methods. And in the meantime, technology has developed in the world.

During the period of lack of demand, domestic equipment and experience in the use of hydraulic fracturing lagged far behind. Back in 1980, at a meeting of the scientific and technical council of the USSR Ministry of Gas Industry, the head of the laboratory of SevKavNIPIgaz D.F. Matveev noted: “Hydraulic fracturing is widely used abroad and, unfortunately, on a much smaller scale in the domestic gas industry. This is due to a number of reasons, the main of which are: lack of developed technology; very limited choice of working fluids; the absence in the initial period of industrial testing of pumping units with high productivity and high pressure, which did not make it possible to carry out work with significant efficiency; in connection with the exploitation of high-yield deposits, the issue of increasing the efficiency of developing low-yield and low-permeability reservoirs was not so acute.

In recent history, hydraulic fracturing in Russian fields has become the prerogative of foreign service companies. Domestic specialists are working in this direction, but so far, new technological trends are still coming from abroad."
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Well the Ukraine has Europe's third-largest shale gas reserves at 1.2 trillion cubic meters (tcm). There are two potentially large shale gas fields. The Yuzivska gas field located in Donetsk Oblast (province) and Kharkiv Oblast; and the Olesska gas field in Lviv Oblast and Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast.

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_Ukraine

Russia ...wants those Gas resources and they do not want the West to fund the development of those resources, because that will threaten their market share in Europe. The current conflict is not about Political influence.... but rather about "Money"

Europe should have reduced their dependency on Russian Oil and Gas, but it was convenient for them and it was a cheaper source for Oil and Gas.... but this conflict has hastened their efforts to do it now. (It was the kick in the butt that they needed)  Wink
I have heard that shale gas production brings great harm to the environment and agriculture, so many European countries do not produce this gas on their territory. They bought more of this gas from other countries, and in return they sold expensive gas production equipment.
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Well the Ukraine has Europe's third-largest shale gas reserves at 1.2 trillion cubic meters (tcm). There are two potentially large shale gas fields. The Yuzivska gas field located in Donetsk Oblast (province) and Kharkiv Oblast; and the Olesska gas field in Lviv Oblast and Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast.

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_Ukraine

Russia ...wants those Gas resources and they do not want the West to fund the development of those resources, because that will threaten their market share in Europe. The current conflict is not about Political influence.... but rather about "Money"

Europe should have reduced their dependency on Russian Oil and Gas, but it was convenient for them and it was a cheaper source for Oil and Gas.... but this conflict has hastened their efforts to do it now. (It was the kick in the butt that they needed)  Wink
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The sanctions have cracked. The United States suddenly allowed the supply of hardware for the Internet and telecom to Russia
https://europe-cities.com/2022/04/08/the-sanctions-have-cracked-the-united-states-suddenly-allowed-the-supply-of-hardware-for-the-internet-and-telecom-to-russia/
If it's not fake, then I find it very funny.


By the way, I read that the Russian office of Huawei sent all Russian employees on vacation. 

Huawei is a Chinese company that supplies and maintains telecommunications equipment.  Previously, this company came under US sanctions.  Now she is (probably) afraid to work in Russia. 

Why did the US withdraw telecommunications equipment from anti-Russian sanctions?  Complex issue.... 

Perhaps the US does not want the informational isolation of Russian citizens.  Perhaps the United States is afraid of destroying the infrastructure of the Russian Federation too quickly.  This may be accompanied by man-made disasters (including at nuclear power plants).  Nobody in the world needs chaos in such a huge country as Russia. 

In addition, the United States understands that a radical weakening of Russia will lead to the strengthening of China's position.
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This information is published by major Russian newspapers.

Official reason:"to ensure a high level of route redundancy for passing traffic of various types, and secondly, it forces operators to find the shortest ways to reduce the cost of the service and increase the transmission speed."
Unofficial reason: "Possibility of further espionage"
It's even more fun Smiley
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Really interesting news,me too don’t know it was real.But if it so,their will be huge hustle gonna happened.Because how the United States was changed his policy towards Russia for their economy.And with my knowledge,Americans may do this for the tactical move.They may keep some hidden things to monitor the Russia.But they will not do any direct support to Russia was my opinion.
legendary
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The sanctions have cracked. The United States suddenly allowed the supply of hardware for the Internet and telecom to Russia
https://europe-cities.com/2022/04/08/the-sanctions-have-cracked-the-united-states-suddenly-allowed-the-supply-of-hardware-for-the-internet-and-telecom-to-russia/
If it's not fake, then I find it very funny.
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Yes, I think it's a disaster for Russia. 

The oil embargo means the complete degradation of Russia's industry and economy.  Many now remember Iran and North Korea.  However, Russia is not Iran or North Korea.  This is a huge country with a very harsh climate. 

Russia, in order to function as a state, needs a technological and developed infrastructure.  These are aviation, rail freight and passenger transportation, communications, the Internet, heat and electricity transmission. 

Besides, Russia is a European country.  Yes, it may imitate an Asian country or talk about a special development path, but in fact it is a European country. 

People are not ready to live outside the achievements of civilization and wipe their asses with burdock leaves (no matter what the propagandists say). 

Another thing is that the oil embargo is a very serious step and perhaps European countries will not dare to take such actions. 

In any case, the situation is very worrying.
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The Russia was the powerful country as like America, China. So other country was not starting war against this two. All the country including America, they just doing financial support to the war for Ukraine. But still Russia moving up with the strategies. And the people of many developing country was suffering a lot now.The reason for this was very simple.The oil price was keep on increasing in most developing countries
In this war, Russia and Ukraine were directly involved, but many people did not realize that behind the back there were several countries that were indirectly involved, namely those you have mentioned, both the United States and China.
indeed this war has an impact on many things, one of which is the most pronounced is the price of oil,
oil prices are really crazy and hope it can go down soon

I'm ready to disappoint you .. China, the USA, it's all "far-fetched", or is the result of what started not a month ago. I am a citizen of Ukraine, and for many years, since 2000, I worked in a company whose office was in Donetsk. So I inform you - since 2000 (and possibly earlier), Russia has been actively promoting the idea of ??a "Russian world" in Ukraine, especially in regions where most of the population was once resettled from the RSFSR on the territory of Ukraine, where before that, Soviet power destroyed the local population. Yes, you guessed it - these are today's territories where the virtual states of the DPR / LPR have been created. I am sure that the same work was carried out in Belarus, and possibly in other countries that were once part of the USSR. And all why? Because the insane Kremlin dwarf suddenly decided that he is the messiah, and must collect back all "the republics of the USSR and recreate it anew!". Those. revive the corpse, and create, from the forcibly assembled "republics" of a sort of Frankenstein monster. You laugh in vain! There was no USA and China, there was and is a crazy aging under-alpha male, with complexes not even of Napoleon, but of God! And all these "official" reasons for starting a new round of war against Ukraine, like joining NATO or threatening Russia, are bluff and fakes!



Well that is an argument that can be believed and who better than being a Ukrainian citizen. The truth is that the people who live day to day in Ukraine are the ones who know well where everything comes from, what happens is that the news tends to be very tabloid, and they don't really know what the real story is, so this means that from All this had been cooking for a long time, for me the best excuse for all this to explode was NATO and everything that has to do with what is currently happening. The Soviet Union, for me, is latent in Russia, Belarus and I think they want to take Ukraine because when it existed it was the heart of the Soviet Union, I think this is what they want to recover, and China shares a certain ideology with Russia and that is why it can have some kind of affinity.
legendary
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Oil and gas is the backbone of the Russian economy, as long as Europe dares to ban it Russia will quickly decline.
So far, Europe has issued a fifth round of sanctions against Russia, but none targeting Russian crude oil and gas. All claims to cut off gas supplies from Russia are only on paper and they have not found a solution. According to the statement, they will stop depending on Russian energy by 2027. That is actually quite far away.
 The US is a country that is less dependent on Russian oil, so it does not hesitate to stop importing from Russia, but that will also have an impact on the US.

Today I was surprised to read in the news that the EU is ready to vote for the introduction of an embargo on the purchase of oil, gas and coal from Russia!
Further it will be interesting! Russia will have to sell oil / gas / coal for a penny to China and India. These countries will not support the embargo, they need Russia as a slave-raw material appendage. And Russia will do everything that India and China order - there is no way out, because. you can not take and pause the production of gas and oil. Most likely, India and China will pay partly in their local currency, so that Russia is also tied to their products.
In short, we are waiting for very interesting changes in the international hydrocarbon market!
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Yes, there is an opinion that only an oil embargo can destroy the Russian economy.  It is from the sale of oil that Russia receives the main revenues to the state budget.

Oil prices do not depend on the natural season (winter or summer).  Oil is widely used for the manufacture of gasoline, as well as in the petrochemical industry. 

Are Western countries ready to impose an oil embargo? 

I don't have an answer to this question.  The United States declares its principled position to deprive the Russian Federation of all its oil and gas revenues.  However, the EU may have a different opinion on this matter. 

At the same time, in my opinion, the Russian Federation has huge problems.  First of all, it is the complete absence of a positive picture of the future of Russia and its citizens. 

Few people realize this now, but a social society can collapse faster than the country actually runs out of resources and serious economic problems begin.  People cannot live without hope. 

And psychologically, people break down faster than machine tools and machines.
Oil and gas is the backbone of the Russian economy, as long as Europe dares to ban it Russia will quickly decline.
So far, Europe has issued a fifth round of sanctions against Russia, but none targeting Russian crude oil and gas. All claims to cut off gas supplies from Russia are only on paper and they have not found a solution. According to the statement, they will stop depending on Russian energy by 2027. That is actually quite far away.
 The US is a country that is less dependent on Russian oil, so it does not hesitate to stop importing from Russia, but that will also have an impact on the US.
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You have stated the most obvious, that's actually what the OP is pointing out. Russia was more than ready for the sanctions before they execute the attack. They knew they possessed one of the world's necessity and European countries had their oil reliance grown since the last few years. That alone could be enough for Russia to withstand whatever economic sanctions the US or the European countries impose to them.
Though these sanctions their facing have affected them, but they have options to avoid the major effect of these sanctions.
Russia knew that they would attack, and even though west already guessed it would happen, they didn't actually know that they would have to put sanctions, they weren't ready to even put sanctions. I mean imagine a world where you need something from a nation and you threaten that nation by saying you won't buy it if they go on, and yet you have no other choice so you still do. That is what west did, it is basically humiliating when you think about it.

All in all, it is really not that much of a big deal, you do not have to fear Russia because even though they beat these sanctions for the time being, if they keep being like this, they will be left alone to china alone and nobody else eventually.
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don't trust them.
They will lie and manipulate words, presenting false theories.
They lie about the fact that the States want to embroil Russia with someone.

in fact, Russia has long been a terrorist country.
I myself live in Russia.
I am very sad from the anger of the government and the people,
our people hate Ukrainians simply because the russian TV convinced them of this.
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Russia was gearing up for an attack and you can see it on these statistics posted by OP how much they sped up their accumulation since 2018. The EU had years to realize that but they failed.

Since the cold war, Russia's relationship with the west has always been delicate so much that i think they knew that a time may come when they may have to indulge in a show of strength with the West, so they have had to be prepared, and made themselves important to the power sector. Putin put Russia in a position where they almost seem indispensable, like they hold the world's power sector by the balls. They are almost too important now, sanctions cannot be fully implemented for the now, alternatives to power from Russia has to be made first for the effects of the sanctions to be swift.

Someone who plans to start a battle with someone prepares better than the person that the problems meet unprepared and unexpectedly.

 

Western countries don't want the war to end that's why always they are giving over weapons to Ukraine and putting sanctions on Russia which is not the solution. Just moderation is the only way out.
Also, the affiliation of those highest countries is not to discuss how to bring peace to citizens of any country.
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I think Russia has all the resources to stop european sanctions, the dependence of many european countries on russian gas and oil of course makes it better for them to be silent than to be strict, only a few countries are serious about putting pressure on russia with strict sanctions, but if strict sanctions are enforced i will sure Russia is ready and anticipated so that it will not have a significant impact.

You have stated the most obvious, that's actually what the OP is pointing out. Russia was more than ready for the sanctions before they execute the attack. They knew they possessed one of the world's necessity and European countries had their oil reliance grown since the last few years. That alone could be enough for Russia to withstand whatever economic sanctions the US or the European countries impose to them.
Though these sanctions their facing have affected them, but they have options to avoid the major effect of these sanctions.
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I think Russia has all the resources to stop european sanctions, the dependence of many european countries on russian gas and oil of course makes it better for them to be silent than to be strict, only a few countries are serious about putting pressure on russia with strict sanctions, but if strict sanctions are enforced i will sure Russia is ready and anticipated so that it will not have a significant impact.
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The US and Eastern Europe has been criticizing the growing dependence on Russian fossil fuels for a long time. But Western Europe wanted to reduce American influence, and they believed that they can contain Russian aggression by being friendly. They miscalculated heavily, because Putin viewed friendliness as softness and invitation for more aggression.

I wouldn't say that Russia was fully prepared for sanctions. A significant part of their 600 billion reserves got frozen, because it was held in the west. Russia heavily relies on imported components for manufacturing nearly anything, so their military-industrial complex got hit very hard with sanctions.

Also, the full effect of sanctions will become clear in 1-2 years. But some of the Russian top officials already admitted that they didn't expect sanctions to be this harsh.
Of course, sanctions will affect Russia but that does not mean they are unprepared. Sanctions to date have not only damaged Russia, but also had a strong impact on Europe and the world. Europe is having terrible days because of high energy prices and what will happen if they are not powered in the coming years.

Yes, there is an opinion that only an oil embargo can destroy the Russian economy.  It is from the sale of oil that Russia receives the main revenues to the state budget.

Oil prices do not depend on the natural season (winter or summer).  Oil is widely used for the manufacture of gasoline, as well as in the petrochemical industry. 

Are Western countries ready to impose an oil embargo? 

I don't have an answer to this question.  The United States declares its principled position to deprive the Russian Federation of all its oil and gas revenues.  However, the EU may have a different opinion on this matter. 

At the same time, in my opinion, the Russian Federation has huge problems.  First of all, it is the complete absence of a positive picture of the future of Russia and its citizens. 

Few people realize this now, but a social society can collapse faster than the country actually runs out of resources and serious economic problems begin.  People cannot live without hope. 

And psychologically, people break down faster than machine tools and machines.
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The US and Eastern Europe has been criticizing the growing dependence on Russian fossil fuels for a long time. But Western Europe wanted to reduce American influence, and they believed that they can contain Russian aggression by being friendly. They miscalculated heavily, because Putin viewed friendliness as softness and invitation for more aggression.

I wouldn't say that Russia was fully prepared for sanctions. A significant part of their 600 billion reserves got frozen, because it was held in the west. Russia heavily relies on imported components for manufacturing nearly anything, so their military-industrial complex got hit very hard with sanctions.

Also, the full effect of sanctions will become clear in 1-2 years. But some of the Russian top officials already admitted that they didn't expect sanctions to be this harsh.
Of course, sanctions will affect Russia but that does not mean they are unprepared. Sanctions to date have not only damaged Russia, but also had a strong impact on Europe and the world. Europe is having terrible days because of high energy prices and what will happen if they are not powered in the coming years.
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Where is the greatness of Russia? In territory? I'll tell you a secret - 70% + of this territory IS NOT INVOLVED AT ALL, and ARE NOT OPENED !!! You didn't know? These territories are not suitable for life, there is nothing useful or strategically important there! So greatness is very "inflated"
Russia has a huge excess of natural resources and the most combat-ready army in the world against the backdrop of food security and no problems with fresh water. It is foolish to deny or doubt the greatness of Russia. The United States is trying in every possible way to quarrel Russia with Europe in order to eliminate Europe as a competitor and to solve its internal problems at their expense. At the same time, pushing Russia into a strategic alliance with China and India, which have huge human resources and which such an alliance with Russia is also beneficial. Europe in this situation is in the unenviable role of a trophy and a victim, the influence over which is apparently shared by the United States and Russia. I think this is what Putin and Biden agreed on when they met in December 2021.
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Once again about the "huge". say - and for example the Congo - "a huge, great country"? Or, for example, Vietnam is a "huge country"? And Nigeria?
The first 2 countries - fully correspond to the "scale" of Russia in terms of population. Nigeria - exceeds 2 times Russia. Where is the greatness of Russia? In territory? I'll tell you a secret - 70% + of this territory IS NOT INVOLVED AT ALL, and ARE NOT OPENED !!! You didn't know? These territories are not suitable for life, there is nothing useful or strategically important there! So greatness is very "inflated"

If population is the sole criteria, then I need to remind you that the population of UK and France amounts to less than half of that of Russia. So these countries are not "great", I guess. And while it may be true that around 70% of the area of Russia is sparsely populated, this region contains one of the highest concentrations of metals and minerals in the planet. I am talking about Nickel deposits of Norilsk, Bauxite in Baikal, diamonds in Yakutia, oil and natural gas in Yugra, Copper in Urals and gold in Amur.
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