Topic: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose - page 5. (Read 800 times)

From the last cold war Russia was always ready to take aggressive actions and Ukraine was one f victims to Russian aggression.
Now from last few months the aggression toward Ukraine from Russian forces now show clear perspective of  Russia.
Its not first time when a superior country invade there neighbor country over territory issue or any other in past we say many other countries do the same.
If westerns country try to impose any sanctions to Russia over this, they also have to take action against other countries doing the same. I can't understand there hypocrisy level.

First of all, thank you so much for your words of support! For us it is very important and expensive !!!
Well, everything else - yes, I agree that the world is now much more multipolar than it was before. In addition, it seems to me that the world has lost, or greatly reduced moral and ethical standards. Now any idiot who owns nuclear weapons can blackmail and demand from the whole world whatever he wants. Others can support criminal regimes under the guise of "their interests". You can list many more "oddities of the modern world" ... And it seems to me that if the situation is not changed, there will be no change of leaders, there will be a total destruction of the world as such.
Now we stood, or are still standing, on the threshold of a great world war. So far, Ukraine is holding back the crazy killer from the borders of the EU, paying for it all with tens of thousands of lives of its citizens. I really believe that we will be able to stop this horde and win the war. But I would really like for all this to become a lesson for the rest of the world, so that countries, rulers, peoples draw the appropriate conclusions and change.
I wish you all peace, prosperity and tranquility!

I don't think Europe actually envisage this war and the dimension it's taking, otherwise they would have longed source for alternative energy from Russia. Putin knew directly fighting him would mean hell, he knew it would be economic war, so he was better prepared.

Op's right that Russians are quite ready for material deprivation, so they can keep surviving and even possibly supporting the war while being under sanctions. However, that doesn't apply to all of them, as quite a few, who live in big cities, are accustomed to using smartphones and PCs, buying good Western clothes, occasionally travelling abroad etc., and they'll probably become increasingly more unhappy. As for European countries, it's unfortunately true that they made themselves more dependent on Russia instead of doing the opposite. But Lithuania today demonstrated very bravely that it's abandoning Russian gas, even though it highly depends on it. If more EU countries demonstrate such strength, this can truly cripple the Russian economy, not really leaving money for the costly war. It's a risk, it's a gamble, but the EU won't freeze to death, and there's half a year ahead to figure out potential heating solutions, as well as bring about the end of the war which can be followed, after Russia fully withdraws troops and agrees to pay heavy reparations, by lifting embargoes.

The pandemic is one of the primary reasons why most people didn't expect Russia to launch this war against Ukraine in my opinion. Their economy got screwed too just like the rest of the world which is why Putin doing this when their economy is in recovery mode is bizarre.

All blame should only be directed at pathetic Putin instead of pointing fingers at each other which is exactly what he wants.

I do not know what he meant, but I can tell you that there is a "hidden" involvement as in when the west sanctions Russia because of what they did, and china helping Russia economically. So, it is not like other nations caused the war (or maybe they did, I wouldn't know) but more mainly it is about how nations took sides when this war started.

We are all standing with you, we believe you are the innocent party and Russia (well mainly Putin) needs to be though a lesson and I am sure that you will win this one, I really pray to god every day that you guys come out safe and as little death as possible. This means I support you, this also means my nation does as well, and few other nations, that is what people mean when indirect involvement.

I'm ready to disappoint you .. China, the USA, it's all "far-fetched", or is the result of what started not a month ago. I am a citizen of Ukraine, and for many years, since 2000, I worked in a company whose office was in Donetsk. So I inform you - since 2000 (and possibly earlier), Russia has been actively promoting the idea of ​​a "Russian world" in Ukraine, especially in regions where most of the population was once resettled from the RSFSR on the territory of Ukraine, where before that, Soviet power destroyed the local population. Yes, you guessed it - these are today's territories where the virtual states of the DPR / LPR have been created. I am sure that the same work was carried out in Belarus, and possibly in other countries that were once part of the USSR. And all why? Because the insane Kremlin dwarf suddenly decided that he is the messiah, and must collect back all "the republics of the USSR and recreate it anew!". Those. revive the corpse, and create, from the forcibly assembled "republics" of a sort of Frankenstein monster. You laugh in vain! There was no USA and China, there was and is a crazy aging under-alpha male, with complexes not even of Napoleon, but of God! And all these "official" reasons for starting a new round of war against Ukraine, like joining NATO or threatening Russia, are bluff and fakes!

Not more painfully, might be equal at best. You under estimate how bad the Russian economy is doing, and they were already on track to default on any loans that were outstanding. The sanctions really just weaken USD as a global currency reserve, but that's been discussed a lot. Frankly, even without war the inflation rate would have caused it to sink so the sanctions could've been independent of it's decline.

Europe's issue is with their energy policy, and the radicals there would rather implement green technology (largely inefficient) instead of looking towards other sources. Sanction Russian energy, where else do they get heat for their homes?

In this war, Russia and Ukraine were directly involved, but many people did not realize that behind the back there were several countries that were indirectly involved, namely those you have mentioned, both the United States and China.
indeed this war has an impact on many things, one of which is the most pronounced is the price of oil,
oil prices are really crazy and hope it can go down soon

You know there is a saying that when a man is over fed a child, there is high tendency they may misbehave at some point if you don't caution them. That's exactly the case of Russia and the rest of the world. He is not even afraid been involved in a war by putting innocent military who left children and wife's at home.
I really want to see him live the office by 2024 but seeing what he has started, he would want to stay another 6 years to continue his tyranny life and slavery. War ended before I was born, let's protect the Youngs ones the way we were shielded by our fathers.

The Russia was the powerful country as like America, China. So other country was not starting war against this two. All the country including America, they just doing financial support to the war for Ukraine. But still Russia moving up with the strategies. And the people of many developing country was suffering a lot now.The reason for this was very simple.The oil price was keep on increasing in most developing countries

The point is that these sanctions are hurting the West too, I'm not sure if we could possibly compare which side had the largest losses, however, I could easily name a couple. Firstly, Europe will lose a significant amount of Russian tourists, here in Greece we had at least 250,000 cancellations, with more to come in the next upcoming months.

Moreover, the rising fueling costs are creating a vicious cycle of increased prices, in all kind of goods, which we'll be facing for the upcoming future.

The war has gone into it second month and yet no solution is coming to resolve the war for peace and stability to return into the area and production of Oil and gas to be restored. Prices are going high and people are suffering. They are discussing to evaquate civilians and that suppose to mean more fight ? This is alarming, refugees are created and destabilizing the other countries that are neighbours. Russia is showing EU that it is more prepared for the war but this has to stop.

What should we do if this war was happening until now. The effect of this war get massive to every country such as in Indonesia. Since the war has been started, the oil price become too expensive and rare even the diesel oil is difficult to be found. Not only Ukraine but also most of country feel worry with the world sustainability. Not only European make a wrong decision in manage their needs, but also another country which let this war happen.

What do you mean ?
You clearly cannot start a war and send threats to the whole world regarding a nuclear weapon usage if they do not comply and push them in a corner, NO MATTER WHAT.

NOTHING GIVES THEM ANY RIGHT TO PROVE THEIR POWER IN THIS WAY. If they wanted to show their power then they could have gone through other way, by helping other countries, by increasing their country's overall power in a positive way, making good oil deals and making sure they do this in peace and harmony.

This could very easily surge in a world war 3 if they don't stop and at the same time one needs to understand the fact that :

They are already loosing no matter what ! They have lost their respect, their friends, their businesses and they would loose more if they don't stop.

This is a government, not a dictatorship, last time I checked it wasn't named North Korea, was it. I do think that you have to understand that This threatens the whole world, everything, everyone.

Do you know what is wrong with your position? You mistakenly laid the argument that China and India are friends of Russia. Not really. Russia for both countries is just a source of cheap raw materials. Both China and India are now buying Russian hydrocarbons at a huge discount. The reason is by no means in friendly manifestations, but in the fact that the Russian economy cannot live without CURRENCY receipts. I singled out the word CURRENCY for a reason. Putin tried once again to set an ultimatum for the EU - to pay for gas and oil in rubles, in order to create an artificial rise in the exchange rate and increase foreign exchange earnings. He was once again, as expected, sent to hell Now he is trying, like, to sell to friends, like in a friendly way, gas and oil with a mega discount in order to get at least something. Yes, China and India will now buy a huge amount of hydrocarbons at a bargain price. So what ? This globally will not save Russia. It won't lessen the impact of the sanctions, It's just a little "support for the dying in this world."

They are not fully prepared of course the sanctions against Russia had made the citizens poorer but because of the gas that Russia has, they found ways to survive all these. They are gaining friends in this battle actually, they only need India and China for it. The population of these two country could help thier economy withstand. China and India somehow resolved their territorial dispute on borders to make deals. There is a shift in geopolitics in this area. And there are more going along with Russia like Turkey and Pakistan.

While there may be countries opposed to paying in rubles, they may have to endure just like a sacntion. I think Russia will get more countries on thier site by making the ruble only the accepted currency.

Possibly this will encourage more trade partnership to happen. This way more investments will also move into Russia from India than moving towards USA. Maybe Russia can practice similar approach with other countries too, which will devalue the price of USD. With this both the countries will be profit than using USD.

Russia have been trying to come out of the sanctions through his brave ideas, but this is just for now. In the long term surely they'll be in need of the swift system. On the other side west isn't able to handle the situation, so it hasn't revealed any statement. Some countries have opposed the pay in Rubles and Russia is with a never mind approach.

Since the cold war, Russia's relationship with the west has always been delicate so much that i think they knew that a time may come when they may have to indulge in a show of strength with the West, so they have had to be prepared, and made themselves important to the power sector. Putin put Russia in a position where they almost seem indispensable, like they hold the world's power sector by the balls. They are almost too important now, sanctions cannot be fully implemented for the now, alternatives to power from Russia has to be made first for the effects of the sanctions to be swift.

Someone who plans to start a battle with someone prepares better than the person that the problems meet unprepared and unexpectedly.

 

The EU has been living in their own bubble for some time now. They had it nice and cozy with Russian gas, oil and coal and did not care that one day they could raise prices or issue new demands. When you rely on a country this much you can expect them to become abusive at some point. Countries are like people because they are made of people. When you start borrowing stuff from your neighbor at some point he'll want something in return or demand favors for his help. It's the same with countries, there comes a time when they're in need and want your help combating an enemy or something else like some of your resources or technology in return. Russia was gearing up for an attack and you can see it on these statistics posted by OP how much they sped up their accumulation since 2018. The EU had years to realize that but they failed.