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Quote from: tvbcof on October 19, 2023, 09:12:31 AM

Quote from: paxmao on October 19, 2023, 03:32:03 AM

There seems to be evidence of 9 helicopters lost in the ATACAMS strike. Ukraine used the "pack 1" with cluster munition, limited range, so it rained small bombs all over the airfield. There seem to be satellite confirmation. I have only seen OSINT, but it is speculated that some of the kills were K52 attack helicopters. This is quite a blow to one of the few strategies that the Ruzzis had left.

ATACAMS are nuisance for Russia for sure, and the loss of the helicopters is not totally trivial. But it's also not particularly difficult to adapt to the new threat, and experiencing it in action is good data to feed into the development process.

More interesting is to see where the U.S. sets the ante. These feeds into a calculus about what is 'fair' and what is out-of-bounds when it comes to supplying classes of weapons to proxy forces. In proxy conflicts the more wide-spread opponent presents a much larger 'attack surface' and they have a natural dis-advantage for this reason. And the U.S. has very far-flung bases for protecting their empire.

I don't recall the U.S. (through their proxies) using HIMARS or ATACAMS (or stormshadows) inside of the pre-2014 Russian boarders. Probably the agreement is that comparable Russian equipment supplied to Russia's proxies will not be allowed to attack within formal United States boundaries either. We'll just have to see how things progress, and who makes the mistake of handing modern weapons AND control over said weapons to nutso coke fiends and people of that ilk.

I do not think is a strategy that Ruzzian Army can adapt to. These choppers were as close to the frontline as possible because they need to act with speed and they need to have as much fuel as possible to hoover and move in the frontline. Now they will need to move very far away, so their capability is diminished no matter what "adaptation" they try. Similar, to a lesser extent, with planes.

To note, US did not officially confirmed the delivery, meaning that Ruzzia does not know either if the next week would be the 320 km range ones. Another strategic problem they cannot adapt to.

About what is fair... well, is a war between Ruzzia and Ukraine, so anything military in Ruzzia and the occupied territories is ok and ready to be blown, why not.

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Quote from: paxmao on October 19, 2023, 03:32:03 AM

There seems to be evidence of 9 helicopters lost in the ATACAMS strike. Ukraine used the "pack 1" with cluster munition, limited range, so it rained small bombs all over the airfield. There seem to be satellite confirmation. I have only seen OSINT, but it is speculated that some of the kills were K52 attack helicopters. This is quite a blow to one of the few strategies that the Ruzzis had left.

ATACAMS are nuisance for Russia for sure, and the loss of the helicopters is not totally trivial. But it's also not particularly difficult to adapt to the new threat, and experiencing it in action is good data to feed into the development process.

More interesting is to see where the U.S. sets the ante. These feeds into a calculus about what is 'fair' and what is out-of-bounds when it comes to supplying classes of weapons to proxy forces. In proxy conflicts the more wide-spread opponent presents a much larger 'attack surface' and they have a natural dis-advantage for this reason. And the U.S. has very far-flung bases for protecting their empire.

I don't recall the U.S. (through their proxies) using HIMARS or ATACAMS (or stormshadows) inside of the pre-2014 Russian boarders. Probably the agreement is that comparable Russian equipment supplied to Russia's proxies will not be allowed to attack within formal United States boundaries either. We'll just have to see how things progress, and who makes the mistake of handing modern weapons AND control over said weapons to nutso coke fiends and people of that ilk.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 18, 2023, 03:31:21 PM

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Quite credible in my view. I recently posted that this capability was being requested because the Ukrainian army had already objectives in mind, that they could see and wanted to blow up.

It turns out that they have chosen wisely: military objectives (it would have been easy to "take revenge"), high value targets but, above all, those weapons platforms that Ruzzia was using to good effect and with minimal probabilities of getting hit back. Now Ruzzian planes will have to retreat further east, but also will the helicopters that require to be close to the front to be best use. The ATACAMS is "cheap enough" to be used for a plane or a helicopter, which Stormshadows were not.

This will be effective to further demilitarise Ruzzia but also I guess that now the Ruzzi pilots will be wondering what may happen right the moment they land back from a mission if the base in range of ATACAMS. It could be their last mission.

Yeah, it's much cheaper than Storm Shadow, but seems that Ukraine so far only got old version of ATACMS. On remains of missile it was visible that it was made in 1996. So, it means that range of it is 160 km and doesn't reach whole Donbas and Crimea. But Ukraine used it before it was officially announced that they got missiles, so, I think it's only matter of time when they will got newer modifications, maybe it's already delivered.

Quote from: paxmao on October 18, 2023, 11:30:43 AM

Edited: There seems to be a river crossing by Ukraine. Let's see how far it develops.

Something is really happening on left bank of Dnipro:
https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1714438389200490952?s=20

There seems to be evidence of 9 helicopters lost in the ATACAMS strike. Ukraine used the "pack 1" with cluster munition, limited range, so it rained small bombs all over the airfield. There seem to be satellite confirmation. I have only seen OSINT, but it is speculated that some of the kills were K52 attack helicopters. This is quite a blow to one of the few strategies that the Ruzzis had left.

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Quote from: paxmao on October 17, 2023, 04:47:53 PM

Quite credible in my view. I recently posted that this capability was being requested because the Ukrainian army had already objectives in mind, that they could see and wanted to blow up.

It turns out that they have chosen wisely: military objectives (it would have been easy to "take revenge"), high value targets but, above all, those weapons platforms that Ruzzia was using to good effect and with minimal probabilities of getting hit back. Now Ruzzian planes will have to retreat further east, but also will the helicopters that require to be close to the front to be best use. The ATACAMS is "cheap enough" to be used for a plane or a helicopter, which Stormshadows were not.

This will be effective to further demilitarise Ruzzia but also I guess that now the Ruzzi pilots will be wondering what may happen right the moment they land back from a mission if the base in range of ATACAMS. It could be their last mission.

Yeah, it's much cheaper than Storm Shadow, but seems that Ukraine so far only got old version of ATACMS. On remains of missile it was visible that it was made in 1996. So, it means that range of it is 160 km and doesn't reach whole Donbas and Crimea. But Ukraine used it before it was officially announced that they got missiles, so, I think it's only matter of time when they will got newer modifications, maybe it's already delivered.

Quote from: paxmao on October 18, 2023, 11:30:43 AM

Edited: There seems to be a river crossing by Ukraine. Let's see how far it develops.

Something is really happening on left bank of Dnipro:
https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1714438389200490952?s=20

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Quote from: montaga on October 18, 2023, 11:24:44 AM

Not a single word spoken in this cartoon video, Tom und Jerry next.

I like this one better, it does not needs words either. I propose that you guess what, when and how was hit yesterday.

https://youtu.be/AwFQTQ5LWwg?t=147

No? not yet? It is ATACAMS hitting a bunch of helicopters deep inside occupied territory. Now, go back to publish cartoons, it is your thing. Others will get the shrapnel up their arses while you pretend to be cynic or funny here.

Edited: There seems to be a river crossing by Ukraine. Let's see how far it develops.

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Not a single word spoken in this cartoon video, Tom und Jerry next.

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Quote from: Branko on October 18, 2023, 01:39:14 AM

Quote from: paxmao on October 17, 2023, 04:47:53 PM

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I admire the resolve of Russia. At this stage, if it were me, I would have used nukes long ago. But Russia is for the salvation of the world rather than the destruction of it.
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Yes, and you would be at war with half of the world. Is not resolve or contention, it is a calculated non-escalation because escalating gets Putin killed, their military damaged beyond repair and the Ruzzian regime gone. But that is one of the many things that you will never understand.

Noone will sacrifice to "save" Ukraine. Noone.
Otherwise you would be long ago in some trench in Ukraine.
Instead you write nonsense on almost dead forum

As usual, you cannot write 4 lines an make sense. If the forum is dead why are you writing?

Branko, you are arguing against the facts (nothing surprising there). Putin has not escalated, there is a reason for it and is well know. I mean, well known to anyone who bothers to read the news from time to time, not you.

Nuclear escalation is a loosing game for Ruzzia not because "other will sacrifice", it is precisely because others are not willing to accept the sacrifice: US and NATO have already stated that a nuke in Ukraine or even letting a nuclear reactor blow has a massive chance of creating a radiation cloud that would reach NATO countries. NATO has made it clear that it would be considered a nuclear attack on NATO and grant proportional response. To be more precise US mentioned that their response would not be nuclear, but would be devastating.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/us/politics/us-russia-nuclear.html

Quote from: Branko on October 18, 2023, 04:55:13 AM

Quote from: tvbcof on October 18, 2023, 02:15:23 AM

Time to re-visit this brilliant work piece of art from Jan 2023. We have officially hit the 2:12 mark.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/iXAD5fBymkKp/

Not viewable in my country because of hate and stuff

I can see it in all my countries - I wonder why? It is the US "feeding Ukraine" as if it were a pig. Just a piece of propaganda, nothing that has any reasoning or argument behind.

Regarding the "mark"... well, you mean the 0:19 mark? Like... from 3 days to 19 months?

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Quote from: tvbcof on October 18, 2023, 05:48:09 AM

Quote from: Branko on October 18, 2023, 04:55:13 AM

Quote from: tvbcof on October 18, 2023, 02:15:23 AM

Time to re-visit this brilliant work piece of art from Jan 2023. We have officially hit the 2:12 mark.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/iXAD5fBymkKp/

Not viewable in my country because of hate and stuff

No shit? It's a cartoon! Or do you mean the Bitchute platform as a whole?

Interestingly, I can no longer do searches on Bitchute here in The Philippines. Throws a 403. After some analysis, my best guess is that Bitchute itself blocked the country (via Cloudflare), and if so, my best guess is that it would be the doing of Bitchute for the purposes of dealing with denial of services attacks (using PLDT, Globe, etc) on their search infrastructure. Bitchute's search has always sucked (or been non-existant.) I'd like to blame the bad bad govt and their censorship, or the 'Jew owned' networks for these problems, but honestly I don't think that it the issue here.

One other interesting thing to me is that if I use the family's Windows machines to view a Bitchute vid, it takes a long long time to start, and often there is a lot of buffering. At the same time, if I use one of my Unix machines the problems don't exist.

The Bitchute search loss is to a degree workable-aroundable by forming a URL manually of the form https://www.bitchute.com/hashtag/israel/ where one forms the last element to taste. It's a work-around until I either start using a different vid platform or do my networking differently.

I can view Bitchute, just not that one.
It says. "The parent channel of this video is unavailable at your location due to the following restrictions:

Contains Incitement to Hatred"

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Quote from: Branko on October 18, 2023, 04:55:13 AM

Quote from: tvbcof on October 18, 2023, 02:15:23 AM

Time to re-visit this brilliant work piece of art from Jan 2023. We have officially hit the 2:12 mark.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/iXAD5fBymkKp/

Not viewable in my country because of hate and stuff

No shit? It's a cartoon! Or do you mean the Bitchute platform as a whole?

Interestingly, I can no longer do searches on Bitchute here in The Philippines. Throws a 403. After some analysis, my best guess is that Bitchute itself blocked the country (via Cloudflare), and if so, my best guess is that it would be the doing of Bitchute for the purposes of dealing with denial of services attacks (using PLDT, Globe, etc) on their search infrastructure. Bitchute's search has always sucked (or been non-existant.) I'd like to blame the bad bad govt and their censorship, or the 'Jew owned' networks for these problems, but honestly I don't think that it the issue here.

One other interesting thing to me is that if I use the family's Windows machines to view a Bitchute vid, it takes a long long time to start, and often there is a lot of buffering. At the same time, if I use one of my Unix machines the problems don't exist.

The Bitchute search loss is to a degree workable-aroundable by forming a URL manually of the form https://www.bitchute.com/hashtag/israel/ where one forms the last element to taste. It's a work-around until I either start using a different vid platform or do my networking differently.

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Quote from: tvbcof on October 18, 2023, 02:15:23 AM

Time to re-visit this brilliant work piece of art from Jan 2023. We have officially hit the 2:12 mark.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/iXAD5fBymkKp/

Not viewable in my country because of hate and stuff

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Time to re-visit this brilliant work piece of art from Jan 2023. We have officially hit the 2:12 mark.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/iXAD5fBymkKp/

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Quote from: paxmao on October 17, 2023, 04:47:53 PM

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I admire the resolve of Russia. At this stage, if it were me, I would have used nukes long ago. But Russia is for the salvation of the world rather than the destruction of it.
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Yes, and you would be at war with half of the world. Is not resolve or contention, it is a calculated non-escalation because escalating gets Putin killed, their military damaged beyond repair and the Ruzzian regime gone. But that is one of the many things that you will never understand.

Noone will sacrifice to "save" Ukraine. Noone.
Otherwise you would be long ago in some trench in Ukraine.
Instead you write nonsense on almost dead forum

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 17, 2023, 04:07:26 PM

Ukraine finally received ATACMS missiles and they already used it in attacks on Russian air bases in occupied Luhansk and Berdyansk. And seems attacks were successful, significant amount of helicopters and jets were destroyed or damaged. Z channels is already crying about it.
https://t.me/fighter_bomber/14410
https://t.me/Ukraine_365News/64322

Quite credible in my view. I recently posted that this capability was being requested because the Ukrainian army had already objectives in mind, that they could see and wanted to blow up.

It turns out that they have chosen wisely: military objectives (it would have been easy to "take revenge"), high value targets but, above all, those weapons platforms that Ruzzia was using to good effect and with minimal probabilities of getting hit back. Now Ruzzian planes will have to retreat further east, but also will the helicopters that require to be close to the front to be best use. The ATACAMS is "cheap enough" to be used for a plane or a helicopter, which Stormshadows were not.

This will be effective to further demilitarise Ruzzia but also I guess that now the Ruzzi pilots will be wondering what may happen right the moment they land back from a mission if the base in range of ATACAMS. It could be their last mission.

Quote from: BADecker on October 17, 2023, 04:38:16 PM

I admire the resolve of Russia. At this stage, if it were me, I would have used nukes long ago. But Russia is for the salvation of the world rather than the destruction of it.
...

Yes, and you would be at war with half of the world. Is not resolve or contention, it is a calculated non-escalation because escalating gets Putin killed, their military damaged beyond repair and the Ruzzian regime gone. But that is one of the many things that you will never understand.

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I admire the resolve of Russia. At this stage, if it were me, I would have used nukes long ago. But Russia is for the salvation of the world rather than the destruction of it.

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Ukraine finally received ATACMS missiles and they already used it in attacks on Russian air bases in occupied Luhansk and Berdyansk. And seems attacks were successful, significant amount of helicopters and jets were destroyed or damaged. Z channels is already crying about it.
https://t.me/fighter_bomber/14410
https://t.me/Ukraine_365News/64322

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Quote from: DaRude on October 15, 2023, 12:21:19 AM

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I think this is a distracting blow, but if Ukraine lost its dominant height in Avdeevka, this is a great success for Russia; this waste heap could not be taken for a year and a half.

Great success... from May 9 parade in Kyiv to capturing a pile of waste. Whoever is responsible for this great achievement probably needs to avoid airplanes - victorious Russian invaders have a habit of dying in plane crashes.

A Russian parade in Kyiv on May 9, 2022 would be a much greater success for Ukraine than its current situation. Grin

Ye olde narrative of "Ruzzia (Moscow) being better for Ukraine". Repeat it 1000 times and is still a fallacy like the first time.

No one is offering Ukraine to be with Russia; Russia doesn’t need such rotten friends. The point is that maintaining neutrality is much better for Ukraine than fighting with Russia.

Oh... that's new. I mean, not that you do not want them as "friends" - Ruzzia does not have "friends", what you spoke about is about overtaking Ukraine, changing the government to a puppet like uncle Luka, create two independent states...

And now you speak about neutrality. Ruzzia never wanted "neutrality", Moscow wanted a base in Sebastopol , buffer states a better link to Crimea... but certainly not "neutrality".

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1. The Israelis are not cutting supplies for the "war effort". I leave to your imagination (wild mostly) why have they first put 2 million people in a space that can hold 500k, then limit their movement, control their food, their water, every aspect of their lives and, after the Hamas attack, cut essential life supplies - but I can tell you is not to achieve military objectives nor to diminish the "military production" of the Gaza strip.

2. The US army and NATO had plenty of military means to spare, if they were limited, they would not have given any priority to the grid for many reasons: (a) It is simply a infrastructure that easy to replace and repair and difficult to destroy beyond repair (particularly with the "precision" of the Ruzzian missiles). (b) Ukraine is too large for that strategy to be effective (c) the military production is mostly done outside Ukraine.

But you know, last winter they did it, and here we are so that proves is not effective, rational people would not need further proof.

For everything else you say, you are wrong. The Ukraine is not going to attack the RF grid with ATACAMS, as they are not doing so with Stormshadow, because they are not as stupid as the RF military and would rather not waste what they have. They will blow up military and economic objectives that really hurt - multi-million oil infrastructure, logistic hubs, we. They can see them thanks to "the gospel" from the sky and the massive infiltration behind Ruzzian lines. They are quite mad they cannot shot at them, but that's about to change.

The Article 5 would not stop Ruzzia from invading further Ukraine. So again, your solution of surrendering is not a solution, is a pause so that Ruzzia repairs the army a goes in the offensive again. You must think that people are stupid seriously - what a bunch of non-sense covered in a trillion words.

EDIT: Ruzzia has thrown plenty of troops in Avdiivka. I mean, thrown into a scrapyard literaly. Tens of BMPs an tanks in ashes (with their crews) in one day. The territorial gain has been... 50 meters? Another successful effort in "self-demilitarising" by Ruzzia.

https://youtu.be/emjwRD2nPqU?t=2674

Don't keep us guessing do tell why Israel cut power to Gaza? Are you implying that Israel is trying to reinforce the will of Palestinians? And is US helping Palestinians in their pursuit for freedom, shouldn't Nuland go to Gaza with some freedom cookies?

Ukraine confirms attack on electrical grid in Russia's Kursk region why didn't you tell them what you know about attacking power grids? I think they can afford you by printing as much as you ask

You went from general statement that attacking power grid is "(a) irrelevant to the war effort (b) proven to be inefficient (c) proven to reinforce the will of the people being attacked... zero military effectiveness" then when i provided evidence of other nations doing exactly the same thing, you changed it to: well, every country had its reasons to attack power grids except if that country start with a letter R, has two S's and ends with a letter A.

"But you know, last winter they did it, and here we are so that proves is not effective, rational people would not need further proof."
Oh is that how your idea of how rational people should work? Ukraine tried to take Crimea back last year, and here we are so that proves that such effort is not effective, rational people would not need further proof. You're getting to a full propaganda mode, to the level of a 4th grader.

They will blow up military and economic objectives that really hurt
You think we're already at that stage where even loosing the whole power grid wouldn't hurt Ukraine economically Roll Eyes

Edit:
paxmao position within 3 days:
When Ukraine does it "So yes, a few meters here and there matter, which is the reason why Ukraine is still fighting for 50 meters at the time."
When Russia does it "The territorial gain has been... 50 meters? Another successful effort in "self-demilitarising" by Ruzzia."
Looks like you have completely given up on even any resemblance of objectivity?

I think is very clear: If you loose what seems to be above 100 tanks / vehicles in two days and advance 50 meters (quite different from what Ukraine is doing), you may want to reconsider your strategy, but hey look, go for it, keep on!

Keep you guessing what? Palestinians do not want to fight - Hamas is not "Palestinians", they did not even get a majority vote!! You put lost of people in a small space, cut water and food and bomb it. What is there to guess? Huh

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No, it is actually how people use logic, and is not 4th grade. They tried attacking the grid and Ukraine come out stronger, strategy is wrong.

I think everyone already knows you position on any movement of the front line, it can be summarized in: if Ukraine takes 50meteres they're grinding into Russian defenses and breaking Russia's back, whenever Russia takes 50meters they're suicidal because they suffered X losses and will run out of Y any minute now. But if you're going to make up numbers at least make them up for both sides so that your targeted audience can make a comparison and draw your intended conclusions. As taking 50meters is worth it even if you lost X if your opponent gave up 50 meters AND looses more than X. So at least claim that Russia gained 50meter while loosing 100.000 tanks WHILE Ukraine only suffered one minor injury to a trigger finger quickly fixed by a band-aid. Then at least people can properly compare based on your made up numbers.

As far as Palestinians surely even you must see the irony there, they were promised a two state solution with independent State of Palestine. How much is US/Europe/World really cared about their rights? Apparently even starvation of a city with a population of 2MM+ where around 50% is under 16yrs old is a fair game now Huh

But of course US really really cares about the state of democracy in Ukraine

Look, you often try to speak on behalf of "everyone" or try to somehow attack the messenger. You are just a little troll, you do not get to speak on behalf of "everyone" and if anyone bothers to read your walls of text will find that your arguments are mostly misleading, do not address the core of the question and seldom if ever provide any supporting arguments.

Ruzzia is throwing everything at Avdiivka and there is nothing to show for it. There is no way you text yourself out of that. There have at this point battalion size losses on three days. As said, go for it, keep at it, more meat please, the grinder is hot and working 110%.

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Quote from: paxmao on October 14, 2023, 04:48:33 AM

Quote from: be.open on October 13, 2023, 10:47:47 PM

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Quote from: suchmoon on October 13, 2023, 11:09:02 AM

Quote from: be.open on October 12, 2023, 02:43:57 PM

I think this is a distracting blow, but if Ukraine lost its dominant height in Avdeevka, this is a great success for Russia; this waste heap could not be taken for a year and a half.

Great success... from May 9 parade in Kyiv to capturing a pile of waste. Whoever is responsible for this great achievement probably needs to avoid airplanes - victorious Russian invaders have a habit of dying in plane crashes.

A Russian parade in Kyiv on May 9, 2022 would be a much greater success for Ukraine than its current situation. Grin

Ye olde narrative of "Ruzzia (Moscow) being better for Ukraine". Repeat it 1000 times and is still a fallacy like the first time.

No one is offering Ukraine to be with Russia; Russia doesn’t need such rotten friends. The point is that maintaining neutrality is much better for Ukraine than fighting with Russia.

Oh... that's new. I mean, not that you do not want them as "friends" - Ruzzia does not have "friends", what you spoke about is about overtaking Ukraine, changing the government to a puppet like uncle Luka, create two independent states...

And now you speak about neutrality. Ruzzia never wanted "neutrality", Moscow wanted a base in Sebastopol , buffer states a better link to Crimea... but certainly not "neutrality".

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Quote from: paxmao on October 11, 2023, 03:13:35 PM

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They probably would like to hire me, they probably cannot pay the price Grin

1. The Israelis are not cutting supplies for the "war effort". I leave to your imagination (wild mostly) why have they first put 2 million people in a space that can hold 500k, then limit their movement, control their food, their water, every aspect of their lives and, after the Hamas attack, cut essential life supplies - but I can tell you is not to achieve military objectives nor to diminish the "military production" of the Gaza strip.

2. The US army and NATO had plenty of military means to spare, if they were limited, they would not have given any priority to the grid for many reasons: (a) It is simply a infrastructure that easy to replace and repair and difficult to destroy beyond repair (particularly with the "precision" of the Ruzzian missiles). (b) Ukraine is too large for that strategy to be effective (c) the military production is mostly done outside Ukraine.

But you know, last winter they did it, and here we are so that proves is not effective, rational people would not need further proof.

For everything else you say, you are wrong. The Ukraine is not going to attack the RF grid with ATACAMS, as they are not doing so with Stormshadow, because they are not as stupid as the RF military and would rather not waste what they have. They will blow up military and economic objectives that really hurt - multi-million oil infrastructure, logistic hubs, we. They can see them thanks to "the gospel" from the sky and the massive infiltration behind Ruzzian lines. They are quite mad they cannot shot at them, but that's about to change.

The Article 5 would not stop Ruzzia from invading further Ukraine. So again, your solution of surrendering is not a solution, is a pause so that Ruzzia repairs the army a goes in the offensive again. You must think that people are stupid seriously - what a bunch of non-sense covered in a trillion words.

EDIT: Ruzzia has thrown plenty of troops in Avdiivka. I mean, thrown into a scrapyard literaly. Tens of BMPs an tanks in ashes (with their crews) in one day. The territorial gain has been... 50 meters? Another successful effort in "self-demilitarising" by Ruzzia.

https://youtu.be/emjwRD2nPqU?t=2674

Don't keep us guessing do tell why Israel cut power to Gaza? Are you implying that Israel is trying to reinforce the will of Palestinians? And is US helping Palestinians in their pursuit for freedom, shouldn't Nuland go to Gaza with some freedom cookies?

Ukraine confirms attack on electrical grid in Russia's Kursk region why didn't you tell them what you know about attacking power grids? I think they can afford you by printing as much as you ask

You went from general statement that attacking power grid is "(a) irrelevant to the war effort (b) proven to be inefficient (c) proven to reinforce the will of the people being attacked... zero military effectiveness" then when i provided evidence of other nations doing exactly the same thing, you changed it to: well, every country had its reasons to attack power grids except if that country start with a letter R, has two S's and ends with a letter A.

"But you know, last winter they did it, and here we are so that proves is not effective, rational people would not need further proof."
Oh is that how your idea of how rational people should work? Ukraine tried to take Crimea back last year, and here we are so that proves that such effort is not effective, rational people would not need further proof. You're getting to a full propaganda mode, to the level of a 4th grader.

They will blow up military and economic objectives that really hurt
You think we're already at that stage where even loosing the whole power grid wouldn't hurt Ukraine economically Roll Eyes

Edit:
paxmao position within 3 days:
When Ukraine does it "So yes, a few meters here and there matter, which is the reason why Ukraine is still fighting for 50 meters at the time."
When Russia does it "The territorial gain has been... 50 meters? Another successful effort in "self-demilitarising" by Ruzzia."
Looks like you have completely given up on even any resemblance of objectivity?

I think is very clear: If you loose what seems to be above 100 tanks / vehicles in two days and advance 50 meters (quite different from what Ukraine is doing), you may want to reconsider your strategy, but hey look, go for it, keep on!

Keep you guessing what? Palestinians do not want to fight - Hamas is not "Palestinians", they did not even get a majority vote!! You put lost of people in a small space, cut water and food and bomb it. What is there to guess? Huh

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No, it is actually how people use logic, and is not 4th grade. They tried attacking the grid and Ukraine come out stronger, strategy is wrong.

I think everyone already knows you position on any movement of the front line, it can be summarized in: if Ukraine takes 50meteres they're grinding into Russian defenses and breaking Russia's back, whenever Russia takes 50meters they're suicidal because they suffered X losses and will run out of Y any minute now. But if you're going to make up numbers at least make them up for both sides so that your targeted audience can make a comparison and draw your intended conclusions. As taking 50meters is worth it even if you lost X if your opponent gave up 50 meters AND looses more than X. So at least claim that Russia gained 50meter while loosing 100.000 tanks WHILE Ukraine only suffered one minor injury to a trigger finger quickly fixed by a band-aid. Then at least people can properly compare based on your made up numbers.

As far as Palestinians surely even you must see the irony there, they were promised a two state solution with independent State of Palestine. How much is US/Europe/World really cared about their rights? Apparently even starvation of a city with a population of 2MM+ where around 50% is under 16yrs old is a fair game now Huh

But of course US really really cares about the state of democracy in Ukraine

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The fierce resistance of the Ukrainians has beaten the Russians off the hill in Avdivka, and the gotten Ukraine in solid control of the chemical plant. Also, Russian progress on the South of the bottlneck has been halted by valiant resistance allowing the possibility for transport to support the city in spite of those bad bad Ruskies throwing everything they have at it. Yes, it's not a perfectly safe road, but the Ukrainians are super tough and can handle the transit issues.

There is a real possibility of keeping Avdivka if the Ukroids just put in a few more forces...then a few more...and a few more. It's like Artimosk (formerly Bakhmut), but in that case the Ukrainians just didn't quite do enough. If they don't make the same mistake in Avdivka the tide will turn and then it's just a couple of small hops to take back Crimea!

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Seriously, there is no way to explain the 10/1 loss ratio without the Ukrainian (((leadership))) itself being in on the plan. That's the only thing I can see that makes any sense to me militarily. As for the Russians, it will be interesting to see if they open up the new territories for blond hair'd blue eye'd 'Jewish' Israeli refugees who choose to evacuate from the promised (to be a hell-hole) lands.

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Quote from: paxmao on October 14, 2023, 04:48:33 AM

I think is very clear: If you loose what seems to be above 100 tanks / vehicles in two days and advance 50 meters (quite different from what Ukraine is doing), you may want to reconsider your strategy, but hey look, go for it, keep on!

That's the logic here. When Russia lose huge number of tanks, armoured vehicles and I'm not even talking about human power just in few days and advance by something like 50 metres, there is a reason for them to brag about it.
But when Ukraine advance by 50 metres in Southern direction, then it's failed counteroffensive.
And when I see whole colones of Russian tanks getting destroyed near to Avdiivka, it looks that Russia haven't learned anything since the beginning of war when we saw same things in Kyiv direction.

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I think this is a distracting blow, but if Ukraine lost its dominant height in Avdeevka, this is a great success for Russia; this waste heap could not be taken for a year and a half.

Great success... from May 9 parade in Kyiv to capturing a pile of waste. Whoever is responsible for this great achievement probably needs to avoid airplanes - victorious Russian invaders have a habit of dying in plane crashes.

A Russian parade in Kyiv on May 9, 2022 would be a much greater success for Ukraine than its current situation. Grin

Ye olde narrative of "Ruzzia (Moscow) being better for Ukraine". Repeat it 1000 times and is still a fallacy like the first time.

No one is offering Ukraine to be with Russia; Russia doesn’t need such rotten friends. The point is that maintaining neutrality is much better for Ukraine than fighting with Russia.

Oh... that's new. I mean, not that you do not want them as "friends" - Ruzzia does not have "friends", what you spoke about is about overtaking Ukraine, changing the government to a puppet like uncle Luka, create two independent states...

And now you speak about neutrality. Ruzzia never wanted "neutrality", Moscow wanted a base in Sebastopol , buffer states a better link to Crimea... but certainly not "neutrality".

Seriously? It seems that you are so passionate about fueling this armed conflict that you don’t even know the main condition for ending it. Neutrality, a constitutionally enshrined non-bloc status - this is what Russia needs from Ukraine.

Ahhh, so I am passionate about the conflict while you little Ruzzi Trolls just want peace? Like when you post...

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Do not expect that once you take advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements you signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper they are written on. Therefore, it is worth either playing fair with the Russians, or not playing at all.

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Yep, the deputies of the State Duma adopted in the third reading a law that they didn’t even read (they had less than an hour to get acquainted with the voluminous package of amendments). Grin

I think that in Russia in the foreseeable future there will be a second wave of partial mobilization, and for Ukraine this is bad news. There will be no peace talks, there is no one to negotiate with. Ukraine will suffer a military defeat.

Nice smile you have when others are sent to die... very "passionate".

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Meanwhile, there are rumors, which I can neither confirm nor deny, that as a result of one of the missile strikes, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny was eliminated. At least he hasn't appeared in public for about a month. Perhaps this is one of the reasons for the delay of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.

Well... you are clearly a pacifist, I will not bother to copy here all the "military" reports, the jokes about missiles hitting Ukraine and the chanting of "victories".

It happens the same with Putler..., there is a little "trust" issue you know? Is like if one gets the feeling that he is mostly bullshiting in any international declaration? .

I am just going to quote myself on this one:

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Examples: "I am not going to invade Ukraine". Then I declare that the bit of Ukraine I am going to invade is not Ukraine, thus all is as I said.
"This is just a military exercise in our border, it is just a coincidence that Ukraine is near", then the exercise becomes an attack.
"This is about the safety of Europe", and then I start a war in Europe.
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There have been two previous agreements with the Moscowians that have been broken. The story would be more like signing a neutrality agreement (which Ukraine does not have to, it is their right to choose not Putler's), but then, Ruzzia rearms and re-stocks, decides that Ukraine is not "neutral enough" and then ... another land grab.

By now, everyone has figured out that Putin wants to rebuild the USSR... but Kleptocrat style.

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